Government of Wales Bill. Committee stage second day. Clauses 94-102 agreed to. Schedule 6 agreed to. Clause 103 under consideration.
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Government of Wales Bill . Explanatory Notes Bill 100-EN also published.
Thursday, 8 December 2005
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Thursday, 8 December 2005
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Better governance for Wales. Welsh Affairs Select Committee first report with proceedings, evidence (HC 551 i-iv not printed separately) and appendices.
Tuesday, 29 November 2005
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Tuesday, 29 November 2005
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Better governance for Wales. Welsh Affairs Select committee third special report - government response to the Committee's first report of session 2005/06 (HC 551).
Thursday, 19 January 2006
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Thursday, 19 January 2006
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Proceeding contributions
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1361 (Link to this contribution)
Is the Minister saying that paragraph (b) about water resources was in the 1998 Act?
Nick Ainger | 441 c1361-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am assured that that is the case. Perhaps that will lower the temperature of the debate so that we...
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Lord Deben | 441 c1360 (Link to this contribution)
It is for the Government to name him or her. I suspect that somebody came out of the woodwork one da...
David Jones | 441 c1361 (Link to this contribution)
I am concerned about clause 100(1)(c). As my hon. Friend the Member for Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale an...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1361 (Link to this contribution)
The measures set out in subsection (1) replicate schedule 3, paragraph 6 of the Government of Wales ...
Jenny Willott | 441 c1358 (Link to this contribution)
I was actually asking a question, not stating a fact. The hon. Gentleman has not answered my questio...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1358 (Link to this contribution)
While I am at it, I shall quote the Conservative leader in Wales. He said:"““I find this clause odd....
Lord Deben | 441 c1359-60 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Meirionnydd Nant Conwy (Mr. Llwyd) has understated his case. The three amendment...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1326-8 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the Committee that with this we are discussing the following: Amendment No. 154, in page 51...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1328 (Link to this contribution)
Sir Alan, as I was saying only at 10 o’clock last night—
Chris Ruane | 441 c1328 (Link to this contribution)
It seems like only yesterday.
Nick Ainger | 441 c1328-9 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed it does. We were discussing the group of amendments beginning with No. 180, and I was talking...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1329 (Link to this contribution)
Who would be doing the amending, and in what setting?
Nick Ainger | 441 c1329-30 (Link to this contribution)
Let me continue to go through the process.
The Secretary of State would forward the proposed Order ...
Roger Williams | 441 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
Has the Minister made any assessment of how many Orders in Council might have been brought forward i...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
It is difficult to give a totally accurate prediction of how many Orders in Council will come throug...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1333-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for the way in which he has presented the Government’s case, both yesterday and...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1344 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 28, in clause 95, page 52, line 11, after ‘Counsel General’, insert ‘or ...
David TC Davies | 441 c1333 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate that the Minister is attempting to reassure us that the Secretary of State would never ...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1333 (Link to this contribution)
The political reality is that if the Secretary of State’s reasons were weak or unconvincing, he woul...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1332 (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the Under-Secretary says, but the only reference in the White Paper to the Secretary of ...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution)
Pre-legislative scrutiny might have failed to tease out an issue relating to whether the Measure fit...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1331 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that I may not have spent as much time on this as I should have, in the hope that we would...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1331-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure whether the hon. Member for Chesham and Amersham (Mrs. Gillan) gave the hon. Gentleman...
Alan Williams | 441 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
Would the Minister support such an application?
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
The Counsel-General may be a Member of the Assembly, but then again he may not. The option is open. ...
David TC Davies | 441 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
No, I cannot. I was intervening on the Minister.
Lord Deben | 441 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
Could we have a clear explanation of this, for another reason? I am rather minded to support the ame...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1346-7 (Link to this contribution)
Mr. Benton, I welcome you to the Chair. Clause 95 gives a specific power to the Counsel-General and ...
