Parliamentary search - Coroners and Justice Bill

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712 c569-636,653-64

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2008-09

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Ministry of Justice

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Coroners and Justice Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 33-EN also published.
Wednesday, 25 March 2009
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Lord Kingsland | 712 c576 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend raises an important question that has been testing the courts, as my noble friend we...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 712 c578 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble and learned Baroness, but I am not sure that it makes much sense to ...

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Baroness Hayman | 712 c578 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may be of assistance to the Committee. Clauses 45 and 46 stand part are in this group. It ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 712 c578-80 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to take that course. I start, as the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, did, with the present law o...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c580-3 (Link to this contribution) We have had a very full and extensive debate. I too thank the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, f...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 712 c576-7 (Link to this contribution) I have two brief observations to make. First, the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, has set out t...

Baroness Mallalieu | 712 c577 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support what the noble Lord, Lord Neill, has just said as I see that there are two...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 712 c577 (Link to this contribution) I had intended to develop my argument when we come to Clause 44 stand part and I had asked for that ...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c577 (Link to this contribution) We have grouped and regrouped and grouped again, and it is probably better if we take the amendments...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c574-6 (Link to this contribution) The encyclopaedic exegesis of the law of provocation by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, has lifted a he...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c569-74 (Link to this contribution) If the Government had the courage to abolish the mandatory life imprisonment penalty for murder, the...

Baroness Hayman | 712 c574 (Link to this contribution) I remind the Committee that, if Amendment 163 is agreed, I cannot call Amendment 163A by reason of p...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c569 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 163 163: Clause 44, page 28, line 16, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b)

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c594 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Low, for speaking to the amendment so comprehensively on behalf of the ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 712 c595 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 173 173: After Clause 49, insert the following new Clause— "Acts not capable of encouragi...

Lord Low of Dalston | 712 c594-5 (Link to this contribution) Given the response of the Attorney-General, I shall beg leave to withdraw the amendment. I will cons...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 712 c596-8 (Link to this contribution) It is not a crime to travel abroad to be assisted in dying in a country where assisted dying is lawf...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 712 c599 (Link to this contribution) I had assumed that the co-signatories to the amendment might wish to speak in support of the noble a...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 712 c599-601 (Link to this contribution) The fact that they felt that there was no obligation to raise a prosecution showed that the circumst...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) I have put my name to the amendment. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, has so completely de...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 712 c602-4 (Link to this contribution) In opposing the amendment, I speak as a doctor, a retired neurologist, and someone who in my profess...

Baroness Jay of Paddington | 712 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) I, too, have signed the amendment and I had the privilege also of serving on the Select Committee ch...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c587-8 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Baroness the Attorney-General did not mention the fact that juries control the...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c583-6 (Link to this contribution) We do not believe that it is otiose. There has to be a benchmark that regulates this. We think that ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c588 (Link to this contribution) I have already made my criticisms of the expression "sexual infidelity". What is meant by that? Does...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c588 (Link to this contribution) I wholly endorse what the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, has said, and I await the response of...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 712 c588 (Link to this contribution) The Committee knows well that I am not persuaded that this clause, as it stands, gives rise to any b...

Lord Low of Dalston | 712 c590 (Link to this contribution) Clause 47: Infanticide (England and Wales) Amendment 171 171: Clause 47, leave out Clause 47 and i...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c588-9 (Link to this contribution) I hesitated in standing in case I was a little too quick again. Of course I understand what has been...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c589-90 (Link to this contribution) Infidelity has a very wide range. There can be the casual affair, where there is a feeling of disapp...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 712 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) It may come as a surprise to many in this House that I am against the amendment. Although I am a gre...

Baroness Warnock | 712 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy, on the symbolic value of the law. We should ...

Lord Quirk | 712 c617 (Link to this contribution) I think that we can all accept that the arguments that have been made opposing this amendment have b...

Lord Low of Dalston | 712 c617-9 (Link to this contribution) I put my name to this amendment in the belief, which has been endorsed by others, that it is a compa...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 712 c614 (Link to this contribution) Lastly, if these amendments were to succeed, despair would be endorsed as a reasonable expectation f...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 712 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) The right reverend Prelate has pointed to a deep ambivalence running through the debate. That deep a...

Lord Warner | 712 c619-20 (Link to this contribution) I support what we must remember is a narrow and focused amendment. This is not the day to have a wid...

Lord Waldegrave of North Hill | 712 c619 (Link to this contribution) It may be appropriate to have two or three sentences from someone who once held the huge and wonderf...

