Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

My Lords, I am delighted to put my name to the amendment, because it raises extremely important points. I made the same arguments on the previous amendment, so it would be to take a liberty with the House to repeat them. I hope that my noble friend will take the amendment seriously in the context of the view, which I understand he shares, that we must decide whether we are on the side of rehabilitation and in the context of what is appropriate for each individual young offender in the cause of achieving rehabilitation. In replying on the last amendment, my noble friend said that those of us advocating it were on the side of humanitarian concern. We are proud to be so, but it really is not just about humanitarian concern—that is part of the exasperation that arises. It is about being effective in protecting society, because what is being done at the moment does not protect society. That is the point. What is the tough way to protect society and what is not? Here there is a complete coincidence between what makes enlightened humanitarian concern and what is effective at achieving results.