Lord Deben | 441 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
Would the Counsel-General be required to give advice to the Assembly? In other words, if the Assembl...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
I assume, bearing in mind that the Counsel-General is a member of the Welsh Assembly Government, tha...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1344 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 29, in clause 98, page 53, ...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1344-5 (Link to this contribution)
The amendments would enable not just the Counsel-General and the Attorney-General but the Assembly i...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1345-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am not minded to support the amendment, but it raises a pertinent issue. It might be helpful if th...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the hon. Gentleman said that this is a probing amendment, because if accepted it woul...
David Mundell | 441 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 188, in page 52, line 11, leave out ‘may’ and insert ‘must’.
This is a ...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that response. We welcome the creation of the post and, given his reassuran...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1347-8 (Link to this contribution)
It was a long intervention, but not that long. I think that it was an intervention rather than a spe...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
They might do so some day.
David TC Davies | 441 c1349-50 (Link to this contribution)
I offer my support for the amendment. It would appear to be anomalous that Assembly Committees canno...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 30, in page 52, line 21, at end insert
David Mundell | 441 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
I am disappointed that we did not get an example, or a definition of the criteria that would cause t...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
It may assist Opposition Members if I say that I agree that it may in some circumstances be appropri...
David TC Davies | 441 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend—if I may call him that—says that they may do so in the future, and I suggest that we ...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 170, in page 53, line 5, leave out subsection (2).
Lord Deben | 441 c1351 (Link to this contribution)
Can my hon. Friend imagine a circumstance in which the House decided that it was suitable for the We...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1350-1 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 97 will regulate proceedings on proposed Assembly Measures. Subsection (1) provides that ther...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1352 (Link to this contribution)
I support amendment No. 174. The hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve) is on to a good point. I ...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1351-2 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my right hon. Friend and cannot imagine such a circumstance. The process under part 3 t...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1352 (Link to this contribution)
I regret that I failed to speak to amendment No. 174, but the hon. Gentleman gives me the opportunit...
David TC Davies | 441 c1352-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to agree entirely with my right hon. Friend, but sometimes things can go too far. For exa...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
Subsection (2) states:"““Subsection (1) does not prevent the standing orders making provision to ena...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
Given that the Minister is unable to give an example, apart from animal health, why not leave it to ...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point, but there may well be a need for the Assembly to take advan...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1353-4 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the force of what the Minister says, but the difficulty is that the expression ““Assemb...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1353 (Link to this contribution)
This has been an interesting and, hopefully, brief debate. Clause 97(2) enables the Assembly, in its...
Lord Deben | 441 c1353 (Link to this contribution)
We can find the absurd in many such situations. It is the very nature of a law, although I do not kn...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
For clarification, I was still addressing my remarks to amendment No. 170. I had not moved on to ame...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that the Minister had addressed that amendment. I will hold my fire.
Nick Ainger | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
I am not there yet.
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
I am talking about subsection (5), which is the subject of amendment No. 174. It states:"““The stand...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1355-6 (Link to this contribution)
Short debates can often be the most interesting. The Minister has persuaded me completely—indeed, I ...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
All I can say to the hon. Gentleman on that point is that both he and the hon. Member for Meirionnyd...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1356 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 158, in page 54, line 41, l...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1356 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 125, in page 54, line 39, leave out paragraph (a).
Peter Bone | 441 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
On subsection (2), the Minister said that the provision will be used rarely. Will he give a rough fi...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
At the risk of being pernickety, the wording of subsection (5), and the use of the expression"““the ...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution)
I would imagine that it would not happen every year. It would be a rare occurrence, for something li...
Jenny Willott | 441 c1357-8 (Link to this contribution)
My reading of the clause is that it applies only to Measures proposed by the Assembly, so the paragr...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1356-7 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to amendments Nos. 125, 158 and 126, which stand in my name and that of my hon. Frie...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1358 (Link to this contribution)
By all means. If the Assembly of its own volition, through one of its Measures, wished to signal tha...
David TC Davies | 441 c1381 (Link to this contribution)
I would be happy to see another referendum that included that question, but that is my preference, n...
Roger Williams | 441 c1380 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the option of full primary legislative powers was never offered ...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1384 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to receive it because fortunately I am not running for the leadership of the Liberal Demo...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1383-4 (Link to this contribution)
We have had an interesting debate, which has gone on longer than I anticipated because of the signif...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1384 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for her support. I have had a lot on my mind recently, and I give her my unequ...
