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Nuclear Energy (Financing) Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 3 November 2021, in the House of Commons, led by Greg Hands. The answering member was Alan Whitehead.
Second reading. Agreed to on division (319 to 44). Programme motion. Agreed to on division (256 to 80). Money resolution. Queen's recommendation signified. Agreed to on question. Ways and means resolution. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
702 cc973-1024 
Session
2021-22
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Nuclear Energy (Financing) Bill 2021-22
Tuesday, 26 October 2021
Bills
House of Commons
Nuclear Energy (Financing) Bill
Monday, 10 January 2022
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lindsay Hoyle | 702 c974 (Link to this contribution)

I inform the House that I have not selected either of the reasoned amendments.

3.57 pm

Greg Hands | 702 c974 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

I want to start by apologising the ...


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Greg Hands | 702 c974 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I will give way. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman could explain why the SNP is so resolutely ...

Alan Brown | 702 c974 (Link to this contribution)

I will do so later, but the Minister knows nuclear waste is a key issue. On proven technology wor...

Greg Hands | 702 cc974-5 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right, and we are looking at that technology, but I stress what I just said...

John Redwood | 702 c975 (Link to this contribution)

Does that not mean much more nuclear is needed if it is the preferred means of backing up wind? T...

Greg Hands | 702 c975 (Link to this contribution)

I have good news for my right hon. Friend, which is that the regulated asset base model that we a...

Neil Parish | 702 c975 (Link to this contribution)

Further to the question from my right hon. Friend the Member for Wokingham (John Redwood), Hinkle...

Greg Hands | 702 c975 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good case for supporting this Bill, which will allow the financing options...

Jonathan Edwards | 702 c975 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the problem with the Government’s proposals that the new financing model, which is very fa...

Greg Hands | 702 c975 (Link to this contribution)

No, actually. In fact, the ability to add levies or extra payments on to bills is already in plac...

Greg Hands | 702 cc975-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a bit more progress.

The Chancellor’s spending review backs this commitment by ...

Greg Hands | 702 c976 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a bit more progress.

However, it is clear that we need a new funding model to s...

Greg Hands | 702 c976 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make more progress.

But the lack of alternative funding models has led to the...

Greg Hands | 702 c976 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some more progress.

This legislation will facilitate financing of additi...

Mark Tami | 702 c976 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman. Does he agree that since the advanced gas-cooled reactor progra...

Greg Hands | 702 c976 (Link to this contribution)

I think the right hon. Gentleman is a supporter of the Bill and the approach being taken by the G...

Greg Hands | 702 cc976-7 (Link to this contribution)

Let me finish responding to the first intervention first. I was reading the 1997 Labour manifesto...

Mark Tami | 702 c977 (Link to this contribution)

I actually came here in 2001, but I will leave that there. I have been a long-time supporter of n...

Greg Hands | 702 c977 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman said he was first elected in 2001, but my guess is that he was a support...

Mark Jenkinson | 702 c977 (Link to this contribution)

Just to carry on the point about Labour’s involvement in this, I should point out that at his fin...

Greg Hands | 702 c977 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, do not often agree with Tony Blair, but it was good to see his conversion in the end, alb...

Greg Hands | 702 c977 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to make some progress. I have already given way to the hon. Gentleman.

The B...

Jill Mortimer | 702 c977 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my right hon. Friend on this landmark Bill, which will help us to reach our net ze...

Greg Hands | 702 c978 (Link to this contribution)

I visited my hon. Friend’s constituency with her two or three weeks ago—in fact, it was my first ...

Desmond Swayne | 702 c978 (Link to this contribution)

When will I be able to get one of these little modular, Rolls-Royce reactors?

Greg Hands | 702 c978 (Link to this contribution)

I think my right hon. Friend is referring to small modular reactors, the technology behind which ...

David Morris | 702 c978 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that eight sites around the UK currently have planning permission for new nuc...

Greg Hands | 702 c978 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill does not change the planning process, but it does change the investment case and the abi...

Greg Hands | 702 cc978-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make a bit more progress. I have taken a lot of interventions, and the time for thi...

Greg Hands | 702 c979 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a little more progress.

RAB is a tried and tested method that has successfully ...

Greg Hands | 702 c979 (Link to this contribution)

I will make progress.

The RAB model could open up opportunities for British companies and o...

