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Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 4 February 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bates.
Lords report stage second day. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 93). (Part 2 of 2.)
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
759 cc726-774 
Session
2014-15
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill 2014-15. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 28 January 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill 2014-15. As amended on Report.
Wednesday, 4 February 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c726 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Phillips of Sudbury

14B: Clause 28, page 18, line 39, at end insert—

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c727 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 14B, and my learned—not my learned—


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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 cc727-9 (Link to this contribution)

My—admirable and brilliant—noble friend Lady Williams is a co-signatory to that amendment and is ...

Viscount Hanworth | 759 cc729-730 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had an opportunity earlier this afternoon to read the letter from the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Bates | 759 c730 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for moving this amendment and giving the opportunity to put one...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 759 cc730-2 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Minister but I was not aware that he was going to respond to the amendment now...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 759 c733 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may briefly follow my noble friend Lady Williams. I declare an interest as a ...

Lord Bates | 759 cc733-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this brief debate. There have been ...

Lord Scriven | 759 c734 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has given those figures, but it also says clearly in the impact assessment that ther...

Lord Bates | 759 c734 (Link to this contribution)

That is a fair observation. We are in unknown territory, but in order to have an impact assessmen...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c734 (Link to this contribution)

The concern we have is that an assessment of their costs has not been made. As I said in moving t...

Lord Bates | 759 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious that we are rehearsing arguments from the previous debate. Our argument, in fairne...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 759 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I am a little worried because the argument is moving towards the costs of bureaucratic reviews an...

Lord Bates | 759 c735 (Link to this contribution)

Of course there is nothing in the Bill to say, stipulate or prescribe that, but there is nothing ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c735 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. I have to be honest with him and say that he has not addressed at all the n...

Lord Bates | 759 c735 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend rightly chides us to say that we do not want to be overly bureaucratic or impose ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 cc735-6 (Link to this contribution)

I have to disagree with the Minister. It seems to me extraordinary to argue that we cannot afford...

Lord Bates | 759 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I want to clarify a remark that I made earlier. The impact assessment, referring to the higher ed...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that, but I want to say a word on the second amendment. Most of the debate has ...

Lord Bates | 759 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that I can add a great deal more to what I have already said on this point, but I a...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c736 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very fair way of wrapping this up, but just to make this clear, the Minister did not re...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 759 c737 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Crosby

14D: Clause 28, page 19, line 6, at end insert—<...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 759 c737 (Link to this contribution)

I have a very simple and totally inexpensive proposal, which is that in issuing the guidance the ...

Lord Bates | 759 c737 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to put this point on the record without further reflection. I believe that b...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 759 c737 (Link to this contribution)

In the light of that helpful response, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Bates | 759 c737 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bates

14E: Clause 28, page 19, line 7, at end insert—

“(4A) Guida...

Lord Bates | 759 cc737-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to government Amendments 14E, 14G and 15E. This group also includes Amend...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 759 c738 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of the Joint Committee on Human Rights I would like to say how much I welcome...

Baroness Brinton | 759 c738 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on Amendment 14F and I also want to thank the Minister for his Amendment 14E...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 759 cc738-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very welcome amendment that the Minister has moved, and I would like to thank...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c740 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, several groupings of amendments today and previously have called for quite a tour de fo...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c740 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have one more technical question to ask the Minister; I have given him notice of it. ...

Lord Rosser | 759 cc740-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief. We thank the Minister for the meetings we have had with him on the Pre...

Lord Bates | 759 c741 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the wide welcome which the amendments have received from your Lordshi...

Lord Bates | 759 c741 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bates

14G: Clause 28, page 19, line 10, leave out “and (3)” and insert ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 759 c742 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Lister of Burtersett

15A: Clause 28, page 19, line 15, at end inser...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 759 cc742-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 15A, I shall speak also to Amendment 15C in my name and that of oth...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 cc743-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, on Amendments 15A and 15C, to which I have a...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 759 c746 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 15B in my name and that of my noble friends Lady Brinton, ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 759 c747 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the Minister is not prepared to accept Amendment 15B, can he assure the House that a...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 759 c747 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have one short point, which has not been raised before, to add to this part of the de...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 c747 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been an interesting debate. I particularly want to look at Amendments 15A and 15...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 c747 (Link to this contribution)

If a university has a group of people who want to hold a meeting, or if an academic wants to brin...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 c748 (Link to this contribution)

It is quite a leap to say that a challenge to the Government automatically becomes something extr...

Lord Bates | 759 cc748-750 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will just deal with a few points from this debate. This group of amendments deals wit...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 759 c750 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who spoke in support of Amendments 15A and 15C, in particular t...

Lord Bates | 759 c750 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bates

15D: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause—

“Fre...

Lord Bates | 759 c750 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bates

15E: Clause 33, page 21, line 18, leave out “Assembly”

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c751 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

15F: Clause 34, page 21, line 30, leave out “in place” and i...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 cc751-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to Amendments 15G, 15H and 15J. I referred at the start of this after...

Lord Bates | 759 cc752-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friends for tabling these amendments and allowing us to retur...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c753 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, I should say that he referred to Clause 39, where the reference...

Lord Bates | 759 c754 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we will look again at any suggestions, particular one coming from the borough of Sutton...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c754 (Link to this contribution)

On that basis, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c754 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

15K: After Clause 39, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Hamwee | 759 cc754-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have referred previously to the cost of the statutory duties—in relation not just to ...

Lord Scriven | 759 cc755-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Hamwee, and I thank the Minister for guiding the Bill so a...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 c756 (Link to this contribution)

I have a very brief comment. I listened with great interest to the noble Lord’s comments. I think...

Lord Bates | 759 cc756-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in considering these amendments, I defer to the extensive and detailed local government...

Lord Scriven | 759 c758 (Link to this contribution)

The impact assessment states that extra work will happen because of the statutory duty, so the Go...

Lord Bates | 759 c758 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to look at that. We are consulting on this. A little bit like the discussion we had on...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c758 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, am bemused about whether this is a new burden or whether the cost will be nil. ...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 c759 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ashton of Hyde

16: Before Clause 42, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 cc759-763 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to have the opportunity to return to Part 7 of the Bill today, and particu...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

16A: Before Clause 42, line 12, at end insert—

“(e) Pa...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 cc763-4 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the government amendments. In my clumsy way, I tried to deal with the issues raised by ...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 cc764-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee. This amendment derives from the work of the ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 759 cc765-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not follow my noble friend Lady Hamwee and the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan, on A...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 cc766-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too am grateful for the consideration that the Government have given to this matter a...

Baroness Ludford | 759 c767 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, given the hour, I think we can all agree that the independent reviewer is...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 cc767-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we glide through the final hour of the day, it is appropriate that we also glide thr...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 c768 (Link to this contribution)

The way the noble Baroness talked about the relationship between the independent reviewer and the...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I think that there is probably an element of face-saving in calling it a board. The amendment mak...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 cc768-770 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. They were broadly in support—although I fear t...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 c770 (Link to this contribution)

How can there be duplication if the Government were to include Part 2 of the Act and appoint the ...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 c771 (Link to this contribution)

The review that the noble Baroness referred to was what Parliament laid down in the Act. That was...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c771 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is late, but it has been a worthwhile discussion and I am glad to have had support, ...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 cc771-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ashton of Hyde

17: Before Clause 42, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ashton of Hyde

18: Clause 42, page 27, line 31, leave out paragraph (b)...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 cc772-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ashton of Hyde

20: Clause 45, page 29, line 22, at end insert—

“(...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 759 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ashton of Hyde

21: Clause 48, page 30, line 13, leave out “section” and...

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