Alan Williams | 441 c1382 (Link to this contribution)
I am impressed that the Secretary of State finds distasteful what we find so distasteful. In that ca...
Lord Hain | 441 c1382-3 (Link to this contribution)
For the reasons that I am about to explain to my right hon. Friend and the House.
The amendments ar...
David TC Davies | 441 c1381 (Link to this contribution)
Time is short and I shall not go over my views again and again. Suffice it to say that I have not ch...
Lord Hain | 441 c1381-2 (Link to this contribution)
We have had some interesting contributions, and some tantalising bait was dangled before me by the r...
Adam Price | 441 c1388 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 31, in page 56, line 25, at end insert—
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1388 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment No. 194, in schedule 6, page 112, line 32, at e...
Adam Price | 441 c1388-9 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 131 seeks to give the National Assembly for Wales the right and responsibility of sett...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1389 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making a powerful point, and I fully agree with him. Let me take him back a few se...
Lord Hain | 441 c1390-1 (Link to this contribution)
Despite the honourable and valiant attempt of the hon. Member for Chesham and Amersham (Mrs. Gillan)...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1391 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State appears to have a crystal ball that is not available to the rest of us. He ha...
Alex Salmond | 441 c1389-90 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman knows, the Arbuthnot commission, appointed by the Secretary of State for Scotl...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1390 (Link to this contribution)
My amendment No. 194 is straightforward, so I shall not detain the Committee for long. The amendment...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1373 (Link to this contribution)
I feel that I am almost negotiating with the Conservatives on this issue. If the hon. Gentleman is s...
Dominic Grieve | 441 c1373 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman keeps on making comparisons with Northern Ireland legislation, but unless I am mi...
Hywel Francis | 441 c1373-4 (Link to this contribution)
The amendments tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd, South (Mr. Jones) and I arise out of r...
Philip Hollobone | 441 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening carefully to what the hon. Gentleman has to say, but is it not possible that his envi...
Hywel Francis | 441 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the hon. Gentleman says and I have noted it. I may deal with it in a moment, through the...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1374 (Link to this contribution)
I shall resist intervening frequently on the hon. Gentleman, but I simply want to ask him this. Woul...
Hywel Francis | 441 c1374 (Link to this contribution)
We are discussing Wales, not Northern Ireland, which is another matter.
My Committee highlighted th...
Lord Deben | 441 c1375-6 (Link to this contribution)
Not for the first time, I found the most surprising intervention in a debate to be one from a Libera...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1376 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman has described my feelings about being in the Liberal Democrats over the pas...
Adam Price | 441 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that, in addition to repeated capricious requests for referendums,...
Hywel Francis | 441 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, and that is a very important point. Those of us who experienced the wait to which the hon. G...
Lord Deben | 441 c1376 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman’s use of words allows me to explain my deep opposition to all referendums. When P...
Roger Williams | 441 c1376 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman will accept that the Liberal Democrats, and various other parties, have alw...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1376 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is going back to 1922.
Lord Deben | 441 c1376-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman says that I am going back to 1922, but that is how far one has to go back to find...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1377 (Link to this contribution)
This speech is longer than his.
Lord Deben | 441 c1378-9 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure for me to say that the observations of the Father of the House contain a very impor...
Dai Havard | 441 c1379 (Link to this contribution)
I have a particular view on referendums. I have some sympathy with the right hon. Member for Suffolk...
Adam Price | 441 c1380 (Link to this contribution)
The full quote from Gramsci referred not just to the pessimism of the intellect but to the optimism ...
Dai Havard | 441 c1380 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I can help the hon. Gentleman. It will not happen very often, but perhaps on this occasion I...
David TC Davies | 441 c1380 (Link to this contribution)
I was one of the people who was involved in that last referendum, very much on the ““anti”” side. It...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1400 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 110, in clause 103, page 57, line 13, leave out subsection (3) and inser...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1400 (Link to this contribution)
I do not wish to continue this discussion, but it does appear that the Labour party thinks that genu...
