Parliamentary search - Climate Change Bill [HL]

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698 c656-736

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2007-08

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Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

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Climate Change Bill (HL). (Explanatory Notes HL Bill 9-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
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Lord Rooker | 698 c734-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall be quick, as I have only a couple of minutes before this place closes down. The primary obj...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c733-4 (Link to this contribution) Many of the amendments proposed by the Opposition in Committee so far have dealt with the transparen...

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Lord Whitty | 698 c733 (Link to this contribution) I would like to speak to Amendment No. 184A, to which the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, has given a pos...

Lord Teverson | 698 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 184: 184: Before Clause 56, insert the following new Clause— ““Large corporati...

Lord Teverson | 698 c736 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I understand the question of timescale, but perhaps we could fin...

Lord Rooker | 698 c732 (Link to this contribution) I am only going by the words that I read out. I said that if the agency were to refuse a certificate...

Lord Teverson | 698 c731 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. Given the reporting that has to be made to the administrator by...

Lord Teverson | 698 c732 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. Since we tabled the amendment I believe the European Commission...

Lord Teverson | 698 c729 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183ZK: 183ZK: Schedule 6, page 62, line 6, at end insert— ““(3) It is the duty...

Lord Greaves | 698 c728-9 (Link to this contribution) On that basis there is more reading in Hansard for us all, and more looking at the Bill. I am gratef...

Lord Rooker | 698 c730-1 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, said, this is an incredibly important amendment. While the Governmen...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c730 (Link to this contribution) The amendment raises an interesting point: renewable fuel must be genuinely renewable. The market fo...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c728 (Link to this contribution) I have said that we will do that. I have been given a helpful note that reminds me that the enabling...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c728 (Link to this contribution) I am reminded by my noble friend Lord Rooker that it is the answer.

Lord Rooker | 698 c728 (Link to this contribution) It is the answer.

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c726 (Link to this contribution) I want to say for the record that no authority will be forced to use these powers. They are enabling...

Lord Greaves | 698 c726 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for allowing to me speak. Clause 54 is not about the pilots; it concerns ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c726 (Link to this contribution) I might be missing something here. This is all about giving local authorities the opportunity to com...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c725-6 (Link to this contribution) We have some sympathy with the intention underlying this amendment, but await with interest the Mini...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c727-8 (Link to this contribution) I apologise unreservedly if I am not being clear. I shall be happy to go through Hansard, look at th...

Lord Greaves | 698 c727 (Link to this contribution) It does help but I do not understand why it should not be on the face of the Bill. As I have said be...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c727 (Link to this contribution) We have been very specific in earlier debates about the kind of criteria for the pilots. The whole p...

Lord Greaves | 698 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183ZJ: 183ZJ: Clause 54, page 24, line 12, at end insert— ““( ) An order made ...

Lord Rooker | 698 c676-8 (Link to this contribution) I touched on this issue in general terms when I dealt with Clause 51. We have to trust local governm...

Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 698 c676 (Link to this contribution) I say to my noble friend that I think there is some merit in what the Government are doing here. In ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c680 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183E: 183E: Schedule 5, page 56, leave out lines 5 to 7 The noble Lord said: ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s last comment correcting my arithmetic, or perhaps I misread the fig...

Lord Greaves | 698 c681 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for that, but that is not the advice that I have had from local government lawyer...

Lord Greaves | 698 c681 (Link to this contribution) I think I am grateful for that. Obviously I will look at this again, but at this stage I am extremel...

Lord Rooker | 698 c681 (Link to this contribution) I do not have to write to the noble Lord; I shall answer him now. I have the finest brains in Whiteh...

Lord Greaves | 698 c681 (Link to this contribution) It was my confusion: I do beg the Minister’s pardon, I meant Amendment No. 183E—the first amendment....

Lord Rooker | 698 c681 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 183FA would apply schemes to ““composite hereditaments”” and "““in relation to… domest...

Lord Rooker | 698 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) This is a legitimate and practical question but unfortunately, at this stage, one to which I do not ...

