Westminster Hall adjournment debate on the operation of the single farm payment.
Single Payment Scheme
Adjournment debate on Wednesday, 29 March 2006,
in the House of Commons,
led by Baroness McIntosh of Pickering.
The answering
member was Ben Bradshaw.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
444 c281-306WH 
Session
2005-06
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Proceeding contributions
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c306WH (Link to this contribution)
: One of the things that we and the new chief executive of the RPA are absolutely not going to do is...
Peter Ainsworth | 444 c306WH (Link to this contribution)
: How confident is the Minister that all payments will be made by the June deadline?
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Ben Bradshaw | 444 c305WH (Link to this contribution)
: They seem to be common sense to me, as well. That is why what I said what I did about the abilitie...
Peter Ainsworth | 444 c305WH (Link to this contribution)
: Will the Minister give way?
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c305-6WH (Link to this contribution)
: No, I will not. I have only four minutes left to cover a great many questions, and I would rather ...
Mark Todd | 444 c305WH (Link to this contribution)
: As someone who ran a major processing operation, I am startled that those seem earth-shattering st...
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c305WH (Link to this contribution)
: I want to get to the end of my list, and then I will give way to my hon. Friend. I still have a lo...
Mark Todd | 444 c305WH (Link to this contribution)
: Will the Minister give way?
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c304-5WH (Link to this contribution)
: I will come to the mapping system in a moment. If the hon. Lady is asking about the immediate revi...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c304WH (Link to this contribution)
: Why was a DEFRA official appointed to such a sensitive position to carry out the review? Will the ...
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c303-4WH (Link to this contribution)
: The reason, as I understand it, was that although the payments had begun, the speed of the payment...
Viscount Hailsham | 444 c303WH (Link to this contribution)
: Will the Minister tell the Chamber what reasons Mr. Johnston McNeill gave for that shortcoming?
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c303WH (Link to this contribution)
: I shall come to that point in a little while, but my noble Friend has already responded to that po...
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c302WH (Link to this contribution)
: I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman because he is the Chairman of the Select Committee on ...
Michael Jack | 444 c303WH (Link to this contribution)
: I am grateful to the Minister. In the light of what he has heard, and his opening remarks, does he...
Michael Jack | 444 c302WH (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Roger Williams | 444 c300WH (Link to this contribution)
: No, the hon. Gentleman did not. However, it seems that many chartered surveyors will have made a l...
Mark Todd | 444 c300WH (Link to this contribution)
: I didn't do it.
Geoffrey Cox | 444 c301WH (Link to this contribution)
I, too, declare an interest as a receiver of payments.
Does my hon. Friend agree that there is a cr...
Peter Ainsworth | 444 c300-1WH (Link to this contribution)
I shall try be brief because the Minister has a large number of questions to answer. I know that he ...
Paddy Tipping | 444 c301WH (Link to this contribution)
: It is essential to have a repair programme. Might not interim payments delay final payments? Shoul...
Peter Ainsworth | 444 c301WH (Link to this contribution)
: My hon. Friend makes an extremely good point, and asks an important question. I hope that the Mini...
Ben Bradshaw | 444 c302WH (Link to this contribution)
: This has been a good, serious and constructive debate, and I will endeavour to cover as many of th...
Peter Ainsworth | 444 c301-2WH (Link to this contribution)
: The Secretary of State made that point earlier in the week. If there are genuine problems of that ...
Roger Williams | 444 c300WH (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman makes the point that even Members of Parliament are now in the scheme. It is ce...
Mark Todd | 444 c299-300WH (Link to this contribution)
: I have two hectares of land, and I have been urged by local farmers to make a claim. I have chosen...
Roger Williams | 444 c299WH (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. I am sometimes told that the money is drawn from the EU as ...
Philip Hollobone | 444 c299WH (Link to this contribution)
: Given that the EU has given the Government funding for the scheme, interest is accumulating on tha...
Roger Williams | 444 c298-9WH (Link to this contribution)
: I thank my hon. Friend for raising that point. We were told that there was regular communication b...
Dan Rogerson | 444 c298WH (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend and to the hon. Member for North-West Leicestershire for serving as ...
Roger Williams | 444 c298WH (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. I was about to say that the contract was given to Accenture...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c281-2WH (Link to this contribution)
Welcome to the Chair, Mr. Benton; it is a privilege to appear before you this afternoon.
I am delig...
Viscount Hailsham | 444 c282WH (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that one of the most astonishing things for those of us who have served i...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c282WH (Link to this contribution)
: I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend for that powerful and eloquent contribution. One...
Lord McLoughlin | 444 c282WH (Link to this contribution)
The situation is slightly worse than my hon. Friend has just explained. The Government were warned b...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c282WH (Link to this contribution)
: I could not have put that more eloquently myself. We are fortunate in having the Select Committee ...
Lord Beith | 444 c283WH (Link to this contribution)
The factor that should have loomed large in the Secretary of State's mind was that she had chosen to...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c282WH (Link to this contribution)
: I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, and the House is grateful for the Select Committee's excell...
Michael Jack | 444 c282WH (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend also note that an earlier report of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Comm...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c283WH (Link to this contribution)
: I hope that my hon. Friend receives that answer this afternoon.
David Leslie Taylor | 444 c283WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Brecon and Radnorshire (Mr. Williams) and I had the pleasure of being the rappor...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c283WH (Link to this contribution)
: I agree entirely with the right hon. Gentleman. I hope that he will support our call for Lord Bach...
Baroness Browning | 444 c283WH (Link to this contribution)
Before the Secretary of State sacked the chief executive, I had tabled named-day questions asking ho...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c283WH (Link to this contribution)
: The only issue that I would raise with the hon. Gentleman is that the Government seem to be develo...
