Debate on (a) a motion in the name of a Minister of the Crown to approve the Government’s policy towards the Treaty of Lisbon in respect of specified matters,
(b) proceedings on the European Union (Amendment) Bill, or
(c) a motion to vary or supplement this Order.
(a) if the amendment does not reduce the amount of time allotted overall to consideration of matters connected with the Treaty of Lisbon, the Question shall be put forthwith, and
(b) otherwise, proceedings on the motion shall be brought to a conclusion not later than three-quarters of an hour after commencement. Amendment negatived on division (303 to 244). Main question agreed on division (299 to 243).
Business of the House (Lisbon Treaty)
Debate on Monday, 28 January 2008,
in the House of Commons,
led by Jim Murphy.
The answering
member was Lord Hague of Richmond.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
471 c30-138
Session
2007-08
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Treaty of Lisbon amending the Treaty establishing the European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community, including the Protocols and Final Act with Declarations. (Lisbon 2007).
Monday, 17 December 2007
Command papers
House of Commons
Monday, 17 December 2007
Command papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lord Cormack | 471 c41 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Jim Murphy | 471 c41 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make some progress. I will give way to the hon. Gentleman a little later.
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Mark Harper | 471 c41-2 (Link to this contribution)
I want to draw the Minister back to something that he said earlier. When he was questioned on the ti...
Lord Cormack | 471 c41 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to make this point: if the Minister has 12 pages left, would it not be better for him to...
Jim Murphy | 471 c41 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that my fellow Minister, my hon. Friend the Member for Pontypridd (Dr. Howells), would enj...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c42 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You will be aware that the provisional timetable for the Eu...
Jim Murphy | 471 c42 (Link to this contribution)
The Government have framed the themed debates in the broadest possible terms. In respect of transpor...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c42 (Link to this contribution)
In that case, could my hon. Friend answer this simple question: who decided which important subjects...
Speaker | 471 c43 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure that I can give an entirely definitive reply to the hon. Lady. It will depend very muc...
Jim Murphy | 471 c43 (Link to this contribution)
In drafting the motion, we also looked with great care at the provisions for previous Committees. Th...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c43 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. When there is a Committee of the whole House, is it correct...
Speaker | 471 c43 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman must know that the propensity of hon. Members to attend the Chamber for a Committ...
Lord Cormack | 471 c43 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. With great respect, Sir, that will depend also on what we a...
Speaker | 471 c43 (Link to this contribution)
The occupant of the Chair might often be tempted in that direction by hon. Members, but the hon. Gen...
Nicholas Winterton | 471 c43-4 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Are you not the custodian and guardian of the Back-Bench in...
Simon Hughes | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Could you help the House? If we agree to this motion, it wi...
Jim Murphy | 471 c39 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman and I regularly cross swords, but we can make common cause on that point. I confi...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c39 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is inverting our normal parliamentary procedures. Our way of scrutinising legislation i...
Jim Murphy | 471 c39 (Link to this contribution)
As I have said, I will address the point raised by the right hon. and learned Gentleman a little lat...
Angus Robertson | 471 c39 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has been generous in outlining when certain subjects not listed in the Government’s tim...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 471 c38-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way a second time, and I shall try to exercise restraint, b...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 471 c38 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to my hon. Friend first, then to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for the second...
Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 471 c38 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister help me, because he said earlier that there would be a vote on whether there shoul...
Jim Murphy | 471 c40 (Link to this contribution)
I simply do not agree with the hon. Gentleman; I shall outline the case in just a moment. I shall gi...
Jim Murphy | 471 c40 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to the hon. Gentleman, but I will then make some progress.
Jim Murphy | 471 c40 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way, for the final two occasions, to the hon. Member for Stone and then to the hon. Mem...
William Cash | 471 c40 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister agree that my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Rushcliffe (Mr. Clarke)...
Jim Murphy | 471 c40 (Link to this contribution)
I do not accept that. The process set out in the motion will give us the opportunity to discuss and ...
Jon Trickett | 471 c40 (Link to this contribution)
It is no use the Minister praying in aid the support of those on the Opposition Front Bench for the ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c40 (Link to this contribution)
I accept my hon. Friend’s point—I have not yet convinced him, but I have not yet managed to make my ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c41 (Link to this contribution)
That is a reasonable point, although I think that the hon. Gentleman would accept that the difficult...
