Parliamentary search - Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill

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731 c290-351

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2010-12

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Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 91-EN also published. (Lords Minutes).
Tuesday, 6 September 2011
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Lord Henley | 731 c312 (Link to this contribution) The test that the noble Lord proposes, as is made clear by the Joint Committee on Human Rights repor...

Lord Pannick | 731 c312 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell the Committee a little more about why the balance of probabilities test would ...

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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c309 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has twice said that the Minister is answerable to the media. How can the Minister be ...

Lord Rosser | 731 c309 (Link to this contribution) I said ““open to challenge in the media””; I am not sure that is the same as being accountable to th...

Lord Henley | 731 c309-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a very big group of amendments before the Committee. I thank all noble Lords for t...

Lord Goodhart | 731 c310 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. That is a misapplication of what I was tr...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 731 c307 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to add my view. I entirely agree with what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd o...

Lord Rosser | 731 c307-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one of the attractions of these debates is that we get not one but many legal opinions—dif...

Lord Morgan | 731 c308 (Link to this contribution) Is my noble friend aware that the view he has expressed is totally contrary to those of such figures...

Lord Rosser | 731 c308-9 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that the views that I am expressing are not in line with those of a great many peopl...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c317-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in tabling this amendment, I am grateful for the support of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of K...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c318-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, and have added my name to his amendment. I...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 731 c315-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his careful response to this large group of amendments. ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c316 (Link to this contribution) 6: Schedule 1, page 22, line 5, at end insert— ““Residence measure A1 (1) The Secretary of State may...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c314 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way because it enables me to anticipate the arg...

Lord Henley | 731 c314-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall develop those arguments further when we get to Clause 9, which the noble Lord wish...

Lord Henley | 731 c313-4 (Link to this contribution) I made clear that, as part of that review, we considered moving to that test. I was not in the Home ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c299-300 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether the noble Lord has studied the effect of the case of AF (No. 3), but if he wer...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 731 c300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c300 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I might finish this point before, predictably, the noble and learned Lord stands up. I do un...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 731 c300 (Link to this contribution) Surely the noble Lord must accept and understand the difference between deporting a British subject ...

Lord Pannick | 731 c295-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 17, 42 and 43 in this group are in my name. First, I would like to say that I ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c297-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name appears with others on Amendments 1 to 4, 16 and 18 to 22. Amendment 5 stands in m...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c298-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this context, unlike my noble friends and other noble Lords who have spoken, I propose ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 731 c299 (Link to this contribution) He does. It seems to me that my noble friend’s historic account of Regulation 18B omits to mention t...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c299 (Link to this contribution) Which was one of the reasons why it was so unjust, because a very large number of people were made t...

Lord Morgan | 731 c299 (Link to this contribution) I do not propose to review the noble Lord’s review of my version of history, but I think it worth po...

Lord Faulks | 731 c307 (Link to this contribution) I have no immediate answer to that, but at this juncture I would suggest that the initial decision-m...

Lord Faulks | 731 c306-7 (Link to this contribution) What I endeavoured to say was that the balance of probabilities would be appropriate were the courts...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c307 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord have any comments on the provisions in Clause 26, which provide for the Secretar...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c301-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having vigorously indicated to the noble Lord that I wanted him to speak before me, I am l...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c302-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, some of us are even closer to the crossfire. I start with a question which perhaps picks ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c300-1 (Link to this contribution) What I understand is that a deportation decision can be made by the Home Secretary. The administrati...

Lord Faulks | 731 c305-6 (Link to this contribution) I agree with what my noble friend Lord Macdonald and many other noble Lords said, that we can trust ...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 731 c303-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments. I can do so relatively briefly because I can quite easily and si...

Lord Eames | 731 c304-5 (Link to this contribution) I rise to briefly support the amendment of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, but do so from an...

Lord Morgan | 731 c294-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have attached my name to the amendments and shall speak briefly about them. I am not a l...

Lord Goodhart | 731 c293-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this country has for centuries—going back 800 years to Magna Carta—recognised the rule of ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 731 c291-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments fall into two main groups. The first includes Amendments 1 to 3, 7, 8, 25...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 731 c290-1 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 2, page 1, line 6, at beginning insert ““The court may on the application of””

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c333 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 24 I shall speak also to Amendments 28, 30 and 31 to 35 in my name. Am...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 731 c334-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I can give some reassurance to my noble friend on the issues that she has raised in...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c335 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness agonises over whether she puts this to the vote, the final point...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c335 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, gets there before me.

Lord Harris of Haringey | 731 c335 (Link to this contribution) As ever.

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c336 (Link to this contribution) 26: Clause 6, page 3, line 14, at end insert— ““(1A) The application of subsection (1) extends to— (...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c336 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 26 is grouped with Amendments 45 and 46, which also stand in my name. We touched...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c332 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my concern stems from the possible prospect of a less benign Home Secretary, who may misus...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c332 (Link to this contribution) 24: Clause 5, page 3, line 4, after ““if”” insert ““at the date from which it is extended””

Lord Henley | 731 c329-30 (Link to this contribution) We had better not comment on Blackpool. I suspect the noble Baroness probably understands what I am ...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c330 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not expect a response from the Minister, but I will use this last opportunity to enco...

Lord Henley | 731 c329 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness probably answered her own question, at least the first one, on what would be subs...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c329 (Link to this contribution) It once had a better reputation.

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c330-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Goodhart has put his name to Amendment 23, partly through his connect...

Lord Goodhart | 731 c331 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is put to this amendment and while I do not have a great deal to add to it, there ...

