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Infrastructure Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 8 July 2014, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Kramer.
Lords committee second day. Clauses 4 to 15 agreed to, with clauses 13 and 14 agreed to as amended. Schedule 3 agreed to. Clause 16 under consideration when Committee adjourned.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
755 cc39-98GC 
Session
2014-15
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Infrastructure Bill (HL) 2014-15
Thursday, 5 June 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee second report.
Wednesday, 25 June 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Geddes | 755 c39GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as is usual on such occasions, I must advise the Grand Committee that if there is a Div...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c39GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

32: Clause 4, page 3, line 20, at end insert “includin...


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Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 cc39-40GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 32 is designed to probe two issues: the motivation behind the move to a strat...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c40GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friends on this amendment. It may well be that in her reply the Mini...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 755 cc40-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I take this opportunity to thank my noble friend and her private office for the help th...

Lord Whitty | 755 cc41-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment because it raises wider issues. Although I do not want to go ov...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc42-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me deal with a couple of issues. I will be talking about fines under the next group...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c43GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has produced the best reply possible while giving little hard information ...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 c44GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bradshaw

34: Clause 5, page 3, line 32, leave out “Secretary of State” ...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 cc44-5GC (Link to this contribution)

This brings us to another clause and concerns the payment of fines, to which reference was just m...

Lord Whitty | 755 c45GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with much of what the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, has said, but of course the pr...

Lord Berkeley | 755 cc45-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support these amendments. It is very difficult to see how the Secretary of State...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c46GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have sufficient sympathy with these amendments that I hope we will be able to attract...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc46-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank your Lordships. I want to make clear that the Office of Rail Regulation in its role as a ...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c47GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I want to go back to the performance criteria that she menti...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc47-8GC (Link to this contribution)

What we are doing now is basically setting up implementation vehicles. That is the purpose of thi...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 c48GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for that reply. I do not see the difference between the SHC and Networ...

Lord Whitty | 755 c48GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

41: Clause 8, page 5, line 24, at end insert—

“( ) In all ...

Lord Whitty | 755 c49GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief on this amendment because the main discussion of Passenger Focus is in ...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c49GC (Link to this contribution)

I am going to confuse the Committee because my Amendment 42, which we will come on to shortly, su...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 755 c49GC (Link to this contribution)

It sounds a very good name. However, might there not be some confusion with another body with the...

Lord Judd | 755 c49GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that this amendment deserves full-hearted support. What has raised a great deal...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc49-50GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that we may again be confusing a legal name and a trade name. For example, ther...

Lord Judd | 755 c50GC (Link to this contribution)

I put it to the Minister that the purpose of having this kind of discussion in a Committee format...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc50-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may just explain. We have had a number of conversations about the wider community who m...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c51GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Bill refers to the Passengers’ Council, which is clearly wrong, and we have all com...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c51GC (Link to this contribution)

I should point out to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, that it is the Passengers’ Council today; th...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 755 c51GC (Link to this contribution)

Would it be open to the body to change its own name for popular use? I cite the example of the bo...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c51GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Jenkin of Roding, is exactly right. Passengers’ Council is the legal name of...

Lord Judd | 755 c52GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister could clarify one point. I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, gave a ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c52GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I assumed that the Minister was indicating that of course there would need to be legisl...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c52GC (Link to this contribution)

So many of your Lordships have been really helpful on this point. I clearly have not been very cl...

Lord Whitty | 755 c53GC (Link to this contribution)

I think that the Minister has been very clear in her latest remarks, but the point that I would m...

Lord Berkeley | 755 cc53-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

42: Clause 8, page 5, line 25, leave out subsections (1) and (...

Lord Berkeley | 755 cc54-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 42, I shall also speak to some of the other amendments in this grou...

Lord Judd | 755 c55GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I warmly support what my noble friend has said. I should say at the outset of our delib...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c55GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have major doubts about whether the Passengers’ Council will provide an adequate for...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 755 cc56-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, with great interest, and I have been ponde...

Lord Judd | 755 c57GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if this Committee is doing nothing else, it is giving us a wonderful opportunity to hea...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 755 c57GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to prolong this, but is that not the function of the planning system rather than of...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c57GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have memories of motorways. The M25 went around the north of the constituency t...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c58GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to prolong this discussion for much longer, but some of us, in setting ou...

Lord Whitty | 755 cc58-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled two amendments but I want to comment briefly on what has been said. I fin...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc59-60GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in this set of amendments we are dealing with the watchdog. We will come on to the moni...

Lord Whitty | 755 c60GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may just clarify that. It will certainly be the company’s first responsibilit...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c60GC (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that “Road User Focus” will be able to see right through to the complaints to...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c60GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether I may probe the Minister a bit more. With the railways, on most trains...

Lord Judd | 755 c60GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just as the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, was quite right to emphasise the importance of the...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c61GC (Link to this contribution)

I would say first to the noble Lord, Lord Judd, that the watchdog is just one part of the total f...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c61GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this very interesting debate. W...

Lord Whitty | 755 c62GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

43: Clause 8, page 5, line 25, after “must” insert “establish a ...

Lord Whitty | 755 c62GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 45. Amendment 43 deals with the role of the Passengers’...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc62-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, is absolutely right that Passenger Focus also works on bus...

Lord Whitty | 755 c63GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at least we have on the record the assurance that it will be funded—and, one hopes, on ...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c63GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

52: Clause 8, page 6, line 12, at end insert—

“Network R...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c63GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 52A. This is to do with freedom of information. In Clau...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc63-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley. This is an opportunity to clarify some points on...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c64GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that helpful reply. With regard to Network Rail, I think that s...