Lord Robathan | 471 c35 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is being extremely generous in taking interventions. To take him back to that very inte...
Jim Murphy | 471 c35 (Link to this contribution)
I am certain that whichever Minister stands at the Dispatch Box during that debate will be able to a...
Lord Deben | 471 c36 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister accept that even those of us who are not unhappy about the treaty but do not belie...
Jim Murphy | 471 c35-6 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman wishes to complete that sentence as he did last week, but I...
Lord Robathan | 471 c35 (Link to this contribution)
No more propaganda.
Jim Murphy | 471 c35 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his kind comments and congratulate him on taking a milder tone today ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c36 (Link to this contribution)
As the debate progresses during the forthcoming weeks, we will have the opportunity to discuss both ...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c36 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful for the Minister’s courtesy and generosity in giving way. Will he confirm that if...
Jim Murphy | 471 c36 (Link to this contribution)
Of course I will take some more interventions, but with your agreement, Mr. Speaker, not four simult...
Jim Murphy | 471 c36 (Link to this contribution)
I am certainly of the view, as I said to my hon. Friend the Member for Crewe and Nantwich, that the ...
Greg Hands | 471 c36-7 (Link to this contribution)
May I come back to the charter of fundamental rights, as it is peculiar that specific time has not b...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 471 c37 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the right hon. Member for Wells (Mr. Heathcoat-Amory) first, and then to his hon....
Jim Murphy | 471 c37 (Link to this contribution)
May I make a little progress? I fully intend to deal with the points made by the right hon. Gentlema...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c37 (Link to this contribution)
Under the Government proposals, we will debate Government amendments on a line-by-line basis for onl...
Jim Murphy | 471 c38 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I hope I can reassure the hon. Gentleman on that point. We are simply taking a different appr...
Gerald Howarth | 471 c37-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to the Minister for his courtesy in giving way. He will be aware that the re...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c32 (Link to this contribution)
That is extraordinarily courteous and helpful, and I am deeply grateful to the Minister. I have stud...
Jim Murphy | 471 c32 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether I might be allowed to finish the quote, by way of introduction, before I take both ...
Lord Cormack | 471 c33 (Link to this contribution)
Like the hon. Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mrs. Dunwoody), I am grateful that the Minister is very...
Jim Murphy | 471 c33 (Link to this contribution)
The points raised by my right hon. Friend—there is a theme developing here; like my hon. Friend the ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 471 c33 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. Does he accept that some hon. Members—certainly some Labour M...
Jim Murphy | 471 c32-3 (Link to this contribution)
My apologies to my hon. Friend. On the substance of her intervention, perhaps I can reassure her abo...
Jim Murphy | 471 c32 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my right hon. Friend for her kind intervention.
Paul Farrelly | 471 c34 (Link to this contribution)
After opposing a private Member’s Bill on the issue tooth and claw, the Government were instrumental...
Jim Murphy | 471 c34 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Paul Farrelly) and then to m...
Michael Connarty | 471 c34 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will realise that one of the most important debates that we had when he and the Foreign...
Jim Murphy | 471 c34 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, it is for you, Mr. Speaker, to decide which amendments will be in order on which day. How...
Jim Murphy | 471 c33 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I hope that my remarks will convince the hon. Gentleman of the merits of the motion before us...
Graham Stringer | 471 c35 (Link to this contribution)
In answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mrs. Dunwoody), the Minister said tha...
Simon Hughes | 471 c34-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has said that the timetable that the Government propose is longer than the debates on t...
Jim Murphy | 471 c34 (Link to this contribution)
On the question when the charter could be debated, I refer my hon. Friend, who speaks with great exp...
Jim Murphy | 471 c35 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Manchester, Blackley (Graham Stringer) and then th...
Jim Murphy | 471 c35 (Link to this contribution)
I was not a Member at the time, and the hon. Gentleman was, but I think that it was 23 days. The mot...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister had already given way.
Mark Harper | 471 c55 (Link to this contribution)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. ... On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I ...
Gerald Howarth | 471 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for North Essex (Mr. Jenkin) has made an important point. The Government f...
Speaker | 471 c55 (Link to this contribution)
It was not a point of order, but if the hon. Gentleman has a fresh point of order, I shall call him....