Baroness D'Souza | 731 c330 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should advise the Committee that if Amendment 16 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 1...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c330 (Link to this contribution) 23: Clause 4, page 2, line 28, leave out paragraphs (b) to (d) and insert— ““(b) conduct which is in...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c329 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will certainly do so. I am very grateful to the Minister. Perhaps he is able to comment ...

Lord Henley | 731 c331-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 4, as my noble friends have stated, provides the definition of the phrase, "““Invol...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c324 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I heard the Minister refer—I hope I did—to plans for resources for the security se...

Lord Henley | 731 c324-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one is always very careful when one speaks on these matters with a Treasury Minister sitti...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c325 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his careful answer to this short debate. I regret that h...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c325 (Link to this contribution) 9: Schedule 1, page 22, line 14, after ““hours”” insert ““reasonable””

Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c321-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having acknowledged on a number of occasions recently my capacity to fall to temptation wh...

Lord Henley | 731 c322 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as someone who started his ministerial career some 20 years ago sitting at the feet of my ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c322 (Link to this contribution) Does not the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, propose an even better way? Essentially, he is saying, first,...

Lord Henley | 731 c322-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I note what the noble Lord says, but I do not accept that. The power might be necessary in...

Lord Henley | 731 c327-9 (Link to this contribution) I hope I can give my noble friend the appropriate assurances. I will just touch on the individual am...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c325-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 10 to 15. These are all amendments to the first schedule ...

Lord Pannick | 731 c320 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord can intervene as many times as he likes. I welcome his interventions. My answer to hi...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c320-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is being very kind in accepting all these interventions, but this is an important poi...

Lord Pannick | 731 c320 (Link to this contribution) Of course, the learned judge was considering the exercise of the powers that are contained under the...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c320 (Link to this contribution) I promise not to intervene on the noble Lord’s speech again but he is ducking the question. Does he ...

Lord Pannick | 731 c320 (Link to this contribution) I am coming to that, but let us at the outset recognise the impact of a relocation measure. If one i...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c320 (Link to this contribution) I know that the noble Lord eats legal authorities for breakfast, probably literally sometimes. I wou...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c320 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord address the evidence given by the deputy assistant commissioner, which I know he...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 731 c321 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the Government on this issue. It does not surprise me at all that if the G...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c321 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the Government and I am very much with the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. If my...

Lord Pannick | 731 c321 (Link to this contribution) We will hear from the Minister in relation to that in a moment. I am satisfied that a sensible and f...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c339 (Link to this contribution) 39: Clause 8, line 5, leave out ““(if possible)””

Lord Pannick | 731 c338-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 49. These amendments concern the disclosure of information...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 731 c340 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. I disclose that I ac...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c339-40 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely support what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, said. My amendments to both his amendments w...

Lord Henley | 731 c341-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, asked two questions: first, do we accept that the AF princip...

Lord Henley | 731 c336-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we seem to be moving at quite a speed. My noble friend need not worry too much about her d...

Lord Pannick | 731 c338 (Link to this contribution) 38: Clause 8, page 4, line 26, at end insert— ““( ) Directions under subsection (5) must include a d...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c337-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, again I must read what has been said, but I believe that I am satisfied and will remain so...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c344-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 47, and will speak also to Amendments 48 and 51. Amendment 47 con...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c344 (Link to this contribution) 47: Schedule 3, page 31, line 20, leave out paragraph 1

Lord Henley | 731 c344 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to make only one point. I said at the beginning of business that I had only recentl...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c346 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask a question about that. The Minister said that the report laid by the Secretary of ...

Lord Henley | 731 c345-6 (Link to this contribution) I hope I can answer the noble Baroness’s three points on these three separate amendments, which we a...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c343 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall not detain the Committee long as we had a debate on this matter in the first group...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 731 c343 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may be for the convenience of the Committee if I report that there has been agreement a...

Lord Pannick | 731 c342-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his careful response and to all noble Lords who have spoken in thi...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c342 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment 39 (to Amendment 38) withdrawn.

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c349-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I applaud and support the sentiment behind my noble friend's amendment, but I suggest that...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c349 (Link to this contribution) The issue is that to this individual, being in prison is more acceptable than being in his place of ...

Lord Henley | 731 c350 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has been consistent over the years in her concern about the impact of cont...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c347-8 (Link to this contribution) 52: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause— ““Impact of measures (1) Within 28 days after ...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c347 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the reassurance on my Amendment 49, which takes a stand on a question of...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c349 (Link to this contribution) I do not quite understand the noble Baroness. Presumably this person was in breach of the control or...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c348-9 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 53. This would be a new clause dealing with a matter that I regard a...

Lord Henley | 731 c346-7 (Link to this contribution) The ingenuity of the noble Lord and others will find ways in which this House, which seems to have a...

Lord Pannick | 731 c306 (Link to this contribution) Under the Bill as it is at the moment, the judiciary are involved at the later stage. If they are to...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c335-6 (Link to this contribution) No, not as ever, sometimes we are shoulder to shoulder. However, I congratulate the noble Baroness a...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 731 c340 (Link to this contribution) I speak in support of the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. As the lawyers here who a...

Baroness Hamwee | 731 c350-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I ought to take two minutes to withdraw the amendment—that might be obscure to anybody rea...

Lord Henley | 731 c310-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry if I misunderstood my noble friend; I am a simple soul in these matters. Howeve...

Lord Pannick | 731 c319 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I offer the Government my support on this issue of relocation. The noble Lord, Lord Carlil...

Lord Pannick | 731 c313 (Link to this contribution) I am simply trying to establish whether an assessment was made that a balance of probabilities test ...

Lord Rosser | 731 c341 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, which, as he said, are supported by the re...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 731 c344 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, who manages to make marmalade as well as being a senior Minister in this G...

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Counter-terrorism

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Terrorism prevention and investigation measures

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Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill 2010-12

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