Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 24 May 2011, in the House of Lords.

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Lords committee stage third day. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clause 2: Chief constables, agreed to. Schedule 2 agreed to. Clause 3: Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime, agreed to. Schedule 3 agreed to. Clause 4: Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis, agreed to. Schedule 4 agreed to. Clause 5: Police and crime commissioners to issue police and crime plans, agreed to. Clause 6: Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime to issue police and crime plans, agreed to. Clause 7: Police and crime plans, agreed to. Clause 8: Duty to have regard to police and crime plan, agreed to. Clause 9: Crime and disorder reduction grants about to be debated when House adjourned.

Type

Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

727 c1694-752, c1760-814

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 62-EN also published.
Friday, 1 April 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eleventh report with formal minutes and evidence.
Tuesday, 3 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

Constitution Select Committee (HL) fourteenth report on Part 1 of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill.
Wednesday, 4 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Select Committee (HL). Thirteenth report on: Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill 2010-12; Wreck Removal Convention Bill 2010-12. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 4 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c1802 (Link to this contribution) We say nothing else.

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1802-3 (Link to this contribution) That is an important principle. I am really troubled that so much of this debate is described as del...

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Lord Soley | 727 c1803 (Link to this contribution) 68ZA: Clause 5, page 5, line 9, at end insert— ““( ) A police and crime commissioner must issue a cr...

Lord Soley | 727 c1803-5 (Link to this contribution) This is an important group of amendments dealing mainly with crime prevention, which is an important...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1798-800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a great number of amendments in this grouping. I shall try to do justice to as ma...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1800 (Link to this contribution) The Greater London Authority Act provides for circumstances in which the office of mayor is vacant. ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1800-1 (Link to this contribution) I am not up to speed with the Greater London Authority Act, but I would have hoped that in bringing ...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1801-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a long list of amendments because there are a lot of issues. I would have been co...

Lord Soley | 727 c1806 (Link to this contribution) I am not too worried about that but my view would be that it ought to be before the election.

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1805-6 (Link to this contribution) I was hoping to intervene before the noble Lord sat down, but I will now put my question after the a...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1792-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. As ever, the n...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1793 (Link to this contribution) 51: Clause 3, page 3, line 22, at end insert— ““( ) Subsections (3) and (4) are subject to section (...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1790-1 (Link to this contribution) One reads with interest the amendment, which, as my noble friend Lord Harris of Haringey said, provi...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1791-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments would prevent the mayor holding the mayor’s office for policing and crime...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1790 (Link to this contribution) I think that that is a consequence of extending discussion in your Lordships' House past our normal ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1789-90 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the concept suggested by my noble friend of different people being elected to a p...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1797-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to an amendment that is in my name, to four other amendments to which I have ...

Baroness Doocey | 727 c1796-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to address Amendments 103, 105, 112 and 116, the four amendments in my name ...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1793-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 51, too, concerns London and to an extent follows the theme of the noble Lord, L...

Lord Soley | 727 c1811 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend anticipates me because I was going to finish on this. It is a relevant point. Leavin...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1811 (Link to this contribution) I can half see the problem but I am not fully persuaded that crime is quite so pocketed in one area....

Lord Soley | 727 c1811-2 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Minister to sit down and talk with his own noble friend Lady Harris of Richmond, who does ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1812 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as it happens, next week I will be taken round one of the poorer areas of Leeds by the hea...

Lord Soley | 727 c1810-1 (Link to this contribution) That was a disappointing reply. I really do think that the Government need to go away and put crime ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1811 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way and am sorry that it is so late but is not the point...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1808 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to the amendments to which the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, referred. I...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1808 (Link to this contribution) We have another complex and technical set of amendments here. I listened with great interest to the ...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1807 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have amendments in this group. I will deal first with Amendments 76ZA and 76C as they ar...

Baroness Doocey | 727 c1808 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to speak briefly to the amendments in my name in this group—Amendments 73, 1...

Lord Soley | 727 c1809 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister clarify one question I asked him? Does the crime plan mean crime prevention plan or...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1809-10 (Link to this contribution) It is clear throughout the Bill that the reduction of crime, which involves the prevention of crime,...

Lord Soley | 727 c1808 (Link to this contribution) Organising crime prevention.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1808-9 (Link to this contribution) We are all clear, and it is clearly the intent of the Bill, that the police and crime plan will be o...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1806-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a short but interesting debate. I am very grateful to my noble friend. This ...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1810 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Soley, replies, I wonder whether the Minister is in a position...