Jim Murphy | 471 c56 (Link to this contribution)
I shall, however, give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Lord Cormack | 471 c56 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. Nobody could criticise him for his performance this afternoon—he has ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c56 (Link to this contribution)
I have already made it clear on a number of occasions that the Government fully intend, where necess...
Mark Harper | 471 c56 (Link to this contribution)
It cannot have escaped the Minister’s notice—I am sure that this is deliberate—that on all the other...
Jim Murphy | 471 c56 (Link to this contribution)
We have said that we intend to be flexible; there will be an opportunity to table revisions to this ...
Ian Davidson | 471 c57 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Ian Davidson | 471 c57 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister mentioned Euroscepticism, and I thought I just had to rise to that. He said that he wan...
Jim Murphy | 471 c58 (Link to this contribution)
I am urged not to give way to the hon. Gentleman, but the kinder part of my spirit has taken over an...
Lord Cormack | 471 c50 (Link to this contribution)
Flasks and sandwiches.
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c49-50 (Link to this contribution)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That is a very helpful ruling, but surely the de...
Mark Harper | 471 c49 (Link to this contribution)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. On the point about a Standing Order No. 24 debat...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c51 (Link to this contribution)
I am enormously grateful to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as this is an important matter. Will you please...
Lord Deben | 471 c51 (Link to this contribution)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would like to bring you back to the first of t...
Speaker | 471 c51 (Link to this contribution)
I think the answer to that is no. I hesitate in front of such a learned assembly to make an absolute...
David Hamilton | 471 c50 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that my hon. Friend is being far too flexible, which is half the problem we have at the mo...
Jim Murphy | 471 c51 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to make a little more progress, if hon. Members will allow me. They might like to look ...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c52-3 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister mentioned energy. There is only one new article on energy in the treaty, which the Gove...
Speaker | 471 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that it is in order—I know the hon. Gentleman. ... I think that my premonition was right. Th...
Mark Harper | 471 c52 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c54 (Link to this contribution)
Supposing we reach the debate on the referendum, we know that under the timetable motion Mr. Speaker...
Jim Murphy | 471 c53 (Link to this contribution)
I will make some progress.
The allocation and division of subjects has been carefully considered to...
Jim Murphy | 471 c54 (Link to this contribution)
There is an opportunity to discuss that during the full-day debate on institutions. There will also ...
James Clappison | 471 c54 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister did not respond to the point of my right hon. Friend the Member for Wells (Mr. Heathcoa...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 471 c44-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has so far not made an argument in favour of his new procedure. He has merely asserted ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c45-6 (Link to this contribution)
The purpose of setting aside proceedings under Standing Order No. 24 is to protect the time availabl...
Jim Murphy | 471 c45 (Link to this contribution)
I look forward to having the opportunity to listen to the right hon. and learned Gentleman make the ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c47 (Link to this contribution)
I share my hon. Friend’s assessment. He underlines the importance of my point, which is that we inte...
Peter Bone | 471 c47 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way again—I know that he is a reasonable chap. The purpose ...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c47 (Link to this contribution)
Usually, the following day is when the provision comes into effect, but the point remains: if there ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c47 (Link to this contribution)
What we have said in the motion is that we will approach the issue in a flexible way that ensures no...
Malcolm Rifkind | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
May I encourage the Minister not to be too stubborn on this point? The point about an emergency deba...
Jim Murphy | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
The House would have the opportunity, with your agreement, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and Mr. Speaker’s agr...
Rob Marris | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Am I right, Sir, in thinking that Standing Order No. 24 is ...
Lord Cormack | 471 c48-9 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You have just given an extremely clear ruling. Does this no...
Speaker | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
The fact of the matter is that the situation will be governed by the motion before the House, if the...
William Cash | 471 c49 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker— ... Very much so, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In an earlier point o...
Speaker | 471 c49 (Link to this contribution)
On that same point of order? ... I have to say to the hon. Gentleman that that did not follow seque...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c63 (Link to this contribution)
There is every right to expect that on day 11, when we debate the commencement clause, there will be...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c68 (Link to this contribution)
Why do we need a motion? Why are things not committed to a Committee of the House in the traditional...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c68 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend raises another attractive alternative, which the Government should certainly consider...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c67 (Link to this contribution)
Under the Government’s proposals, a full day has been allocated for climate change and international...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c67 (Link to this contribution)
Given the flexibility that he has said he will apply, it would be open to the Minister to rearrange ...
