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Welfare Reform Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 13 October 2011, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Harris of Richmond. The answering member was Lord Freud.
Welfare Reform Bill. Lords committee stage fourth day. Clauses 8 to 10 agreed. Clause 11 under consideration.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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730 c483-534GC 
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2010-12
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Committee stage
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House of Lords Grand Committee
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Seventeenth report on: Armed Forces Bill; Welfare Reform Bill; Scotland Bill; Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill - Government response. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 13 July 2011
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 730 c532GC (Link to this contribution) Does that mean the Government are extending help with mortgage interest to people who are in full-ti...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c532GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister. This debate has had some extensions, which I have found par...

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Lord Freud | 730 c532GC (Link to this contribution) The support is time-limited for two years, so we have it within universal credit, albeit with these ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 730 c518-20GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Tyler, on moving her first amendment, following th...
Lord Freud | 730 c522-3GC (Link to this contribution) Let me clarify that. There was a decision in the spending review to move down from 80 per cent to 70...
Lord Wigley | 730 c521GC (Link to this contribution) I will not overegg this, but say that the second and third child are twins. There will be a ceiling ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c514GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I usually try to thank the Minister when he has responded to a debate. I am not quite sure...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c502GC (Link to this contribution) 30BAA: Clause 10, page 4, line 32, after ““is”” insert ““primarily””
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c499GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister may move onto this, in which case I apologise, but could he help me on a housing point?...
Bishop of Wakefield | 730 c491-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, should like to speak positively for these two amendments, Amendments 30A and 30B, ...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 730 c534GC (Link to this contribution) The Companion says Thursdays 2 pm to 6 pm for Grand Committees.
Baroness Wilkins | 730 c534GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do feel that we should stop now because the next group concerns a very large subject and...
Lord De Mauley | 730 c534GC (Link to this contribution) Very well. This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Tuesday at 3.30 pm.
Lord McAvoy | 730 c534GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not wish to be unhelpful either, but that is the guidance that I received. This is my...
Lord Rix | 730 c534GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the problem with our group of amendments—I wish to speak myself to Amendment 35 —that it i...
Lord De Mauley | 730 c534GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was aware that this would be an issue. I have applied for divine inspiration, but I do n...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c533-4GC (Link to this contribution) Forgive me, there are two separate amendments dealing specifically with the single room rate later. ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 730 c533GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for myself, I believe that the availability of suitable accommodation—in other words, the ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c533GC (Link to this contribution) No, this is not that subject; Amendment 34A refers to underoccupancy. I think the noble Lord is refe...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c532-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to put a question to the Committee. We are going into a major new topic, which is u...
Lord Skelmersdale | 730 c533GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 34A states, "““taking into account the availability of suitable accommodation””."
Lord Freud | 730 c532GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. Our analysis of this area tells us that people who own houses are highly incentivised to go bac...
Lord Freud | 730 c532GC (Link to this contribution) No. I am saying that we are leaving the rules as they currently are, because we will give support to...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 730 c532GC (Link to this contribution) That is what I thought. I apologise for pushing this. In other words, will there still be a distinct...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c530GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I tack some concern on to my noble friend’s amendment, given what we discussed earlier...
Lord Freud | 730 c530-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 33B is intended to ensure that help with mortgage interest will be available thr...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c531GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is really helpful. Can the Minister give us an assurance that we will not move to uni...
Lord Freud | 730 c531GC (Link to this contribution) Regrettably, my Lords, I cannot give that kind of assurance. My understanding is that the reconsider...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 730 c531-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said that help with mortgage interest would continue as now. I presume that h...
Lord Freud | 730 c527-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the intention behind these amendments is a laudable one—to provide an incentive for parent...
Lord Northbourne | 730 c528GC (Link to this contribution) After that delightful offer from the Minister, I shall obviously beg leave to withdraw the amendment...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c528GC (Link to this contribution) 33B: Clause 11, page 5, line 4, at end insert ““including mortgage interest payments””
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c528-30GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a probing amendment that concerns mortgage interest payments and I am indebted to ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 730 c524GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the Minister responded to my question about the impact of childcare on work ince...
Lord Freud | 730 c524GC (Link to this contribution) We are still working through those arrangements, but we are picking up the existing system as our ba...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c524GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for coming in slightly late on this. Will the Minister remind us whether there are any c...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 730 c527GC (Link to this contribution) I am usually very open to bribes. So is the Minister, who when offered a chocolate biscuit earlier n...
