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Nuclear Energy (Financing) Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 10 January 2022, in the House of Commons, led by Kwasi Kwarteng. The answering member was Alan Brown.
Programme (No. 2) motion, varying the order of 3 November 2021. Agreed to on question. Report stage. New clause 1, discussed with various amendments, and withdrawn. Clause 1, amendment 1, negatived on division (204 to 316). Clause 6, amendment 9, negatived on division (207 to 315). Clause 7, amendment 3, negatived on division (207 to 315). Third reading. Agreed to on division (458 to 53).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
706 cc311-390 
Session
2021-22
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Nuclear Energy (Financing) Bill 2021-22
Tuesday, 26 October 2021
Bills
House of Commons
Nuclear Energy (Financing) Bill
Wednesday, 3 November 2021
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Alan Brown | 706 c312 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Nigel Evans | 706 cc312-4 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 1, in clause 1, page 1,...


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Alan Brown | 706 cc314-7 (Link to this contribution)

I express my condolences on the untimely passing of Jack Dromey. I pass on my sympathies to his f...

John Redwood | 706 c317 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is raising some important questions about cost and reliability. What is his re...

Alan Brown | 706 c318 (Link to this contribution)

My ideal recommendation would be not to invest in a new nuclear plant. That would be the first th...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 c318 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that increasingly, the view that we need a permanent base-load for ...

Alan Brown | 706 cc318-9 (Link to this contribution)

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Actually, as far back as 2015, Steve Halliday, the then chief e...

John Redwood | 706 cc319-320 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome proposals that will create more generating capacity in the United Kingdom. As the Minis...

Bob Seely | 706 c320 (Link to this contribution)

The purpose of small modular nuclear reactors—we are going to be building 10 or 15 of them—is to ...

John Redwood | 706 c320 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. I fear I may be wandering a little from the actual Bill, Mr Deputy Speaker, but given the ge...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 c320 (Link to this contribution)

As a lifelong anti-nuclear power campaigner, I could not fail to speak in this debate or to repre...

John Redwood | 706 c320 (Link to this contribution)

What difference would it have made if we had had double our wind capacity in recent weeks when it...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 c321 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, there is the potential for offshore wind, particularly further out where the wind blow...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 cc321-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way again.

Renewable energy is the future, and we in the UK are ideally pla...

Nigel Evans | 706 c322 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I have been incredibly generous, as I was to Sir John Redwood. Could the hon. Lady tell me...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 c322 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker; I am coming to the end. I could not miss the opportunity to speak i...

Virginia Crosbie | 706 c322 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate. As the co-founder of the nuclear delivery group, along ...

Alan Brown | 706 c322 (Link to this contribution)

When the hon. Member speaks to the amendments, will she explain why she opposes any of them? I wo...

Virginia Crosbie | 706 c322 (Link to this contribution)

Several of the amendments that the hon. Member mentioned relate to information flow and financing...

Nigel Evans | 706 c322 (Link to this contribution)

Order. It would be really useful when people are contributing on Report if they could mention som...

Charlotte Nichols | 706 c323 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the return of this important Bill from Committee and I am pleased to support it, as is ...

Mark Jenkinson | 706 c324 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Member have any figures on how many of those jobs in Warrington might be put at ris...

Charlotte Nichols | 706 c324 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have the data on my person at this point, but ultimately more jobs are at risk in Warrin...

Bob Seely | 706 c324 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendments 1 and 2. If I have time, I will get to amendment 9, but I will spea...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 c324 (Link to this contribution)

I am not speaking on behalf of Germany, because Germany is in a very different position from that...

Bob Seely | 706 cc324-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am half German and I think my German relatives would confirm that they have wind in Germany. [I...

Alan Brown | 706 c325 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman spoke about the importance of nuclear to get to net zero, but the UK Governmen...

Bob Seely | 706 cc325-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a perfectly sensible point, but his argument that we can do it all with ...

Jim Shannon | 706 c326 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate, and I am grateful for the opportunity to do so.

I...

Alan Brown | 706 c326 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that the hon. Gentleman is saying that he would welcome new nuclear power. I mention...

Jim Shannon | 706 cc326-7 (Link to this contribution)

If only we had the opportunity of a nuclear power station in Northern Ireland! We do not have tha...

Richard Graham | 706 cc327-8 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure it is to join the debate. One of the most enjoyable moments for me was to hear th...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 c328 (Link to this contribution)

We always say that in the past it delivered so much energy, but what about the radioactive waste ...

Nigel Evans | 706 c328 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I just remind Richard Graham before he continues that the new clause and amendments should...

Richard Graham | 706 c328 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker. I would have made precisely the same observation—that we must f...

Neil Parish | 706 c328 (Link to this contribution)

The need for a baseload of nuclear power of up to 25% is apparent. Big nuclear power stations suc...

Richard Graham | 706 c328 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s comments because they lead in to the Bill and what we are deba...

Alan Brown | 706 c328 (Link to this contribution)

I issue the challenge again to the hon. Gentleman to speak to the amendments. For example, can he...

Richard Graham | 706 c329 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has tabled several amendments, including amendments 6, 8, 9 and 7. Largely spe...

Alan Brown | 706 c329 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Richard Graham | 706 c329 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to carry on taking interventions if time allows.

Alan Brown | 706 c329 (Link to this contribution)

The RAB model has been used successfully for some infrastructure projects, but as outlined earlie...

Richard Graham | 706 c329 (Link to this contribution)

May I answer the intervention from the hon. Member for Kilmarnock and Loudoun (Alan Brown) first?...

Richard Graham | 706 c330 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Workington (Mark Jenkinson) first and then to my...

Mark Jenkinson | 706 c330 (Link to this contribution)

If I could take my hon. Friend back to Sizewell C and to EDF in his constituency, and specificall...