Ian Davidson | 471 c66 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman mentioned that the commission is composed of EU bishops. Surely the EU is n...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c65-6 (Link to this contribution)
Exactly; my hon. Friend has made a telling point. In those situations, those of us on the Front Benc...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c65 (Link to this contribution)
I have some sympathy with the hon. Gentleman. In framing our amendment, however, we tried not only t...
Jon Trickett | 471 c65 (Link to this contribution)
The Opposition amendment has some merit, because it suggests allocating more time on some of the det...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c64 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady is hugely interested in what the next Conservative Government will do, and that ...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c63 (Link to this contribution)
I agree that we need to debate that matter as exhaustively as possible. I would like that debate to ...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c71 (Link to this contribution)
I should not have said that. Yes, of course I give way.
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c71 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, we have seen that. [Interruption.] I thought that the hon. Member for Glasgow, South-West (Mr. ...
James Clappison | 471 c71 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is making an extremely convincing point. Do we not need a very great deal of ti...
Nicholas Winterton | 471 c68 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend respond more fully to the intervention by my hon. Friend the Member for Al...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c70 (Link to this contribution)
Let me just finish the description of what is covered in this one day of debate, as the Government p...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c68 (Link to this contribution)
As usual, the hon. Gentleman makes a powerful analogy. As I have explained, on this particular occas...
Ian Davidson | 471 c68 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman remember ““Spitting Image”” and the figure of David Steel in the top p...
Graham Stringer | 471 c78 (Link to this contribution)
I listened carefully when my hon. Friend said that he was considering voting for the Conservative am...
Jon Trickett | 471 c77 (Link to this contribution)
I take the hon. Gentleman’s point because the views that I am expressing rarely appear in the media....
Colin Burgon | 471 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a powerful case against a neo-liberal Europe. He will have heard the Minister d...
William Cash | 471 c77 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful speech from his own point of view. As with Michael Foot and ...
Jon Cruddas | 471 c76-7 (Link to this contribution)
Has my hon. Friend seen the rulings of the European Court of Justice on the Laval and Viking cases, ...
Jon Trickett | 471 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend tempts me to another course of action, which I shall consider during the evening. How...
Rob Marris | 471 c72 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Simon Hughes | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that the final judgment about whether the United Kingdom should be part of the European Un...
Ian Davidson | 471 c83 (Link to this contribution)
Do you want to change it?
Simon Hughes | 471 c82-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is not a red herring. It is an absolutely central proposal in the treaty—[Interruption.] It is no...
Simon Hughes | 471 c83 (Link to this contribution)
I am dealing with the hon. Gentleman’s usual manner, Madam Deputy Speaker.
We are very happy that t...
Ian Davidson | 471 c83 (Link to this contribution)
Are you going to vote for changes?
Nigel Evans | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. We should scrutinise everything in the treaty in detail. He ...
Jon Trickett | 471 c78 (Link to this contribution)
That’s okay then.
Speaker | 471 c78 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will now confine his remarks to the motion.
Simon Hughes | 471 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. I shall come back to that, although I do not want to make a long speech, which might dis...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Although the hon. Gentlemen’s suggestion would mitigate the worst part of the Government’s proposals...
Simon Hughes | 471 c81-2 (Link to this contribution)
That would certainly be a way forward. Unless there had been agreement that the new system was bette...
Simon Hughes | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
No, it is not—
Mark Harper | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
It is the same.
Richard Bacon | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
Why does the European Scrutiny Committee say that it is?
Simon Hughes | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to the hon. Member for Forest of Dean (Mr. Harper), then I want to finish so that o...
Simon Hughes | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
There is a very simple answer to that question. The hon. Gentleman is right. At the last election, a...
Mark Harper | 471 c84 (Link to this contribution)
The point that the hon. Gentleman has just made may or may not be valid, but why, at the last electi...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c89 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to you, Madam Deputy Speaker. One of the reasons why I support the programme motion so...
Nigel Evans | 471 c89 (Link to this contribution)
Part of the argument this evening is that we are not being given sufficient time in which to scrutin...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c89 (Link to this contribution)
I think the hon. Gentleman overestimates the amount of time that is required in the House to expose ...
Barry Sheerman | 471 c89 (Link to this contribution)
May I correct that? Surely there is not much division on the other side of the House. The fact is th...
