My Lords, my name is put to this amendment and while I do not have a great deal to add to it, there is a certain difficulty here about how the existing text of Clause 4 is drafted. Clause 4(1) (b) states: "““conduct which facilitates the commission, preparation or instigation of such acts, or which is intended to do so””."
In other words, the provision covers somebody who has facilitated the commission, preparation or instigation of such acts but has not intended to do so. That is the possibility. It is perfectly possible, for instance, that someone in a shop may sell something that is, on the face of it and so far as that person knows, entirely harmless. Yet in fact it has a particular use to the person who is buying it. In Clause 4, this is conduct that facilitates the commission of an act of terrorism but that is never intended to do so.
It would be inappropriate to go ahead without some further amendment and the provision in Amendment 23 is perfectly appropriate for this purpose. It deals with, "““conduct which is intended to encourage or assist conduct falling within paragraph (a)””,"
or, "““conduct which is intended to assist individuals known or believed by the individual concerned to be involved in conduct falling within paragraphs (a) or (b)””."
That provision seems to cover the effect of Clause 4 a good deal more accurately than its present formation does. It seems to me that it is necessary to change the drafting of Clause 4 and that Amendment 23 is an appropriate way of doing it. It may be that another one can be thought of that is even better.
Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill
Proceeding contribution from
Lord Goodhart
(Liberal Democrat)
in the House of Lords on Wednesday, 19 October 2011.
It occurred during Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill.
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