Baroness Byford | 698 c714 (Link to this contribution) I understand what the Minister has clarified for me and I am grateful for that. However, it still di...

Lord Greaves | 698 c713 (Link to this contribution) I think I have the reassurance I wanted that it will be summary accounts and not detailed individual...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c713 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183YA: 183YA: Schedule 5, page 59, leave out lines 15 to 17 The noble Lord sa...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c713 (Link to this contribution) As we discussed earlier, the requirement for waste reduction schemes to be revenue-neutral is a key ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c717 (Link to this contribution) At this time of night I am fairly satisfied with those answers. They are as good as I had hoped for ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183Z: 183Z: Schedule 5, page 60, line 5, at end insert— ““(5) The revocation o...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c714 (Link to this contribution) I too am grateful to the Minister for explaining that it was not necessarily possible to give me an ...

Duke of Montrose | 698 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 183VA refers to new sub-paragraph (1) and the waste collection authority. It is slight...

Lord Rooker | 698 c710-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, was worried about that last point. I try to keep ahead of things but I should have asked abo...

Lord Greaves | 698 c711 (Link to this contribution) I want to ask the Minister a specific question, so perhaps I can ask that straight away and he can a...

Lord Rooker | 698 c711 (Link to this contribution) That is a good, specific question to which I have a specific answer, although it is not written down...

Lord Greaves | 698 c709 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183VA: 183VA: Schedule 5, page 57, line 38, at end insert— ““( ) In making the...

Lord Greaves | 698 c712 (Link to this contribution) Waste partnerships were made possible by the Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Act, ...

Lord Rooker | 698 c712 (Link to this contribution) That is a brilliant question for which I need some additional advice, and I am not certain whether I...

Baroness Byford | 698 c712 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for clarification on that. It is quite likely, or at least I hope it i...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c712 (Link to this contribution) A single waste collection authority.

Lord Rooker | 698 c722 (Link to this contribution) I need better advice on this, but we have to be realistic. There will be five pilots in the whole of...

Lord Greaves | 698 c722 (Link to this contribution) I am now convinced of what I thought when I listened to the discussion. When the pilots start is not...

Lord Rooker | 698 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) We are getting into too much detail now. The pilot would stop but it would not be a pilot then. The ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c722 (Link to this contribution) It seems a nonsense for an authority to have to stop, because the rollout has not happened yet natio...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) I know that my noble friend has already agreed to consider an amendment similar to Amendment No. 183...

Lord Greaves | 698 c724 (Link to this contribution) I am a little confused. It is normal to set out in primary legislation which orders and regulations ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c723 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183ZF: 183ZF: Clause 54, page 23, line 40, leave out ““one or more”” and inser...

Duke of Montrose | 698 c723 (Link to this contribution) I am a little disappointed that the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, did not make quite as much of Amendmen...

Lord Greaves | 698 c724 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, and on that basis I can do nothing else; I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amen...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c724 (Link to this contribution) May I offer a little clarity? My noble friend has agreed to consider the previous amendment, and he ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c717 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183ZC: 183ZC: Clause 52, page 23, line 13, at end insert— ““( ) The period spe...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c718 (Link to this contribution) Both of these amendments concern issues that we feel the Government have not properly covered in the...

Lord Dixon-Smith | 698 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) I have just two further questions, to which I am sure the Minister will have the answer. We will alm...

Lord Rooker | 698 c719-20 (Link to this contribution) In the case put by the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, I hope that the answer will be no. My caveat is...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c720 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for the way in which he has been going through the amendments. I ...

Lord Rooker | 698 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) I go well beyond what I have written in front of me here, because I am not happy with the situation ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c721 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister.

Lord Rooker | 698 c721 (Link to this contribution) Forgive me. I was answering the specific question asked by the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith. He aske...

Lord Greaves | 698 c721 (Link to this contribution) So am I. We started talking about the period of the pilots and we have got into some extremely impor...

Lord Greaves | 698 c721 (Link to this contribution) But could they stop on 31 March and start again on 1 April, rolling it out across the area?