Bishop of Chichester | 712 c620 (Link to this contribution) Several noble Lords have suggested that this is a narrow amendment. It is not a narrow amendment: it...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 712 c620 (Link to this contribution) With pressures on our National Health Service, many people who are seriously disabled feel vulnerabl...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 712 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) Most of the arguments that I would have wished to put have already been put very much better by othe...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 712 c610 (Link to this contribution) I should like to follow the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady O’Neill, and suggest that the mos...

Bishop of Exeter | 712 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) With all due respect to the noble Baroness, I am not persuaded that this is a mere narrow and techni...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 712 c607-9 (Link to this contribution) Last week, the BMA rejected the amendment’s proposal, and also rejected supporting physician-assiste...

Baroness Wilkins | 712 c614 (Link to this contribution) This House has repeatedly taken the view that it cannot support assisted dying. Proponents for a cha...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 712 c612-4 (Link to this contribution) Before I begin, I need to remind the Committee that the usual channels have allowed my noble friend ...

Lord Goodhart | 712 c612 (Link to this contribution) In 1961, we in the United Kingdom were humane enough to remove suicide itself from the list of crime...

Lord Turnberg | 712 c611-2 (Link to this contribution) I speak simply as a medical practitioner when I say I have every sympathy for those unfortunate pati...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 712 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) Those two submissions raise a number of different questions and, in any event, it probably would hav...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 712 c610 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the noble Lord. There are two separate answers to that and perhaps he w...

Baroness D'Souza | 712 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 175 175: After Clause 51, insert the following new Clause— "Retrospective operation In Pa...

Baroness D'Souza | 712 c654-5 (Link to this contribution) As I have spelt our previously in this House, the amendment seeks to adjust a procedural aspect of c...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 712 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak briefly in support of the amendment. I agree with every word said by the noble Barones...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 712 c656 (Link to this contribution) I join the noble Baroness, Lady D’Souza, and the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, in very much welcoming th...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 712 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) As the fourth signatory to this amendment, I join the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, and the...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 712 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly in support of the amendment of my noble friend and other noble Lords. I declare an in...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 712 c658 (Link to this contribution) I, too, warmly welcome the amendment and congratulate the Government on graciously accepting it. Let...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c658 (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches, too, are very pleased that the Government have moved. I thank the Minister and ...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c658 (Link to this contribution) I, too, thank and congratulate the Government for the statement made this afternoon, and the signato...

Lord Bach | 712 c658-61 (Link to this contribution) The amendments before us seek to address a very real problem. We have constantly said, and remain of...

Baroness Emerton | 712 c622 (Link to this contribution) I rise not as a lawyer but as a nurse. I wish to say a few things that have not been said this eveni...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 712 c622-5 (Link to this contribution) I start with something that has not been said as yet. As someone who is opposed to the noble and lea...

Lord Joffe | 712 c627-9 (Link to this contribution) I support this humane amendment because it is about preventing suffering—not the suffering of the te...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 712 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief because I suspect that the feeling of the Committee is that we should now move quick...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 712 c625 (Link to this contribution) I want to flag up a legal point. What do we know about this individual called D who appears in subse...

Baroness Flather | 712 c625-6 (Link to this contribution) I would like to go back to the beginning. Only 115 people have gone to Switzerland: that is not a hu...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 712 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to every Member of the Committee who has participated in this incredibly powerful deba...

Lord Bach | 712 c631-3 (Link to this contribution) The Committee has been fortunate to have been able to listen to an outstanding debate on a matter of...

Lord Henley | 712 c631 (Link to this contribution) I, too, will speak briefly from these Benches. I merely echo what the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gre...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c630 (Link to this contribution) I rise merely to say that we on these Benches will vote individually. It will not surprise your Lord...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c661 (Link to this contribution) Clause 60: Conspiracy Amendment 177E 177E: Clause 60, page 36, leave out lines 34 and 35

Baroness D'Souza | 712 c661 (Link to this contribution) My thanks go to all noble Lords who have spoken in support of the amendments, but particularly to th...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c662-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 177E would remove new subsection (16) of Section 1A of the Criminal Law Act 1977 inserted ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c662 (Link to this contribution) I speak also to Amendment 177F. I was intrigued to see a single clause dealing with conspiracy inser...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c664 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his careful reply. I shall have to look at one or two cases that i...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 712 c583 (Link to this contribution) If the view of the Government is that this should apply only in extremely rare cases, why do they no...

Lord Campbell of Alloway | 712 c576 (Link to this contribution) This is a question that troubled me for many years in my very humble position as a recorder. Is my n...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c588 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 170 170: Clause 45, page 29, line 19, leave out paragraph (c)

Lord Low of Dalston | 712 c590-4 (Link to this contribution) At the request of my noble friend Lady Murphy and with the permission of the Committee, I am moving ...

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