David TC Davies | 441 c1399-400 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure whether I should declare an interest at this point. However, I remind the Committee th...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1399 (Link to this contribution)
It is not opportunistic to vote against the Government on matters of principle and of great importan...
Lord Hain | 441 c1399 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful that the hon. Gentleman has taken this intervention, but I have to say that in recent ...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1399 (Link to this contribution)
I must say that I take offence at the Secretary of State’s comments about the possibility of the Opp...
Lord Hain | 441 c1398-9 (Link to this contribution)
May I say to the hon. Member for Caernarfon (Hywel Williams) that he and I agree, and our parties ag...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1398 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to leave the question whether to hold a referendum to the good sense of the Assembly Memb...
Mark Tami | 441 c1398 (Link to this contribution)
Clearly, under his proposal there could be a narrow majority, perhaps of only one. That would be a d...
Hywel Williams | 441 c1398 (Link to this contribution)
I shall resist the temptation and note only that the 40 per cent. threshold then imposed was widely ...
David TC Davies | 441 c1395 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Hain | 441 c1395 (Link to this contribution)
I very much enjoyed hearing the hon. Member for Carmarthen, East and Dinefwr (Adam Price) quote my w...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1394-5 (Link to this contribution)
In reality, we are considering three groups of amendments. Amendment No. 157, tabled by the hon. Mem...
Hywel Francis | 441 c1393-4 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 186, in my name and that of my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd, South (Mr. Jones), wo...
Lord Hain | 441 c1395 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but no. I want to make some progress, so I cannot give way to the hon. Gentleman, who is...
Lord Hain | 441 c1391 (Link to this contribution)
I will not rise to that accusation. All I am saying is that the issue before the people of Wales sho...
Adam Price | 441 c1392-3 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments Nos. 156 and 157 would remove the absolute veto enjoyed by the other place over the Order...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1391-2 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 157, in clause 102, page 56...
Adam Price | 441 c1391 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 156, in page 56, line 28, after ‘Council’, insert ‘(a)’.
Adam Price | 441 c1391 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry that the Secretary of State believes that Parliament is in charge and not the Welsh peopl...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1397 (Link to this contribution)
That is fine. We can proceed as I suggested.
Hywel Francis | 441 c1397 (Link to this contribution)
No, I was not.
Hywel Williams | 441 c1397 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 32, in page 57, line 7, leave out from ‘which’ to end of line 9 and inse...
Lord Hain | 441 c1395-6 (Link to this contribution)
We are not debating the merits or otherwise of a second Chamber. To be fair, the House of Lords has ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1395 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State will doubtless reflect on the view of Lord Richard, who said in giving eviden...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1396 (Link to this contribution)
We now come to clause 102 stand part—
Adam Price | 441 c1396 (Link to this contribution)
It is a shame that the Secretary of State believes that he can use the Bill to impose a constitution...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1397 (Link to this contribution)
That amendment is in this group, but this is not the appropriate time to deal with it. Was the hon. ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1367 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 184, in clause 102, page 56...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1367 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 189, in clause 102, page 56, line 24, leave out subsection (3).
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1367 (Link to this contribution)
We move on to part 4 of the Bill. In the spirit of the welcome that I accord to this section of the ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1364 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps unsurprisingly, I am far from satisfied. The Minister has not assisted us very much on amend...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1364 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1364 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman wish to withdraw amendment No. 125?
Lembit Opik | 441 c1363 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Nick Ainger | 441 c1363 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, but I hope that he is going to make a sensible intervention.
Nick Ainger | 441 c1363-4 (Link to this contribution)
This will really enlighten the Committee. The reason that the word ““effect”” is used is because it ...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1372-3 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady says that I am making a false equation between the two situations, and that I do not f...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1372 (Link to this contribution)
To equate Northern Ireland with Wales or Scotland is to misunderstand the situation entirely. I have...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1372 (Link to this contribution)
I will; just let me finish this point. Obviously, I am willing to hear any clarification that the ho...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1372 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lembit Opik | 441 c1371-2 (Link to this contribution)
The only reason why my example may seem unfair to the hon. Gentleman is that it utterly contradicts ...