Greg Hands | 702 c979 (Link to this contribution)

I will make more progress. I have taken a lot of interventions.

The legislation will also m...

Greg Hands | 702 cc979-980 (Link to this contribution)

I have given away enough.

Members will be reassured that a project starting construction in...

Greg Hands | 702 c980 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Member for Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Angus Brendan MacNeil) because I hav...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 702 c980 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. We had many a good exchange at that stage, but I ...

Greg Hands | 702 c980 (Link to this contribution)

As I have outlined, the Bill is about nuclear. Creating a more diverse potential finance base is ...

Greg Hands | 702 cc980-1 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to make more progress.

That saving equates to more than £10 a year for an av...

Greg Hands | 702 cc981-2 (Link to this contribution)

No; I am going to have to finish.

Members will know that the Scottish Government have a dif...

Alan Whitehead | 702 cc982-3 (Link to this contribution)

Labour believes that new nuclear has an important supporting role to play in the energy mix, alon...

John Redwood | 702 c983 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister is very thoughtful on these matters. How much standby capacity does he think ...

Alan Whitehead | 702 c983 (Link to this contribution)

Interestingly, the Climate Change Committee, which has looked into this matter in great depth, co...

Dan Poulter | 702 c983 (Link to this contribution)

Before the hon. Gentleman moves on from discussing the financing for Sizewell C, does he agree th...

Alan Whitehead | 702 c984 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right to say that the build cost and financing of a nuclear power station h...

Jonathan Edwards | 702 c984 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for the very considered manner in which he is presenting his case. Is ...

Alan Whitehead | 702 cc984-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member mentions tidal power. Of course, a regulated asset base system can be used for an...

Chris Skidmore | 702 c985 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Government’s action to introduce the regulated asset base funding model for the fin...

Deidre Brock | 702 c987 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member speaks of the baseload and the constant flow of energy from nuclear. Does h...

Chris Skidmore | 702 c987 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that we do not have a choice. We must look at every form of renewable energy, nuclear e...

Bob Stewart | 702 c987 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend knows a lot about these things. What percentage of our energy does he estima...

Chris Skidmore | 702 c987 (Link to this contribution)

That depends on the potential for innovation for the future. We have an energy crunch coming down...

Jonathan Edwards | 702 c987 (Link to this contribution)

I do not question the hon. Gentleman’s expertise or knowledge on this issue, but perhaps he can h...

Chris Skidmore | 702 cc988-9 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very important question. It is not just 2030 that I am concerned about, but 2025. Nucle...

Alan Brown | 702 cc989-990 (Link to this contribution)

Not for the first time I think I am going to express a minority view in the Chamber, but I am sur...

George Freeman | 702 c990 (Link to this contribution)

Just to correct the record, it does not at all mean I am not going to answer the hon. Gentleman’s...

Alan Brown | 702 c990 (Link to this contribution)

I was so hopeful that I was getting an answer there on the hundreds of billions of pounds that ar...

Deidre Brock | 702 c990 (Link to this contribution)

Further to those costs, we know that the permanent safe disposal of radioactive waste from nuclea...

Alan Brown | 702 cc990-1 (Link to this contribution)

It will be no surprise to hear that I have no confidence that the true costs of nuclear waste dis...

Mark Jenkinson | 702 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I am a huge supporter of tidal energy, but is it not the case that nuclear, given its energy dens...

Alan Brown | 702 c992 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the hon. Gentleman about nuclear being clean—oh, wait, apart from the rad...

Richard Graham | 702 c992 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman highlights the value of marine energy in Scotland and elsewhere; he and I are ...

Alan Brown | 702 cc992-3 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. I was happy to co-sign the cross-party letter from the all-party parliamentar...

Mark Jenkinson | 702 c993 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for allowing me to intervene again. I am a big supporter of pumped hyd...

Alan Brown | 702 cc993-4 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. That is my point. This is about utilising spare energy and then filling the reservoir...

David Morris | 702 cc994-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to be called to speak in the debate and to follow the excellent speech from the h...

Richard Graham | 702 c995 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some good points about the incredible efficiency of nuclear power operat...

David Morris | 702 cc995-6 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with my hon. Friend. We can take forward this model of heavy lifters, which is ho...

Sarah Olney | 702 cc996-7 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to speak in this debate.

If we did not al...

Mark Jenkinson | 702 c997 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady not prefer France’s decarbonised electricity model to Germany’s model of ever-...