Lord Greaves | 698 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that full reply. On the last issue, she has almost convinced me th...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c687-9 (Link to this contribution) I found the debate extremely interesting, and a thought leapt into my head that I wish to share. A c...

Lord Rooker | 698 c693-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, for discussing charging. I regret that my reply will ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c695-6 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the Minister for that long explanation. This is one of those occasions wh...

Lord Greaves | 698 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183NA: 183NA: Schedule 5, page 56, leave out lines 34 to 36 The noble Lord sa...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) This is a very interesting amendment. I shall try to be quick in responding. As I have said three ti...

Lord Greaves | 698 c691 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for those comments. It was a kite-flying amendment. The answer to the question of the ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c690 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183M: 183M: Schedule 5, page 56, line 25, at end insert— ““( ) Each waste coll...

Duke of Montrose | 698 c690 (Link to this contribution) We in some ways support the principle of the idea, but could it be done without too much tedious det...

Lord Rooker | 698 c681 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 183E would remove the language defining the unit to which the waste reduction scheme w...

Lord Crickhowell | 698 c686-7 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to speak again in Committee—no doubt, the Minister will be greatly relieved to he...

Lord Greaves | 698 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) I will withdraw it in a minute or two. I am grateful to the Minister for saying that there had to be...

Lord Greaves | 698 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183H: 183H: Schedule 5, page 56, line 15, leave out ““and”” The noble Lord sa...

Duke of Montrose | 698 c685-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, for clarifying Amendment No. 183J. We certainly agree with him...

Lord Rooker | 698 c681 (Link to this contribution) We are not having a meeting of minds here. Do the Government anticipate that there could be a street...

Lord Rooker | 698 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is exactly what I have just said. It would be up to the local authority to say which kind ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c682 (Link to this contribution) I will withdraw the amendment but, before doing so, the idea that some people will be paying extra t...

Lord Greaves | 698 c682 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183G: 183G: Schedule 5, page 56, line 14, leave out from beginning to ““and”” ...

Lord Greaves | 698 c705-6 (Link to this contribution) I am doing my best to scrutinise the Bill in a responsible, sensible and constructive way but, the m...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c705 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that intervention. She is absolutely right: we must not allow this to...

Baroness Byford | 698 c704-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for her response but perhaps I may press her a little further. First, ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c703-4 (Link to this contribution) All this talk about one's bins outside one's house makes me feel very homesick, when I think about w...

Lord Greaves | 698 c707 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Duke tell us when such legislation was introduced in Scotland?

Duke of Montrose | 698 c707 (Link to this contribution) Pass.

Lord Greaves | 698 c706-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183U: 183U: Schedule 5, page 57, leave out lines 29 to 31 The noble Lord said...

Duke of Montrose | 698 c707 (Link to this contribution) It is quite interesting to see this group of amendments being moved by the noble Lord, Lord Greaves....

Lord Rooker | 698 c707-8 (Link to this contribution) I have now forgotten my punchline. The noble Duke’s last point was going to be my opening gambit. F...

Lord Greaves | 698 c708-9 (Link to this contribution) I will defend myself briefly in a minute. I think that if any local authorities are daft enough to b...

Lord Greaves | 698 c696-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183PA: 183PA: Schedule 5, page 56, line 38, leave out from beginning to end of...

Lord Rooker | 698 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has raised an issue relating to the ways in which local authorities might be able to ...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c697 (Link to this contribution) In the spirit of this being a probing amendment, charges to receptacles provided for homeowners, ten...

Lord Greaves | 698 c698 (Link to this contribution) I think that was helpful, and I thank the Minister for his reply. He mentioned anaerobic digestion, ...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c699 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183PB: 183PB: Schedule 5, page 57, leave out line 4 The noble Earl said: The ...

Lord Rooker | 698 c699-700 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can answer the noble Earl’s questions. Because our debates get compartmentalised, I al...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c700 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Minister for explaining, on Amendments Nos. 183PB and 183RA, that it is not a reve...

