Parliamentary search - Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

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700 c1049-107

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2007-08

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Ministry of Justice

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Report stage

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New clauses

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House of Lords chamber

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. As amended in Committee. In two volumes.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 700 c1102 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is entirely what I intended for the Minister to do.

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1102-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble and learned Lord. I asked the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, ...

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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1105 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and learned Baroness could never be described as slow. It is the latter.

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1105 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I may be a little slow on this, but is the sentence that we are talking about—two years—th...

Lord Bach | 700 c1107 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving this Motion...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1049 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report. Moved accordingly, and, ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1051 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am much obliged. That government department deals with young people in trouble, as does ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1051 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that the noble Lord has missed out the word ““families””.

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1050-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 47 is grouped with these government amendments. I thank the Minister for lis...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1049-50 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: Clause 9, page 7, leave out lines 1 to 9 and insert— ““(2) The court m...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1051-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these government changes happen with such frequency, not to mention the personnel involved...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1051 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in his interesting speech, the noble Lord has missed out my own department, the Ministry o...

Baroness Stern | 700 c1053-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, am grateful to the Minister for tabling his amendment. I, too, feel that it does n...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c1052 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I associate myself wholeheartedly with everything said so clearly and so powerfully by the...

Lord Judd | 700 c1054-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would be unfortunate if my noble friend were to feel that he was being congratulated on...

Bishop of Chester | 700 c1054 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with everything that has been said so far. I want to pick up on what the noble Bar...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1052 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the Government on a considerable move forward in their Amendment No. 36. Th...

Baroness Warnock | 700 c1057 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to intervene, but I support very strongly what my noble friend Lord Ram...

Lord Ramsbotham | 700 c1055-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for bringing forward the amendment, but, like other noble Lords...

Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 700 c1056-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have just listened to a very profound contribution, and I cannot sensibly add to it. Al...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c1057 (Link to this contribution) I, too, thank the Minister for his well intentioned and well received attempts to meet the concerns ...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1062-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on that last point, the Government would have made their task on the purposes substantiall...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1060 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that in making my observations about the noble Lord’s amendment I paid due tribute ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1059 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has in his remarks pointed the way to the difference between Amendments Nos...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1058-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in considering these clauses in Committee, your Lordships will have heard one of the most ...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 700 c1057-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may add just a note to what has been said. I was very moved by the contribution ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1064 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether there would be a person under 18 who had any money unless they were drug ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1063 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am ever eager to ponder the wisdom of the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland. I followed what he...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1063 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38: 38: Clause 9, page 7, line 14, after ““of”” insert ““financial compensatio...

Lord Monson | 700 c1080 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a complete layman, it seems to me that the amendment has at least two flaws. First, how...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1075-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that elucidation. I do not have a specific answer, but I will look into ...

Baroness Stern | 700 c1074 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, they are edited out. There is white space under the headings because we are not allowed to...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 700 c1078-80 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 45: 45: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause— ““Restrictions on cus...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1073-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have not debated Titans for some time, so I welcome that helpful intervention. Given th...

Lord Ramsbotham | 700 c1073 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that. Instead of putting all this money into hideous Tit...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1074 (Link to this contribution) They are what, my Lords?

Baroness Stern | 700 c1074 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is suggesting that the headings that I read out are to sections about what ca...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1072-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like our first debate, this has been an extraordinarily interesting and well informed deba...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c1072 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to this important amendment early on, and it was clear that there was a rush...

Baroness Stern | 700 c1070-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much support the amendment. I would have added my name to it, but it was too popula...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c1069-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was in the queue of noble Lords who wished to add their names to the amendment and I am ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 700 c1068-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my reason for supporting the amendment is contained in two phrases in the proposed new cla...

Lord Brabazon of Tara | 700 c1068 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should point out, in the first line of subsection (2) of the proposed new clause, that i...