Lord Cormack | 727 c1697-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my name is attached to Amendment 26, I should like to thank the noble Baroness, Lady Ha...

Lord Condon | 727 c1698 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I sympathise with the motivation behind the amendment. Although I realise that it is a pro...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1695-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that will be helpful. I would merely add that I have always had a bit of a concern about r...

Lord Brabazon of Tara | 727 c1697 (Link to this contribution) I have to inform the Committee that, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 218. A...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1695 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one way to deal with that would be for the Government to write letters in response to the ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1695 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in response to the noble Lord’s suggestion, I am very happy to agree to that.

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1694-5 (Link to this contribution) 26: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Pilot schemes (1) Section 1 and other provisi...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1695 (Link to this contribution) In addition to this amendment, I also have Amendment 47 in this group. They are two amendments among...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1711 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 77 is in my name, so perhaps I may say a few words about it. Before I do so, I did not dec...

Lord De Mauley | 727 c1711 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am reliably informed that once is enough.

Baroness Browning | 727 c1706-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would not dream of presuming what the noble Baroness’s husband has made of all this. Tha...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 727 c1707 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Baroness arguing that there are no common factors, or that there are some? Is it not re...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1706 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister reflect on the fact that London is a unique area, with unique and very large media...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1706 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the Minister accept from me that the fact that people checked on crime in their local...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c1708 (Link to this contribution) 30: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Applicability of memorandum of understanding:...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c1708-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will link what I say to Amendments 231, 231A, 231B, 234ZA and 234ZB in the names of the ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1707 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course, there are common factors across all police forces, although each force is uniqu...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1707-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a serious debate, for which I am grateful. When my noble friend Lord Bradsha...

Lord Wigley | 727 c1705 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the House that I missed the earlier part of this debate, although I have heard all of...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1705-6 (Link to this contribution) I have to say to the noble Lord that these negotiations and discussions are still ongoing. However, ...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1706 (Link to this contribution) In the research that the Minister cited, and certainly in the research that I have seen, when member...

Lord Dear | 727 c1698-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Condon, has said, because my views accord very much wi...

Lord Soley | 727 c1699 (Link to this contribution) I share the concern about pilots, but I also very much share the concern expressed by the noble Baro...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1699-700 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two amendments in this group: Amendments 38 and 253. Like the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1701-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, those of my colleagues who read the Daily Telegraph will have noticed from yesterday’s edi...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1702-3 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support the amendment, and I do so for a number of reasons. First, there is a tre...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1703-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I respond to the debate that we have just had regarding the issue of pilots, it mig...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1779 (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is right. I ask noble Lords not to press the amendment.

Lord Soley | 727 c1779 (Link to this contribution) So the situation now would override the corporation sole nature of the body.

Baroness Henig | 727 c1779 (Link to this contribution) It has been an extremely interesting debate which has teased out a number of important issues, many ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1779 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has given a very helpful explanation in relation to the chief financial offic...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1778 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can answer the noble Lord now. The situation will be as it is now.

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1783 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am deeply sorry if I have in any way offended the noble Lord, Lord Harris, but the fact ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1779 (Link to this contribution) 49: Clause 3, page 3, line 13, at end insert ““and the City of London””

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1779-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 53, 54, 55 and 56. I see that Amendment 55, in the name o...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1781-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, is using this group of amendments to seek to achi...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1783 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way—or perhaps he had resumed his seat anyway—but he has ...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1786 (Link to this contribution) The Minister’s argument is that she has been so overwhelmed by the decision of the previous Labour G...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1786 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate. I am very grateful to noble Lords for the history...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1785 (Link to this contribution) I do not know specifically what the reasons were. They may well be those that the noble Lord has sai...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1785 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord care to answer one thing? Will he comment on why the previous Labour Government...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1784-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is clearly a perfectly legitimate amendment and this is clearly the time when the iss...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1783-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a late hour, but that is not anyone’s doing, and I am sure that the noble Lord, Lord...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1788 (Link to this contribution) 50: Clause 3, page 3, line 15, leave out subsections (3) and (4) and insert— ““(3) There is to be a ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1788-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 50, I wish to speak to an extremely long list of amendments which, bec...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1786-7 (Link to this contribution) Not at all, my Lords. We studied very closely the actions or lack of actions of the previous Labour ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1787-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am enormously grateful to Members of the Committee for their consideration of the amendm...

Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington | 727 c1730 (Link to this contribution) I also support the amendment, because if the argument is that police commissioners are elected, sure...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c1726 (Link to this contribution) If noble Lords like my erudition, I will continue. My second point, from my lecture this evening, is...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c1726-7 (Link to this contribution) 31: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Police Commission (1) There shall be a body c...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c1727 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 31, for the avoidance of any doubt let me say that it was agreed by th...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1727 (Link to this contribution) 31B: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Deputy police and crime commissioners (1) Th...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1727-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments in my name in this group relate to the situation in which a vacancy arises ...

Lord Shipley | 727 c1729 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 212, which I hope has the status of a drafting amendment since ...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1729 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the amendment. Given that thus far with the amendments that have been moved there ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c1729-30 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments from the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, and my noble friend Lord Shipley. My fir...

Lord Condon | 727 c1730 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment as well. I fear that the thinking behind this provision was like something t...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c1725-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her helpful comments and responses to what has been a wide-ranging and very...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1723 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is an extremely helpful comment. Let me put it round the other way. Does Clause 10 co...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1723-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we hope that with the election of police and crime commissioners there will be a real cult...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1723 (Link to this contribution) Now that the noble Baroness is leaving the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, perhaps she c...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1723 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government have no intention or expectation that they will go further in the way that ...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1724-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that the noble Baroness responded to my amendments on the role of victims an...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1725 (Link to this contribution) I quite take the point that the noble Baroness makes. I promise to write to her specifically on thos...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1724 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has very helpfully addressed a number of the points. However, I am still not clea...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1724 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry if I did not make that clear in my remarks, in which I focused very much on the...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1722 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has, with a very welcome style, promised meetings before the Bill leaves the House. In ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1722 (Link to this contribution) I understand why the noble Baroness says that which is why, of course, the checks and balances need ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1722-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I quite accept that and it would be my intention to do exactly that. There is a gap betwee...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1721-2 (Link to this contribution) The Mayor of London might well be described as having similar power as constituted already and alrea...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1722 (Link to this contribution) I am not aware that the Mayor of London currently has powers in respect of the criminal justice bodi...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1722 (Link to this contribution) I also trust the public, but in the only cases that I can see that might be compatible—elected mayor...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1719 (Link to this contribution) Well, both your Lordships are strong protagonists of the British Transport Police. My point was abou...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1719-21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for raising the potential implications of the protocol or mem...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1721 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not see that, in all the partnerships that arise, there will be only one person—th...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 727 c1719 (Link to this contribution) I heard it, too.

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1719 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, heard what he feared I was saying rather than what I act...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1719 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord said that stop-and-search powers had been clumsily or excessively used by the British...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1716-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a cornucopia of interesting points concealed in this group of amendments. I shall...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1714-5 (Link to this contribution) I will speak to Amendments 231A, 231B, 234ZA and 234ZB standing in my name. They relate to the Briti...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 727 c1715 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, and have put my name to the same amendments in...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1713 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak briefly to Amendment 83A. The clause requires the elected police commissioner to co-...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1713-4 (Link to this contribution) I have a number of amendments in this group. Like other noble Lords, I found the draft of the memora...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1711-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. Amendment 77 relates back to an issue that this House discussed on our previ...

Lord Dear | 727 c1712-3 (Link to this contribution) I understand that we are debating an issue of uniformity, which has to be a good thing. I do not thi...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1749-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very sympathetic to many of the amendments, particularly concerning the need for reca...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1748-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to Amendments 156 and 165, which deal with the panel arrangements in London....

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1751 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend, but surely the problem is on the other side. There is nothi...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1750-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a very useful debate on a lengthy collection of amendments. Having complimen...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1751 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, might you not have a situation where the elected commissioner has made it clear that he do...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1743 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 31E withdrawn. Amendments 32 to 34 not moved. Am...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1743 (Link to this contribution) 34A: Schedule 1, page 107, line 44, at end insert — ““( ) The police and crime commissioner must exe...

Baroness Doocey | 727 c1747-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two amendments in this group and I would like to speak briefly to both of them. As ...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1745-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a number of amendments in this group and I shall give the numbers as I come to them...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1743 (Link to this contribution) Off the top of my head, given that many people’s salaries are set by the SSRB—I declare an interest ...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1742 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Baroness would accept that even if the Secretary of State was determining the ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1742 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is quite right to chide me. In fact, as I was saying it, I remembered my words to him...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1742 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness’s statement that we should trust the electorate to choose not extend to thei...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1743 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, because in another place, where I served for nearly 20 years, it was not an uncommon p...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1743 (Link to this contribution) Does that not show that the fears just expressed by the Minister are unlikely ever to occur?

