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Horsemeat

Opposition day on Tuesday, 12 February 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Mary Creagh. The answering member was Owen Paterson.
Seventeenth opposition day debate (part one). Main question negatived on division (236 to 297).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
558 cc731-770 
Session
2012-13
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
John Bercow | 558 c731 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the main business. The first of the two Opposition day debates is on a motion abou...

Mary Creagh | 558 c731 (Link to this contribution)

I shall try to bear your comments in mind, Mr Speaker.

I beg to move,

That this House...


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Ian Jnr Paisley | 558 c731 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady take this opportunity to correct comments that she made in column 612 of yeste...

John Bercow | 558 c732 (Link to this contribution)

We are deeply obliged to the hon. Gentleman, who has now made his speech.

Mary Creagh | 558 c732 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy for the record to be put straight on that; in the heat of the debate, I made a slip of...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 558 c732 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my fellow Yorkshire MP for giving way. May I ask her to correct another par...

Mary Creagh | 558 c732 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that traces of horse DNA were found in products that emanated from the Dalepak plant in...

Ben Bradshaw | 558 c732 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on her leadership on this issue. She and the highly respected Chair...

Mary Creagh | 558 cc732-3 (Link to this contribution)

A range of mixed messages has been coming out of the Government. The Secretary of State said on F...

Bill Wiggin | 558 c733 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that as the responsibility now lies with the retailers to help restore c...

Mary Creagh | 558 cc733-4 (Link to this contribution)

The beef on sale right now in UK supermarkets is probably of a higher quality than ever. Lots of ...

Owen Paterson | 558 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to do so. I have been restraining myself, Mr Speaker, because of your injunction ...

Mary Creagh | 558 c734 (Link to this contribution)

We are none the wiser about whether the Secretary of State knows the names of these companies, wh...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 558 c734 (Link to this contribution)

As a crofter and a producer, I should refer to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Int...

Mary Creagh | 558 c735 (Link to this contribution)

I share the hon. Gentleman’s concerns for the British meat industry. As he says, we have one of t...

Brian H Donohoe | 558 c735 (Link to this contribution)

For many years, we have been campaigning in Ayrshire to export many of these products to places s...

Mary Creagh | 558 c735 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree. The British food industry is a £12 billion industry, and hundreds of thousands of UK ...

Jim Shannon | 558 c735 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady mentioned the upsurge in trade in local butchers over the past week. Some 30% of bu...

Mary Creagh | 558 c735 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that good traceability will be key in solving this crisis. I look forward to the Secretar...

Mary Creagh | 558 cc736-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman was not in the Department at that time.

The FSA website has chapter and ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 558 c737 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way again; she is being very kind. What is her view on ...

Mary Creagh | 558 c737 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know how condemned meat is currently dealt with, but I have heard tales of people bleach...

Caroline Nokes | 558 c737 (Link to this contribution)

On working with horse passport agencies and the national equine database, does the hon. Lady agre...

Mary Creagh | 558 c738 (Link to this contribution)

The national equine database was as the hon. Lady describes it, but the fact that it no longer ex...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 558 c738 (Link to this contribution)

The question of whether the animal has been injected with something might be a point for discussi...

Mary Creagh | 558 c738 (Link to this contribution)

We need a proportionate response. The problem with the meat found in the Northern Ireland freezer...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 558 c738 (Link to this contribution)

One thing we can be sure of is that the meat did not come from Northern Ireland. Our traceability...

Mary Creagh | 558 cc738-9 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more, which is why I have questioned the Secretary of State so closely on the m...

Owen Paterson | 558 c739 (Link to this contribution)

It is good to be back at the Dispatch Box to talk about this subject for the second day running. ...

Brian H Donohoe | 558 c739 (Link to this contribution)

When the Secretary of State meets his counterparts in Europe, will he raise the problems that I r...

Owen Paterson | 558 c739 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be pleased to note that I jotted down his constituency and was going to m...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 558 c740 (Link to this contribution)

Many farmers, crofters and primary producers have an onerous burden of responsibility and bureauc...