Lord Northbourne | 730 c527GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could explain to the noble Baroness that my plan was not to force people but to bribe them...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 730 c527GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think we would all endorse good parenting. I like to think, as I guess we all do, that w...
Lord Northbourne | 730 c525-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am going to change the bowling a little from childcare to the support of parents, enabli...
Lord Northbourne | 730 c525GC (Link to this contribution) 31B: Clause 10, page 4, line 34, at end insert— ““( ) Regulations may make provision for the inclusi...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 730 c525GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for explaining clearly the impact of the abolition of the 16-hour rule. It is v...
Lord Freud | 730 c524GC (Link to this contribution) No, there is not a different, hidden assessment. We have worked this through and on our figures we a...
Lord Freud | 730 c521-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am running out of fingers to count on. I am sure that I shall make some dreadful mistakes and comm...
Lord McAvoy | 730 c521GC (Link to this contribution) Would the same apply to triplets?
Lord Freud | 730 c524GC (Link to this contribution) I am pausing before answering that question. There were a huge number of factors involved as we redi...
Baroness Sherlock | 730 c523-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister very much for that information. To press this point, as he will appreciate, the...
Lord Freud | 730 c524GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. That was another question that my noble friend asked. The effect of these changes come in with ...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c524GC (Link to this contribution) Am I correct in assuming that the £300 million comes onstream only when universal credit is introduc...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 730 c522GC (Link to this contribution) If I have understood the Minister correctly, had it been 80 per cent rather than 70 per cent, that w...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 730 c522GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, more. So the drop from 80 per cent to 70 per cent is, in a sense, being paid for by the people ...
Lord Freud | 730 c521GC (Link to this contribution) I confess that I do not think we have elaborated to that level. We are in the position where we have...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 730 c514GC (Link to this contribution) 30BB: Clause 10, page 4, line 32, at end insert— ““( ) In calculating the amount included for each c...
Baroness Sherlock | 730 c518GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall follow up the questions raised by the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope. I sho...
Lord Wigley | 730 c517GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I concur entirely with the noble Baroness who has moved the amendment that it is the inten...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 730 c516-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. As a matter of fact, I have received a note from the TUC on this ...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 730 c515-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 30BB I should explain that this is the first time that I have moved an...
Lord Freud | 730 c521GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I am answering this right and that I have not missed some subtle point, but if there are...
Lord Wigley | 730 c521GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister assure us that circumstances where there are twins, when costs are surprisingly hi...
Lord Freud | 730 c520-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their amendments, which raise several important points about how w...
Lord De Mauley | 730 c514GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suggest that this would be an appropriate moment to have a break and that we reconvene a...
Lord Freud | 730 c512GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the direction of travel is the one that my noble friend Lord Newton was indicating. It is ...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 730 c512GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may intervene at this point to say that we know that the reality of the situatio...
Earl of Listowel | 730 c513GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for this opportunity to put a brief question to him. I share the conc...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 730 c512GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may intervene briefly. I know that I am upsetting the people who thought that I was their ...
Lord Freud | 730 c513GC (Link to this contribution) As noble Lords will know, I am not in a position to make those kinds of specific commitments, as I t...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c513GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister also ensure that the current expenditure on the severe disability premium, which c...
Lord Freud | 730 c514GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our direction of travel here is towards far more specific assessment because one can be ca...
Baroness Sherlock | 730 c513-4GC (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend rises to speak, can the Minister provide some clarification on something he j...
Baroness Wilkins | 730 c508GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, noble Lords have explained the situation more than adequately. It seems extraordinary, sin...
Baroness Hollins | 730 c508GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to add briefly to the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, about the additional...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 730 c508-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 50, to which my name is also attached. The amendment has alread...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 730 c509-10GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I sought to intervene earlier and I shall do so only briefly in a way that the Minister mi...
Lord Rix | 730 c507GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot for the life of me think why I did not add my name to as many of these amendments...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 730 c507GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, has spoken very movingly from personal experience. I think th...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 730 c507-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for a number of years I was the chairman of my party’s disability group. I think I know tw...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c511GC (Link to this contribution) I am not sure if I follow that. Are we saying that over the transitional period the child rate may b...