Baroness Browning | 727 c1742 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, but a thought has just occurred to me. There is always the...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1742 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her response on the financial issues. She was so kind as to say in ou...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1741-2 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can assist the noble Lord by telling him that a police authority may not enter into an...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1741 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness. If it is the case that collaboration agreements are entered int...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1741 (Link to this contribution) I seek a little more clarification about Amendment 94 and the response given about elected policing ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1738-41 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill provides for the Home Secretary to determine the salary of Police and Crime Commi...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1741 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to venture into territory where I may in any way mislead the noble Lord, but my unders...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1735-6 (Link to this contribution) It might be helpful if I respond to that to save the Committee going down an avenue which I am certa...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1737-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lady Henig and the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, have explained the purpose...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1736-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to make a short comment on Amendment 31E, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, ...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1733-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 32B to 32F in this group. I will try to be brief as I hope that thes...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1735 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, has not raised esoteric points; she has raised two fundam...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1734-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have several amendments in this group: Amendments 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 47, 48, 63, 64, 94...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1733 (Link to this contribution) 31E: Schedule 1, page 106, line 9, leave out ““Secretary of State”” and insert ““police and crime pa...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1733 (Link to this contribution) I withdraw the amendment. Amendment 31B withdrawn. Amendments 31C and 31D not moved. Schedule 1 :...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1733 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for that intervention. We may agree that appointing or electing the deputy co...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1732 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps it would help if I came in because that was an interesting point about the issue o...

Baroness Berridge | 727 c1732 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I might add to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, in that this is not...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1732 (Link to this contribution) Surely that would not be the case, would it, in the event of a suspension? The suspension could clea...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1731-2 (Link to this contribution) Yes, we accept that and it is something which we will have to consider further and discuss with nobl...

Lord Condon | 727 c1731 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister will forgive me for interrupting, he talks about a temporary expedient. Does he acce...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1731 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we recognise that the whole question of checks and balances is a matter of much concern th...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1730-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister spoke earlier about recognising the need for checks and balances, and I regar...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c1777 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down—and I apologise for interrupting her—I have been slowly digesting some...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1774-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a very interesting and important debate. My noble friend and other noble Lor...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1775-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful. This has been a very constructive debate on a very important part of this l...

Lord Shipley | 727 c1772-3 (Link to this contribution) What seems to be missing in this debate and in the Bill as a whole is a clear indication of the net ...

Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington | 727 c1773-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, talked about the office of chief constable and the business ...

Lord Soley | 727 c1771-2 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may follow on briefly from what my noble friend Lord Harris said. He made a very thoughtfu...

Lord Soley | 727 c1778 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister answer my question, which arose from the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Harris,...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1778 (Link to this contribution) I want to question whether my noble friend has got the correct nuance of the argument. We have to be...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1778 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful for the further contributions that have just been made to the debate. I...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1760 (Link to this contribution) 41: Schedule 2, page 108, line 25, leave out paragraph 2

Baroness Henig | 727 c1761-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am going to speak to 24 amendments in this group that stand in my name and one to which ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c1764-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name in support of Amendments 41, 42 and 46, which the noble Baroness, Lad...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1765-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendment 64B, which differs only in a minor fashion from one or two o...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1751 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that concern. It was evident in the debate and is clearly something that we need to tak...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c1768-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak from a position of neutrality on these amendments. I wish to illustrate my remarks...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1770 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that it is possible to construct a situation where you have a finance off...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c1770-1 (Link to this contribution) I am always prepared to defer to the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, because he is a much great...

Lord Dear | 727 c1771 (Link to this contribution) I was going to speak at length about the points that have been very adequately covered by the noble ...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1790 (Link to this contribution) I intervene very briefly. When I am attending your Lordships' House, I stay in a club in my former c...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 727 c1700-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I particularly support the submissions and remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. Although ...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1722 (Link to this contribution) I hear what noble Lords are saying. I am not persuaded of the argument because I believe that there ...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1743-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are now moving into the territory of checks and balances, which, as some noble Lords ha...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1778 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I may have misheard her, but I thought that the Minister hinted or said that amendments wo...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1752 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment 34A withdrawn. Amendments 34B to 36ZC not moved. ...

Lord Soley | 727 c1812-4 (Link to this contribution) I will wait to see what happens. I simply say to the Minister that crime prevention policy should be...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1736 (Link to this contribution) I accept that the noble Baroness is merely trying to elucidate what it means. It seems to me that in...

Subjects

Devolved matters

Accountability

Crime prevention

Crime

British Transport Police

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