Owen Paterson | 558 c740 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right that we must make absolutely sure that we do not create further regul...

Mary Creagh | 558 c740 (Link to this contribution)

It is great to hear this most Eurosceptic of Secretaries of State doing his bit for European co-o...

Owen Paterson | 558 c740 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Secretary of State is again ahead of the game with respect to what I will say in my sp...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 558 c740 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree that one of the lessons that has already been learned is that i...

Owen Paterson | 558 c740 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman raises an interesting point, but I think that we have to be careful. There are...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 558 c741 (Link to this contribution)

Before the meetings tomorrow, will the Secretary of State ensure that product checks have been ca...

Owen Paterson | 558 c741 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Chair of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee for her question....

Jake Berry | 558 c741 (Link to this contribution)

The point is that when lasagne that are sold as beef contain up to 100% horsemeat, there is a cle...

Owen Paterson | 558 c741 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises an important question that came up yesterday. We have to take note of the c...

Owen Paterson | 558 cc741-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious that other Members want to get in, but I will press on and make a little more prog...

Andrew Gwynne | 558 c742 (Link to this contribution)

May I push the Secretary of State further on testing? Has he ordered the testing of gelatine and ...

Owen Paterson | 558 c742 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman asks a good question. However, like many Opposition Members, he is asking me t...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 558 c742 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State assure me and the House on one point? The financial burden for any ex...

Owen Paterson | 558 c742 (Link to this contribution)

The European law is clear that retailers are key. They are responsible for the quality and validi...

Owen Paterson | 558 c742 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Member for Dumfries and Galloway (Mr Brown), because he tried to inte...

Russell Brown | 558 c742 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has spoken of criminal and fraudulent activity, as he did yesterday. There...

Owen Paterson | 558 c743 (Link to this contribution)

That is a perfectly valid question, but it is too early to tell. I will probably learn more in me...

Owen Paterson | 558 c743 (Link to this contribution)

I am looking at the clock and must push on.

The criminal justice system in the UK and acros...

Lord Watts | 558 c743 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Owen Paterson | 558 c743 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one more time, then I must push on.

Lord Watts | 558 c743 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State seems to be placing a great deal of faith in the FSA. Given that it has fa...

Owen Paterson | 558 cc743-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely glorious! Labour Members are attacking their own creation. That is one of the ...

Neil Parish | 558 c744 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State made the point yesterday that tracing processed meat products is a paper c...

Owen Paterson | 558 cc744-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, but I confirmed a few minutes ago that I am concerned that the p...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c745 (Link to this contribution)

May I just mention to Members who want to catch my eye that we are introducing an eight-minute li...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 558 cc745-6 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Wakefield (Mary Creagh) and the Opposition on securing such a ...

Mary Creagh | 558 c746 (Link to this contribution)

I take on board what the hon. Lady says. I believe that the tests that are being conducted will l...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 558 cc746-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is a separate debate. We would need to look at the costs of two separate lines, one for beef...

Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 558 cc747-9 (Link to this contribution)

I was pleased to hear the Secretary of State mention trust in his speech, because it lies at the ...

Roger Williams | 558 c748 (Link to this contribution)

The Chair of the Select Committee was quite right when she said that when the matter was first id...

Barry Gardiner | 558 c748 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether the hon. Gentleman is aware, but we ran the UK bushmeat campaign almost a d...

Roger Williams | 558 cc748-750 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened to the hon. Gentleman and I know he was very active in this matter. Indeed, I int...

Jake Berry | 558 c750 (Link to this contribution)

We take traceability extremely seriously in Rossendale and Darwen, where we have many livestock f...

Roger Williams | 558 cc750-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that; I may come to a similar point later. He is quite right. Inde...

Diane Abbott | 558 cc751-2 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard a lot in this important debate about producer interests. I want to detain the House...

Andrew Gwynne | 558 c752 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. The consequence of driving down costs has been to driv...

Diane Abbott | 558 c752 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree. The pressure on costs inevitably means pressure on quality. Instead of cutting ...