Lord Whitty | 755 c64GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

53: Clause 9, page 6, line 20, at end insert—

“(c) proposi...

Lord Whitty | 755 cc64-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 58 in this group.

The first amendment is to make ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c65GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have amendments grouped with those of my noble friend Lord Whitty, and I agree with a...

Lord Berkeley | 755 cc65-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled two amendments in this group, but I shall speak to the whole group becaus...

Viscount Hanworth | 755 c67GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to lend strong support to Amendment 56 in the name of my noble friend Lord Berke...

Lord Judd | 755 cc67-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, frankly, I am not very optimistic about the messages that are being put forward from th...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc68-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank your Lordships for a wide range of amendments that address the monitor at the O...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c69GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is absolutely right that there are differences, but a specific role of the ORR—its r...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc69-72GC (Link to this contribution)

Clearly there are similarities, which is one reason why we turned to the ORR—it has a lot of expe...

Lord Whitty | 755 cc72-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have found this discussion a little bizarre. Earlier, I felt that my noble friend Lor...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c73GC (Link to this contribution)

For clarity, is the noble Lord saying that it is his advice to his party that those decisions sho...

Lord Whitty | 755 c73GC (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords, I am saying that the policy has to be decided by the Secretary of State. I would qu...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 c73GC (Link to this contribution)

In the letter that the Minister sent me about practice in Europe, she makes reference to Sweden. ...

Lord Whitty | 755 c74GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps our Swedish colleagues can show us the way, and I bow to the knowledge of the n...

Lord Whitty | 755 c74GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

59: Clause 10, page 7, line 11, at end insert—

“( ) Where ...

Lord Whitty | 755 c74GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the Minister will have no difficulty in accepting Amendment 59 because I think she...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc74-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will resist this being put into the Bill because it will be in the supporting documen...

Lord Whitty | 755 c75GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for putting that assurance on the record so clearly. I never quite...

Lord Brougham and Vaux | 755 c75GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 61A is agreed, I cannot call Amendment 61AA due to pre-emption.

Amen...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c75GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

61A: Clause 13, page 9, line 25, leave out from “repea...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 cc75-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we come to a very serious part of the Bill. I doubt whether there is any Minister who d...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc76-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, most of these amendments concern the comments made by the Delegated Powers and Regulato...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c77GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government have made a shot at giving a response, but I do not need to point out to...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c77GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kramer

61AA: Clause 13, page 9, leave out line 26 and insert “the a...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kramer

61C: Clause 14, page 9, leave out line 34 and insert “the ap...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 755 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulkner of Worcester

63: After Clause 15, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 755 cc78-80GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 63, I remind the Committee that we in this House have debated the r...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all that the noble Lord opposite has said. I have been here for only 15 years...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 755 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to say that this is the first time that I have heard the argument advanced by th...

Lord Berkeley | 755 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support my noble friend’s amendment. The situation is a classic case of restrict...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, I have heard my noble friend Lord Faulkner wax lyrica...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

I point out to noble Lords and the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, that this issue appears to ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

I was not being critical at all. I was being anticipatorily hopeful.

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc82-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I say to the noble Lord, Lord Faulkner, that we have a great deal of sympathy with the issues tha...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 755 c83GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister, and I shall come to what she said in a moment. First, ho...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bradshaw

64: After Clause 15, insert the following new Clause—

“R...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 cc84-5GC (Link to this contribution)

This is the last of the road amendments but it is not the least. There are great problems with ou...

Lord Berkeley | 755 cc85-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are interesting amendments which, as the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, has said, cov...

Baroness Parminter | 755 c86GC (Link to this contribution)

I support the Minister looking closely at the amendment from my noble friend Lord Bradshaw for tw...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 cc86-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Bradshaw is nothing if not creative in his response to transport p...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c87GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, is quite right: this amendment is a creative ste...

Lord Bradshaw | 755 c88GC (Link to this contribution)

I drafted the amendment rather carefully so that it does not commit this Government to doing anyt...

Baroness Parminter | 755 c88GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Parminter

64A: Clause 16, page 10, line 29, after “9” insert “, exc...

Baroness Parminter | 755 cc88-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after the destruction of habitats, the introduction of invasive non-native species is p...

Lord Teverson | 755 cc89-90GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much support my noble friend’s amendment, to which I have added my name. I was l...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 755 cc90-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, strongly support this section of the Bill. It was very encouraging this morning...

Lord Teverson | 755 c91GC (Link to this contribution)

If I may interrupt the noble Lord, in Cornwall recently—last year, in fact—a company with which I...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 755 c91GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the appetites of the Corns are something to be praised in this respect. My point i...

Lord Berkeley | 755 cc91-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I bow to the expertise of previous speakers because I am no great expert in species. Th...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 cc92-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the main outline of the speech of the noble Barone...

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc93-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Davies, is absolutely right: £1.8 billion is the estimate of the c...

Baroness Parminter | 755 c94GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for those comments. It is encouraging that the comments from around the Comm...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

66: Clause 16, page 11, line 25, at end insert—

...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 cc96-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have quite a lot to say about this next amendment so I shall speed up as I respect th...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c97GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I need to be rapid in my response, so let me simply say we think an annual assessment o...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c97GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that reassurance is noted. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Kramer | 755 cc97-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kramer

69: Clause 16, page 13, line 36, at end insert—

“(2) U...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 69 clarifies that there is no requirement on an owner, or provision for an en...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 755 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is fairly rare for the Government to produce amendments unless they have been prompt...

Baroness Kramer | 755 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kramer

70: Clause 16, page 14, leave out line 12 and insert—

...

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