Climate Change Bill [HL]

moved Amendment No. 183VA: 183VA: Schedule 5, page 57, line 38, at end insert— ““( ) In making the calculations under sub-paragraph (1) the waste collection authority shall take into account the administrative and other costs that are attributable to the scheme, including any costs that are offset by any contributions made by the waste disposal authority and the government.”” The noble Lord said: I shall speak also to Amendment No. 183W. This goes back to the question of revenue neutrality. We have covered a lot of this so I shall not go over the same ground again. Can the Minister tell us how he thinks this is going to be financed if it comes to a rollout affecting 62 per cent of the households in the country? How on earth can the costs of setting up and administering it, at least in the early days which perhaps will be informed by the pilots, be met? Does he have any views about that? The second amendment seeks to scrutinise a bit of the Bill that seems to contradict what the Minister has been saying about how this will always be revenue neutral on the basis of charges made against people being used to provide rebates or bonuses for those who do well. On page 57, new paragraph 7(2) and (3) seems to imply that the Secretary of State may, by order, amend this and change it so that it would not be revenue neutral in the future. Is my interpretation correct and, if it is, would the Minister comment on it?