Lord Freud | 730 c510GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is great knowledge in this Room about this issue. I am grateful for the deeply thoug...
Lord Freud | 730 c511-2GC (Link to this contribution) In practice, the difference between what we are proposing and the child tax credit rate is not very ...
Lord Freud | 730 c501GC (Link to this contribution) I suggest to the noble Lord that we might discuss that issue when we come to it, when it will have t...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c501GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that response, particularly on that last point. For my m...
Lord Freud | 730 c501GC (Link to this contribution) We are not taking this area lightly. Iain Duncan Smith has set up a Cabinet committee for social jus...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c501GC (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord help me on one further point on research, which is what the noble Lord’s amendmen...
Lord Freud | 730 c500GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is easier to go back to what the noble Lord, Lord McAvoy, said. Healthy living is tied ...
Earl of Listowel | 730 c500GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. I know that he is concerned about the immediate, fearf...
Lord Wigley | 730 c506GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at Second Reading I had an opportunity to refer to my and my wife’s personal circumstances...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 730 c504-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 32 in this group, which seeks to add children on the middle-rat...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c502-4GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to our other amendments in the group, Amendments 30C, 31A and 33A and will commen...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c497GC (Link to this contribution) —or buy a washing machine. However, the grinding awfulness of poverty, week in, week out, should and...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c497GC (Link to this contribution) It would be a first. There is a real point here, particularly because universal credit has to cover ...
Lord Freud | 730 c497-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in recent years there has been growing interest in minimum income standards and a belief t...
Lord Freud | 730 c499-500GC (Link to this contribution) CPI currently has a much lower measure for housing. I will respond to her question—which I was about...
Lord Freud | 730 c500GC (Link to this contribution) The safest thing I can say is that if I can do that in a straightforward way, I will. With those ass...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c500GC (Link to this contribution) Given that generous offer, would he be kind enough to include in his reply the figures that would ha...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 730 c500GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I may have misheard the Minister, and I apologise to him if I did, but did he say that he ...
Lord McAvoy | 730 c491GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 30B, spoken to by the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood of Kirk...
Baroness Sherlock | 730 c487-90GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is also on Amendment 30A and I support it. The amendment simply requires the Gover...
Earl of Listowel | 730 c490-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support both amendments. I shall concentrate on the issue of the isolation of parents in...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 730 c495GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask a simple question of the Minister, following my noble friend’s powerful ...
Lord Northbourne | 730 c494-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to delay the Committee for only two minutes by quoting from Supporting Famil...
Baroness Hollins | 730 c494GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my support to these amendments—in particular, Amendment 30B. I think I am right in s...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 730 c493-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the amendments in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, and my no...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c496-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am conscious that I have not spoken to our three amendments in the group, although the s...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 730 c495-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this debate seems to have drifted into the area of wages. As we all know, the previous Gov...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c484GC (Link to this contribution) We could do it one of two ways: either degroup into lots of little groups, or, in some respects—and ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 730 c484GC (Link to this contribution) Order. The question has not been put yet.
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c484GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed. If the Minister was able to say that a succinct, formal response from the Government to each...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c483GC (Link to this contribution) 30A: Clause 8, page 4, line 21, at end insert— ““( ) The maximum amount to be awarded in each compon...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c483-4GC (Link to this contribution) In advance of formally moving the amendment, it might be for the convenience of the Committee to pau...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 730 c484GC (Link to this contribution) I was just trying to be helpful, and give our point of view. Whether it is a bigger group or series ...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c484-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am formally moving Amendment 30A and speaking to Amendment 30B, both of which stand in my name. I ...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c484GC (Link to this contribution) I moved the amendment. I am not making this argument in anticipation of these amendments, but this g...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 730 c483GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for my late appearance; the lift would not come. If there is a Division in th...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 730 c517GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak to Amendment 51, which is in my name. I concur with my noble friend Lady Tyler: th...
Subjects
Disability
Disability living allowance
Childcare
Carers
Costs
Arrears
Housing benefit
Jobseeker's allowance
Income support
Housing
Health
Families
Income
Learning disability
Low incomes
Poverty
Mortgages
Nutrition
Lone parents
Pregnancy
Welfare tax credits
Young people
Research
Consumer prices index
Employment and support allowance
Universal credit
Severe disability premium
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