Sarah Olney | 702 cc997-8 (Link to this contribution)

My remarks are about the UK power sector, but I take the hon. Gentleman’s point about Germany. Cl...

Anthony Browne | 702 c998 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making a strong case against nuclear power. Is she aware that it was her own par...

Sarah Olney | 702 c998 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I am fully aware of that; I just want to reitera...

Richard Graham | 702 c998 (Link to this contribution)

The position that I think the hon. Lady is taking is that the Liberal Democrats believe that all ...

Sarah Olney | 702 cc998-9 (Link to this contribution)

The current issue with renewables is one of storage, but the technology to address some of the pr...

Chris Green | 702 cc999-1000 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Richmond Park (Sarah Olney). It was interesting to...

Siobhan Baillie | 702 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly the point that Vulcain Engineering in Stroud has been explaining to me. We have a...

Chris Green | 702 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. We need to secure those jobs and we need, as early as possi...

Richard Graham | 702 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend rightly referred to the phrase “a fleet of nuclear power stations”. Of course, in ...

Chris Green | 702 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

That is such an important point. I agree entirely that we already have the larger-scale nuclear r...

Bob Stewart | 702 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

As I listen to discussions on the expansion of nuclear capability in this country, it slightly wo...

Chris Green | 702 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a really important point. The physical security is one aspect, but the cyber...

Alan Brown | 702 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

On security, I presume that the hon. Gentleman shares my concerns about China General Nuclear bei...

Chris Green | 702 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

I am concerned about the strategic national interest, but I think that most people at home would ...

Mark Jenkinson | 702 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

On security, the Office for Nuclear Regulation is considered to be one of the best nuclear regula...

Chris Green | 702 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely that there are huge challenges for the private sector to come up with the cash f...

Anthony Browne | 702 cc1001-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Bolton West (Chris Green). I speak wearin...

Chris Green | 702 c1002 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my concern that with nuclear we have existing established technologies ...

Anthony Browne | 702 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. As I said, we have had nuclear for 70 years and we know that it works. The po...

Alan Brown | 702 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is talking about demonising nuclear, but is having a £132 billion waste legacy...

Anthony Browne | 702 cc1003-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for raising that point, which I was going to come to. Clearly nuclear ...

Alun Cairns | 702 cc1005-6 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for calling me to speak in this important debate. I declare an inte...

David Jones | 702 cc1006-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow my right hon. Friend the Member for Vale of Glamorgan (Alun Cair...

Peter Aldous | 702 c1008 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to speak in support of this Bill, which facilitates the provision of a secure energy...

Virginia Crosbie | 702 cc1008-1010 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Waveney (Peter Aldous), who is so erudit...

James Daly | 702 cc1010-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow such a powerful, articulate, passionate speech, as I think everybody w...

Nigel Evans | 702 c1011 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the wind-ups, but the shadow Minister is slightly detained.

Alan Whitehead | 702 c1011 (Link to this contribution)

He’s gone to the loo, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Nigel Evans | 702 c1011 (Link to this contribution)

What do you want to say, Mr Goodwill? You have only just come in.

Robert Goodwill | 702 c1011 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I could say a few words if we have time. [Interruption.] Oh, he’s here now.

Nigel Evans | 702 cc1011-2 (Link to this contribution)

None the less, thank you for your consideration. Seamlessly, we now move on to the wind-ups. I ca...

Matthew Pennycook | 702 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

My apologies, Mr Deputy Speaker; I thought that another contributor was waiting to speak before m...

Alan Brown | 702 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

As I pointed out earlier—and the hon. Gentleman is well aware of this—much of the existing nuclea...

Matthew Pennycook | 702 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

I listened carefully, as I always do, to what the hon. Gentleman said in his speech. I think what...

Matthew Pennycook | 702 c1013 (Link to this contribution)

I will, but then I must make some progress.

Robert Goodwill | 702 c1013 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman also appreciate that we may need to generate large amounts of hydrogen, o...

Matthew Pennycook | 702 cc1013-4 (Link to this contribution)

I think we will need a range of technologies. Let me return to a point that has been made by seve...

George Freeman | 702 cc1014-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Greenwich and Woolwich (Matthew Pennycook), and I ...

George Freeman | 702 cc1015-8 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way. I am under time pressure and I need to deal with all the points that hav...

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