Lord Greaves | 698 c700-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183R: 183R: Schedule 5, page 57, line 14, after ““amount”” insert ““by weight”...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c702 (Link to this contribution) On Amendment No. 183R, we are not in favour of charging at all. Some existing schemes work in that r...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183BB: 183BB: Schedule 5, page 55, line 36, after ““waste,”” insert— ““( ) to ...

Lord Rooker | 698 c670 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for that. I will see whether I can get that information on the £94 million; it was not i...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) The first two amendments, if accepted, would make the Bill read: "““A waste reduction scheme ... mus...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness was very fair in what she said. I wanted to suggest that I thought it unfortunate...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c673 (Link to this contribution) To come back on the junk mail/charity mail point, I know that thinking is going on in another part o...

Baroness Byford | 698 c672 (Link to this contribution) I come back with a rider. I wonder whether before the Bill came into being the Government took into ...

Lord Avebury | 698 c672 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord mentioned McDonald's, and I am constrained to say that fast-food establishments creat...

Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 698 c672 (Link to this contribution) In high streets where there are a number of houses and flats and a number of small shops all mixed u...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to respond to this brief debate. My noble friend Lord Rooker has given us quite a com...

Lord Greaves | 698 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who took part in this brief general debate and the Minister for his comments. I ...

Lord Rooker | 698 c656 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c659-60 (Link to this contribution) The Climate Change Bill is framework legislation, but here in Part 5 a very specific provision is bo...

Lord Greaves | 698 c657-9 (Link to this contribution) At long last we have arrived at Part 5, of which Schedule 5 makes up a great deal. Here we move from...

Lord Rooker | 698 c663-7 (Link to this contribution) As we enter the last laps of Committee, I hope that your Lordships will be pleased that we managed t...

Lord Crickhowell | 698 c660-3 (Link to this contribution) Like my noble friend Lord Cathcart and the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, I am not impressed by this rath...

Lord Rooker | 698 c668 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I had covered the first point of the noble Baroness, Lady Byford, but probably not ad...

Baroness Byford | 698 c667-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord responds, can I ask the Minister a couple of things? I am very pleas...

Lord Rooker | 698 c668 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is absolutely right to raise the issue, which comes up in one of the amendments. We w...

Lord Dearing | 698 c668 (Link to this contribution) In welcoming the pilots, I have one question for the Minister—in one sentence. Will he satisfy himse...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c727 (Link to this contribution) I want to be sure that I am straight on this. The noble Baroness is saying that a local authority ha...

Lord Rooker | 698 c716-7 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to comment on the levels of scrutiny between the two Houses because it varies. There a...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 698 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord has just explained, this amendment suggests removing the part of the sub-paragraph...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 698 c728 (Link to this contribution) I hope the Minister will forgive me, but the concern we are expressing is not about the intention; r...

Lord Rooker | 698 c680-1 (Link to this contribution) I think I can dispose of this quite quickly without going through my speech if I tell the noble Lord...

Lord Rooker | 698 c712 (Link to this contribution) It is a single waste collection authority that would come forward with the plan. That will be a sing...

Earl Cathcart | 698 c692-3 (Link to this contribution) There seems to be an acceptance that everyone covered by a scheme will use all of it. It is quite co...

Baroness Byford | 698 c702-3 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend's amendments and sympathise with those of the Liberal Democrats. I hope th...

Lord Greaves | 698 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183C: 183C: Schedule 5, page 56, line 3, leave out ““may”” and insert ““must””...

Lord Greaves | 698 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183Y: 183Y: Schedule 5, page 58, leave out lines 23 to 34 The noble Lord said...

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Companies

Climate change

Biofuels

Fees and charges

Environment protection

Landfill

Food

Fuels

Domestic waste

Incinerators

Local government

Pilot schemes

Pollution control

Recycling

Packaging

Standards

Transport

Waste management

Carbon emissions

Greenhouse gas emissions

Aluminium

Legislation

Climate Change Bill (HL) 2007-08

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