Speaker | 471 c88 (Link to this contribution)
I have been lenient with a number of contributions from Members in all parts of the House, but I rem...
Mark Harper | 471 c88 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady has spoken of her constituents’ great interest in this subject, and their wish t...
Rob Marris | 471 c87 (Link to this contribution)
May I suggest that evidence of demand for change, which my hon. Friend the Member for Crewe and Nant...
Speaker | 471 c88 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I have already ruled that we are debating not the pros and cons of a referendum but the motio...
Simon Hughes | 471 c85-6 (Link to this contribution)
That is very generous of the hon. Gentleman. However, we have not yet had an opportunity to get the ...
Rob Marris | 471 c86 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Is it in order for one Member to describe another Member ...
Speaker | 471 c86 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member was quoting another hon. Member when he used that expression.
Richard Bacon | 471 c85 (Link to this contribution)
Why does the Foreign Affairs Committee say that it is?
Simon Hughes | 471 c85 (Link to this contribution)
It is not. This document—
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend, but I seem to have missed the great body of demands for ...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c86-7 (Link to this contribution)
Having listened with great interest to the last three and half hours of debating over the business m...
Andrew Miller | 471 c101-2 (Link to this contribution)
It comes back to the point that I made about the use of timing rather than time. I do not suppose an...
Rob Marris | 471 c101 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend as surprised as I am to hear some Members of the official Opposition putting a vie...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c102 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry if my intervention keeps the hon. Gentleman going, but of what relevance are other countr...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c94-6 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for South Staffordshire (Sir Patrick Cormack), because I ...
Andrew Miller | 471 c99 (Link to this contribution)
I listened with great interest to the hon. Member for Aldridge-Brownhills (Mr. Shepherd). I respect ...
Rob Marris | 471 c100 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the motion gives us sufficient time to discuss the issues that my hon. Friend raises. O...
Andrew Miller | 471 c99-100 (Link to this contribution)
I would need to drift away from the subject before us to answer that. My point had to do with how Bi...
Lord Deben | 471 c93 (Link to this contribution)
In stating that conclusion, does my hon. Friend not agree with me that it is even more important for...
Lord Cormack | 471 c93 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I entirely go along with that, but I want to come back—I do want to be called out of order; tha...
Lord Cormack | 471 c94 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman was not here at the time, but I sometimes made life a bit miserable for some Mini...
Lord Cormack | 471 c93 (Link to this contribution)
Of course it is, and I did refer to this issue in passing while my right hon. Friend was briefly out...
Lord Cormack | 471 c94 (Link to this contribution)
No; perhaps later. I find that deeply depressing and deeply distressing, because this Chamber should...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c90 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you for that guidance, Madam Deputy Speaker. As I hope I have been making clear, I strongly su...
Lord Cormack | 471 c91-2 (Link to this contribution)
I was tempted to ask the hon. Gentleman to give way. Of course there has been a steady erosion in Pa...
Barry Sheerman | 471 c91 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Gentleman not in danger of being a little selective in his recollections? He and I remem...
Lord Cormack | 471 c91 (Link to this contribution)
It is, indeed, and my right hon. Friend makes many of the points I was seeking to make—so I shall, p...
Speaker | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
That is not strictly a point of order for the Chair because the motion before the House sets down a ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
My earlier point about lonely souls, which instigated the first in the latest points of order, was s...
Speaker | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it, all stages of the Bill are governed by the motion before the House.
Speaker | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
I think that for any such thing to happen, it would have to be discussed first and a recommendation ...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It would be out of order to come into this Chamber with a f...
Speaker | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Unless the right hon. and learned Gentleman is raising a point of order, we are back to the s...
Jim Murphy | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
I happily give way to the right hon. and learned Gentleman.
Speaker | 471 c55 (Link to this contribution)
Order. That is not a point of order for the Chair, but a question directly to the Minister, which he...
Speaker | 471 c55 (Link to this contribution)
Order. As I understand it—I do not want to tread on the Minister’s ground—the Government’s motion en...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c55 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am sorry to build on that, and the House agrees entirely ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c54-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am certain that the hon. Gentleman shares the view that, as was alluded to in an earlier exchange,...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c55 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We have already heard from you, very helpfully and clearly,...
Jim Murphy | 471 c57 (Link to this contribution)
As I said—about 45 minutes ago—the issue is whether the right balance on themed days is four and a h...