Lord Judd | 700 c1065-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 44: 44: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause— ““Secure accommodatio...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1064-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 41 to 43: 41: Clause 9, page 7, leave out lines 35 to 42 and insert— ““““(1A...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1064 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I could not have asked for a more generous reply from the Minister. I am most grateful to ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 700 c1100-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it seems as though I must now address my amendments, which I am very happy to do. In doing...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1101 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the principle of the government amendment. I also support the further amendment ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 700 c1101-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like my noble and learned friend, I support the spirit and principle of what the Governmen...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 700 c1099 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is my point.

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1099 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I understand it, I do not think that the noble and learned Lord can wait for the next g...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1100 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it was made clear that if the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Kingsl...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1102 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether it would be for the convenience of the House if I posed a question to the...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1099 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is it possible to deal with Amendment No. 53 if Amendment No. 52 is passed?

Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 700 c1098 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I call Amendment No. 52, I have to inform your Lordships that if it is carried, I c...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1098-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 52: 52: Clause 13, page 9, leave out lines 41 and 42 The noble Lord said: My ...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1095 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister, who has characteristically given a full and earnest re...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1097-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 49 to 51: 49: Clause 12, page 9, line 5, leave out from ““offence”” to end o...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c1094 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, bearing in mind the fact that the new provisions have been operating only for a short peri...

Lord Bach | 700 c1094-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Governments of whatever colour are always extremely careful not to go beyond what they are...

Lord Bach | 700 c1091-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me do my best. To start off with, I remind noble Lords that we are seeking in Clause 1...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 700 c1099 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in the same difficulty as I was in Committee. If one leaves out proposed new subsecti...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1099 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do wish to press my amendment. The noble and learned Lord would, no doubt, not want the ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1087 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, invitingly asks me to respond, but we had a very full debate ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1087 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we feel very strongly on these Benches on this issue. We feel that it is time to rebalance...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1089 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 48: 48: Clause 10, leave out Clause 10 The noble Lord said: My Lords, this am...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1089 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke at length on this amendment in Committee and I do not propose to repeat what I sai...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 700 c1089 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not speak on this in Committee, but I found the inexorable logic of the argument of ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1089 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also share the view of the noble Lords, Lord Kingsland and Lord Thomas of Gresford, and ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c1089-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the clear purpose of the provision in the Bill is to reduce the prison population. That is...

Viscount Tenby | 700 c1090-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I warmly support the amendment. I declare an interest as a magistrate for 25 years. I also...

Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 700 c1091 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is relevant to point out what the Magistrates' Association has said about this proposal...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1080-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the principle behind the amendment but I, too, have some concerns about the word...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1081-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, your Lordships’ House owes a great debt to the noble Baroness, Lady Falkner, for tabling t...

Lord Judd | 700 c1082-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to put my name to the amendment, because it raises extremely important poin...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1082 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I say in support of the amendment that the court, when it passes a sentence of custody, is...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c1082 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, have respect and sympathy for the motivation behind the amendment. Indeed, any emp...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1087 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment comes after Clause 9. On a technical point, is the part of Clause 9 that doe...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1087 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords.

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 700 c1085 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am heartened by how many noble Lords have spoken to this amendment and I hear what they ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1085-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 47: 47: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause— ““Principle aim of th...

Lord Judd | 700 c1076-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his usual careful and thorough response to the arguments...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1064 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39: 39: Clause 9, page 7, line 24, leave out ““226 or 228 of this Act (dangero...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1100 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is not our view. This amendment came from another place; another place has looked at ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 700 c1091 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment, for another practical reason. I am concerned that there are...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1083-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like other noble Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Falkner, on returning to w...

Lord Kingsland | 700 c1105 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am of course most grateful to all your Lordships who have participated in this debate an...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1064 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have had an opportunity to consider this between Committee and Report. I am grateful to ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c1070 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendments and give the example of what went right when two young chil...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c1102 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support wholeheartedly the amendment in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Llo...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1060-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I echo the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, by acknowledging the quality of debate both in Comm...

Subjects

Criminal proceedings

Administration of justice

Custodial treatment

Fines

Mentally disordered offenders

Sentencing

Young offenders

Reoffenders

Secure accommodation

Young offender institutions

Legislation

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2006-07 to 2007-08

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