Diane Abbott | 558 c752 (Link to this contribution)

I will not; I want to make some progress.

My hon. Friend the Member for West Bromwich East ...

Laura Sandys | 558 cc752-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Hackney North and Stoke Newington (Ms Abbott). In ...

Tom Harris | 558 c753 (Link to this contribution)

I am enjoying the hon. Lady’s speech a great deal, but I wonder where she is going with it. It is...

Laura Sandys | 558 c753 (Link to this contribution)

I think that that is a false choice. The issue is that we have stopped valuing, understanding and...

Kerry McCarthy | 558 cc753-5 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the shadow DEFRA Front-Bench team on pursuing this issue relentlessly and on choos...

Diane Abbott | 558 c755 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend think that if people really knew what goes into some of these cheaper process...

Kerry McCarthy | 558 c755 (Link to this contribution)

That is very much the point I am making. It is so important for people to know what goes into the...

Barry Gardiner | 558 c755 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware that the Government have just concluded a consultation on the EU food inf...

Kerry McCarthy | 558 cc755-7 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly. I raised that very issue with the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Aff...

Mark Spencer | 558 c757 (Link to this contribution)

This should not seem like rocket science to the hon. Lady. If I told her that I could flog her a ...

Kerry McCarthy | 558 c757 (Link to this contribution)

Sometimes people simply do not have a choice between buying the slightly dodgy knock-off cheap te...

Kerry McCarthy | 558 c758 (Link to this contribution)

I am about to end my speech.

That is the Government’s responsibility, and I was shocked by ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c758 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I shall have to lower the speaking limit to seven minutes in order to enable everyone to s...

Caroline Nokes | 558 cc758-760 (Link to this contribution)

It is slightly challenging to follow the hon. Member for Bristol East (Kerry McCarthy), who produ...

Barry Gardiner | 558 cc760-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Romsey and Southampton North (Caroline Nokes). As a ...

Roger Williams | 558 c761 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right to want to identify the point at which the fraud took place, but more...

Barry Gardiner | 558 cc761-2 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree, and that is why I am very pleased that the shadow Secretary of State has called...

Mark Spencer | 558 cc762-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Brent North (Barry Gardiner). Although he re...

Simon Hart | 558 c763 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, does my hon. Friend agree that in this instance there was nothing unclear about th...

Mark Spencer | 558 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, and that is fundamental. Frankly, that could not happen in the UK because environment...

Pat Glass | 558 c763 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with much of what the hon. Gentleman has said, but surely the issue is about criminality,...

Mark Spencer | 558 cc763-4 (Link to this contribution)

I acknowledge that position, but my point is that given the traceability in the UK industry, the ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c764 (Link to this contribution)

Order. May I just say to Mr Parish that he has five minutes, as we have to start the wind ups at ...

Neil Parish | 558 cc764-5 (Link to this contribution)

May I apologise for not being here at the start of the debate?

It is a great pleasure to fo...

Tom Harris | 558 c765 (Link to this contribution)

This has been an important and well informed debate, and I wish to thank some Members individuall...

David Heath | 558 c765 (Link to this contribution)

It is important that I put it on the record that the Secretary of State is having the phone meeti...

Tom Harris | 558 cc766-7 (Link to this contribution)

I look forward to the right hon. Gentleman reappearing in the Chamber, but I am grateful to the M...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c767 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am sure we want to get back on to the subject of horsemeat. Is the hon. Gentleman sugges...

Tom Harris | 558 cc767-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am getting back in the saddle right now, Mr Deputy Speaker.

The Minister of State warned ...

David Heath | 558 c769 (Link to this contribution)

In the few moments I have to respond, I should say that this has been a broadly measured and cons...

David Heath | 558 cc769-771 (Link to this contribution)

No, because the hon. Member for Glasgow South (Mr Harris) took up all my time.

The hon. Mem...

John McDonnell | 558 c770 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. The Government lost in the High Court this morning. The H...

Nigel Evans | 558 c770 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his advance notice of that point of order. Those on the Treasury B...

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