Philip Davies | 471 c57 (Link to this contribution)
May I bring the Minister back to the point raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Forest of Dean? T...
Jim Murphy | 471 c57 (Link to this contribution)
I think there is more than a good degree of Euroscepticism on the Conservative Benches, rather than ...
William Cash | 471 c58 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way on that point? [Interruption.]
Jim Murphy | 471 c57 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend on the typical ingenuity with which he digs at the Lib Dems as only he...
Jim Murphy | 471 c58 (Link to this contribution)
As I have already said, we will listen to all reasonable suggestions on such matters. Days 9, 10 and...
William Cash | 471 c58 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister and I am sure that he will wish to consider my point when reviewing th...
Nicholas Winterton | 471 c50 (Link to this contribution)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In response to an earlier point of order, you ma...
Speaker | 471 c49 (Link to this contribution)
The Standing Order would still apply, but there would be a question as to the timing of any such deb...
Speaker | 471 c49 (Link to this contribution)
The answer to the first part of the right hon. Gentleman’s question—which was a point of order—is ye...
Lord Deben | 471 c49 (Link to this contribution)
Further to an earlier point of order, which was a point of order, may I just make sure that I have g...
Speaker | 471 c51 (Link to this contribution)
I can respond to the hon. Lady’s two points. First, as I understand it, the terms of the motion simp...
Jim Murphy | 471 c50 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. [Interruption.] Before I make any further progress, I want to give wa...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c51 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I have been listening carefully and thinking about your rul...
Speaker | 471 c50 (Link to this contribution)
My earlier invocation of the Modernisation Committee was essentially related to flasks and sandwiche...
Jim Murphy | 471 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I am going to make some progress.
The table sets out the proceedings on each day. For the first eig...
William Cash | 471 c52 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. ... I am well aware of you too, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I shal...
Speaker | 471 c51-2 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is not the first Member to seek to draw the Chair into the substance of the...
Jim Murphy | 471 c52 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you for your wise words and guidance, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Let me return to the debate, and pe...
Jim Murphy | 471 c53 (Link to this contribution)
I have already given an assurance, which I hope reassures my hon. Friend, that we intend to be flexi...
Jon Trickett | 471 c53 (Link to this contribution)
The charter lies at the core of my concerns about the treaty. Will the Minister undertake to look ca...
Jim Murphy | 471 c53-4 (Link to this contribution)
We have made it clear that we do not have an opt-out from the charter of fundamental rights. What we...
Colin Burgon | 471 c53 (Link to this contribution)
I am rapidly advancing in age so perhaps I miss things now and again, but will the Minister reassure...
Jim Murphy | 471 c54 (Link to this contribution)
I have already given a detailed response to that. We are seeking to protect the time available to th...
Speaker | 471 c44 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Things are moving so fast.
Jim Murphy | 471 c46 (Link to this contribution)
That is not the case. The moment of interruption can be extended—that deals with the hon. Gentleman’...
Rob Marris | 471 c46-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his generosity in giving way. I am sure he knows that, under the...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c46 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister makes a mistake in saying that suspending Standing Order No. 24 will protect the scruti...
Jim Murphy | 471 c45 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make some progress on the subject of the length of time available and the effect of the moti...
Peter Bone | 471 c45 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain why Standing Order No. 24 is being disapplied? Standing Order No. 24 permi...
Speaker | 471 c45 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The right hon. and learned Gentleman is now making a speech. He has probably put his point ac...
Jim Murphy | 471 c47 (Link to this contribution)
What we are seeking to do is protect the time available to the House to scrutinise the treaty and th...
Jim Murphy | 471 c47 (Link to this contribution)
It is always dangerous to pray the hon. Gentleman in aid, but I am happy to do so on this occasion.
Jim Murphy | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
I have sought on three or four occasions to emphasise how flexible we wish to be on all such issues....
Jim Murphy | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way first to the hon. Member for Forest of Dean (Mr. Harper).
Mark Harper | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Could you explain for the benefit of the House whether if t...
Speaker | 471 c48 (Link to this contribution)
No, the Chair would not have that flexibility if the House had decided in favour of the motion on th...
Speaker | 471 c49 (Link to this contribution)
It is difficult for the Chair to interpret some of the nuances of the debate here, but the fact is t...
Lord Hague of Richmond | 471 c58-61 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, in line 24, leave out from ‘TABLE’ to end and add—