Lindsay Hoyle | 444 c283WH (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for being generous with her time. The chief executive has rightly gone. The co...
Tony Baldry | 444 c284WH (Link to this contribution)
Ministers have given, as recently as this week, an undertaking in the House that payments would be m...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c284WH (Link to this contribution)
: I endorse what my hon. Friend said. To my knowledge, not one farmer in the Vale of York or North Y...
Lord Wills | 444 c284WH (Link to this contribution)
I grateful that the hon. Lady has been incredibly courteous in giving way so often.I do not want to ...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c284WH (Link to this contribution)
: I hope that the hon. Gentleman will support my argument that the people involved do not have a sen...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c283-4WH (Link to this contribution)
: I am sure that the Minister is better placed to comment on that particular aspect.
May I also dra...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c285WH (Link to this contribution)
: My understanding of the legal position is that that will not be necessary and that the situation i...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 444 c284-5WH (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that there is an absolute bottom line that we need to achieve from this de...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c285WH (Link to this contribution)
: There is a catalogue of errors and misunderstandings, spanning a considerable time, leading up to ...
Philip Hollobone | 444 c285WH (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept the point made by Mrs. Rosemary Eady, a farmer in my constituency, who wr...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c286WH (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman has rightly identified why the scheme is so complicated. Our constituents would...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c285-6WH (Link to this contribution)
: Those developments were against the background of a new scheme that was meant to be simpler and ea...
David Drew | 444 c286WH (Link to this contribution)
With the benefit of hindsight, everyone would say that the hybrid payments were a dreadful mistake, ...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c285WH (Link to this contribution)
: I await with bated breath the Minister's response to that intervention.
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c286WH (Link to this contribution)
: Indeed—my right hon. and learned Friend pre-empts my concluding remarks.
As one farmer told me, t...
John Hayes | 444 c286WH (Link to this contribution)
For all its faults, the old IACS system at least allowed for a margin of error and for the Governmen...
Viscount Hailsham | 444 c286WH (Link to this contribution)
: That could be readily cured by a payment of interim payments.
Speaker | 444 c288WH (Link to this contribution)
Before I call the next speaker, I shall take the opportunity of reminding right hon. and hon. Member...
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 444 c286-8WH (Link to this contribution)
: I would go further and add that the Minister and the Government need to accept ministerial respons...
David Drew | 444 c288WH (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief because I have rehearsed the two points that I want to make.
This has been a disas...
Paddy Tipping | 444 c288-9WH (Link to this contribution)
The mid-term review and further changes in the common agricultural policy will inevitably mean new a...
David Drew | 444 c289WH (Link to this contribution)
: I agree entirely and I hope that the Government will learn that lesson wholesale. We must go forwa...
Lynne Jones | 444 c289-90WH (Link to this contribution)
The Minister stated in a letter to the Select Committee that the original contract signed in January...
David Drew | 444 c290WH (Link to this contribution)
: My hon. Friend has done the numbers. I do not pretend to have the same detailed understanding, but...
Keith Simpson | 444 c290WH (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Vale of York (Miss McIntosh) on securing this debate. I...
Baroness Browning | 444 c290WH (Link to this contribution)
: As a member of the Public Accounts Committee, I suggest that Sir John Bourn and the National Audit...
Keith Simpson | 444 c290-2WH (Link to this contribution)
: Yes. To be fair, instead of amateurs like us, a body such as the Public Accounts Committee should ...
David Leslie Taylor | 444 c292WH (Link to this contribution)
We must not lose sight of the fact that, irrespective of how many tonnes of metaphorical slurry we d...
Tony Baldry | 444 c292WH (Link to this contribution)
The debate has quite rightly focused on payments, but as my hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Norfolk (...
David Leslie Taylor | 444 c292-3WH (Link to this contribution)
: I acknowledge that. I spent three decades in the world of information and communications technolog...
Mark Todd | 444 c298WH (Link to this contribution)
: Does the hon. Gentleman accept that one of the differences is that risk has been loaded on risk wh...
Roger Williams | 444 c297-8WH (Link to this contribution)
I, too, congratulate the hon. Member for Vale of York (Miss McIntosh) on securing this debate at suc...
Philip Dunne | 444 c296-7WH (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman speaks with some authority on that subject, as he is chairman of the all-party ...
Tim Farron | 444 c296WH (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is aware that farmers in less favoured areas are suffering even mo...
Patrick Hall | 444 c293WH (Link to this contribution)
On my hon. Friend's point about compensation, given the fact that the bulk of farmers had a clear ex...
David Leslie Taylor | 444 c294-5WH (Link to this contribution)
: That is a fair point, and the Minister will have heard it.
In my experience the 80–20 rule comes ...
Philip Dunne | 444 c295-6WH (Link to this contribution)
I shall try to keep my remarks as brief as I can. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Vale ...
David Leslie Taylor | 444 c293-4WH (Link to this contribution)
: I have a great deal of confidence in the Minister and I have every expectation that in a masterly ...
John Hayes | 444 c294WH (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman is speaking with characteristic candour and clarity about the matter. Farmers i...
Tony Baldry | 444 c296WH (Link to this contribution)
: Is not one of the many problems for farmers the fact that they cannot find anyone to talk to? When...
Philip Dunne | 444 c296WH (Link to this contribution)
: Indeed. There is a paper trail going wrong in every direction. One office cannot speak to the othe...
Lord Benyon | 444 c296WH (Link to this contribution)
I, too, have a declarable interest as a receiver of payments. Does not my hon. Friend agree that the...
Philip Dunne | 444 c296WH (Link to this contribution)
: My hon. Friend makes a good point. There is a clear difficulty in bringing in large numbers of con...
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