Richard Graham | 706 c330 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention, because I was coming on to what seems...

Clive Lewis | 706 c330 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being very generous. Some of us on the Opposition Benches consider energy t...

Richard Graham | 706 c330 (Link to this contribution)

We may be straying a bit from the subject and scope, Mr Deputy Speaker, so I will try to come bac...

John Redwood | 706 c331 (Link to this contribution)

The burden of the argument with the SNP, my hon. Friend and the rest of us is, as I understand it...

Richard Graham | 706 c331 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that is a very good way of defining the difference between the confidentiality of commercial...

John Whittingdale | 706 cc331-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to detain the House for too long. However, I want to say a few words as the Member ...

Alan Whitehead | 706 c332 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to the amendments tabled on Report. You will be interested to know, Mr Deputy Spe...

Nigel Evans | 706 c332 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Dr Whitehead, do you intend to keep your mask on?

Alan Whitehead | 706 cc332-3 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, no—I have a general habit of wearing a mask whenever possible.

The Bill essentially ...

Bob Seely | 706 c333 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right, but unfortunately we lost a decade, from 1997 to 2007, wh...

Alan Whitehead | 706 cc333-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is quite right that prior to 2007 the Labour Government did not consider the deve...

Richard Graham | 706 c334 (Link to this contribution)

Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that EDF is majority owned by the state....

Alan Whitehead | 706 c334 (Link to this contribution)

It is correct that EDF is owned by the French state, but it is not controlled by the French state...

Richard Graham | 706 c334 (Link to this contribution)

This is incredibly important. The amendment states

“the nuclear company is not wholly or in...

Alan Whitehead | 706 cc334-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid we will have to differ on that. Amendment 1 has been written on good advice, in terms...

Jonathan Edwards | 706 c335 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome these amendments because one of the concerns about RAB is that there are no safeguards,...

Alan Whitehead | 706 cc335-6 (Link to this contribution)

It would not be irresponsible to support the Bill on Third Reading, but it would be responsible o...

John Redwood | 706 c336 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that, if the Government in power are faced with a big financial disaster from ...

Alan Whitehead | 706 c337 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely why we wish to put in the Bill that there should be a direction in which the Go...

Greg Hands | 706 cc337-8 (Link to this contribution)

First, may I minute my condolences on the death of Jack Dromey? I shared his 12 years here and he...

Greg Hands | 706 c338 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to take an intervention. I will respond to the debate first.

Whatever the in...

Alan Brown | 706 c338 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister explain why he does not want to put forward a report that explains the public f...

Greg Hands | 706 cc338-9 (Link to this contribution)

We think those processes are already in place, and it is right that this should be a commercial d...

Alan Brown | 706 c339 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way once more?

Greg Hands | 706 cc339-340 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not. I will try to respond to the debate.

Amendments 3 and 4, tabled by Labour, ...

Greg Hands | 706 cc340-1 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way.

My hon. Friend the Member for Ynys Môn (Virginia Crosbie), who des...

Greg Hands | 706 c341 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am winding up now. For the reasons that I have set out, I cannot accept the amendments tabl...

Alan Brown | 706 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.

Clause, by leave, withdrawn.

Kwasi Kwarteng | 706 c350 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

I want to start by following right...

Jonathan Edwards | 706 c350 (Link to this contribution)

The one thing that perplexes me about this Bill is that it is for nuclear only. If the RAB model ...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 706 c355 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that the hon. Gentleman mentions tidal, because for the first time, I think, in the ...

Andrea Leadsom | 706 c355 (Link to this contribution)

I sincerely congratulate my right hon. Friend on bringing forward this Bill. There is absolutely ...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 706 c355 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for her intervention. The House will know that she and I worked very...

John Redwood | 706 c355 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give some indication of how long it might take to prove and put into ...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 706 c355 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will be aware that the small modular reactors cannot be brought onstream in ...

Alan Brown | 706 c355 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Kwasi Kwarteng | 706 cc355-6 (Link to this contribution)

I must make progress—forgive me.

Since the publication of the Prime Minister’s 10-point pla...

Alan Brown | 706 c356 (Link to this contribution)

If there is such a desire for investment, why was £1.7 billion allocated in the last Budget just ...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 706 c356 (Link to this contribution)

We all know that the hon. Gentleman’s party is against nuclear, but we also appreciate that the c...

Alan Whitehead | 706 cc356-7 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill, as its title suggests, is about how to finance nuclear power. We know that the Climate ...

David Morris | 706 cc357-8 (Link to this contribution)

We have two nuclear power stations in my constituency. I cannot say how glad I am to hear the new...

Alan Brown | 706 c358 (Link to this contribution)

Unlike the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lunesdale (David Morris), I do not support the Bill, whi...

Alison Thewliss | 706 c358 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a good point about the waste of money. It sounds like he agrees with my ...

Alan Brown | 706 cc358-9 (Link to this contribution)

I agree wholeheartedly, and I said earlier that the £1.7 billion allocated for the final investme...

John Redwood | 706 cc359-360 (Link to this contribution)

I wish the Secretary of State, the Minister and the Bill every success. I think we might call thi...

Wera Hobhouse | 706 c360 (Link to this contribution)

We talk again and again in this House about Britain being a global leader. Does the right hon. Ge...

John Redwood | 706 c360 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to see a mixture of renewables, so that the reliability issue is taken care ...

Mark Jenkinson | 706 c361 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard a lot today about offshore wind and how it could be the saviour of our energy syste...

John Redwood | 706 c361 (Link to this contribution)

I have learned enough about energy to know that people produce figures that suit their case. I ag...

Mark Menzies | 706 c361 (Link to this contribution)

I rise tonight to put on record my sincere thanks to the Secretary of State and to the Minister f...

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