David TC Davies | 441 c1371 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman will be aware, I was not in the House at that time—but surely he recognises th...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1371 (Link to this contribution)
I have considerable issues with amendment No. 189, and I suspect that, on reflection, those on the C...
Alan Williams | 441 c1369-71 (Link to this contribution)
We can go forward, but we cannot go back. That is astonishing. It is a somewhat interesting perspect...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1369 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. Cannot one argue that there is a presumption in...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1367-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman. I would like to give the Secretary of State the benefit of the doubt, an...
Alan Williams | 441 c1369 (Link to this contribution)
I share the embarrassment of the hon. Member for Chesham and Amersham (Mrs. Gillan) at finding that ...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1362 (Link to this contribution)
Let us examine the hypothetical case that the hon. Gentleman has raised, in which the Assembly said ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 441 c1362 (Link to this contribution)
May I take the Minister back to clause 100(1)(b), which deals with water resources? What would happe...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1363 (Link to this contribution)
No, I cannot. We are trying to scrutinise a very large Bill, and I think that we are now moving into...
David Jones | 441 c1362-3 (Link to this contribution)
I note that the word ““effect”” is used in clause 100(1)(a) and (c), while the word ““impact”” is us...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1362 (Link to this contribution)
We are starting to get into the realms of fantasy now. This provision has been on the statute book s...
Lord Deben | 441 c1362 (Link to this contribution)
I ask the Minister to look again at his explanation of clause 100(1)(b). It seems clear to me that t...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1401 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I am not as familiar with the intricacies of Scottish politics as my hon. Friend, s...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1402 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Perhaps we can resume debate on amendment No. 110.
David TC Davies | 441 c1401 (Link to this contribution)
May I remind the hon. Gentleman that there are some honourable exceptions to the rule of Conservativ...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1401 (Link to this contribution)
I would like a first-past-the-post voting system with 40 constituencies in Wales represented by two ...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1401 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman. Will he tell the Committee which voting system he pr...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1401 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment proposes consultation. If primary powers are allocated to the Assembly following a ref...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1401 (Link to this contribution)
That is very clear. Why has the hon. Gentleman restricted his amendment so that it allows considerat...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1402 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to my hon. Friend.
Mark Tami | 441 c1402 (Link to this contribution)
Like my hon. Friend, I support the introduction of the first-past-the-post system. Perhaps those who...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 441 c1402-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is 18 years ago almost to the day when I was squeezed into such a debate, with two and a half min...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1402 (Link to this contribution)
I did consider the length of time, because the amendment stipulates a length of time. However, it is...
Cheryl Gillan | 441 c1402 (Link to this contribution)
I have read the hon. Gentleman’s amendment carefully. Has he given any consideration to the length o...
Ian Lucas | 441 c1402 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. My hon. Friend makes a powerful point. It is for that reason that I suggested a consultation...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 441 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 172, in page 53, line 11, a...
Adam Price | 441 c1390 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has made another excellent point. The Government do not have a very good record o...
Lord Deben | 441 c1376 (Link to this contribution)
I have various problems with that observation. First, it is not true that the Liberal Democrats have...
Dai Havard | 441 c1396-7 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mrs. Heal. As I understand it, my hon. Friend the Member for Aberavon (Dr. Fran...
David Mundell | 441 c1360-1 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend the Member for Suffolk, Coastal (Mr. Gummer) raised a number of interesting iss...
Lord Deben | 441 c1352 (Link to this contribution)
I owe a filial duty to my Welsh-speaking father to support amendment No. 174 and the need for biling...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1381 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman wrote on 30 June 2005:"““The Government are in the process of giving extra powers...
Adam Price | 441 c1389 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, my hon. Friend has made a strong point, which constitutes a trenchant criticism of the gove...
David Leslie Taylor | 441 c1401 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not the case that the number of Scottish Members of Parliament was reduced not primarily becau...
Nick Ainger | 441 c1330-1 (Link to this contribution)
I would have no problem with that. In addition, there is nothing to prevent a report by the Welsh Af...
Lembit Opik | 441 c1363 (Link to this contribution)
I only make sensible interventions. I have been listening very closely to the arguments put forward ...
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