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Common Agricultural Policy

Adjournment debate on Thursday, 1 November 2012, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness McIntosh of Pickering. The answering member was David Heath.
Agreed on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
552 cc133-172WH 
Session
2012-13
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Proceeding contributions
David Heath | 552 cc162-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for calling me to speak, Mr Havard. I do not deal in soundbites; I deal in solid policy...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 552 cc133-4WH (Link to this contribution)

Welcome to the proceedings, Mr Chope. It is a great honour and a pleasure to serve under your cha...


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Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c134WH (Link to this contribution)

I commend the hon. Lady on her introductory remarks to this debate. It is a good opportunity. I a...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 552 cc134-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely take the hon. Gentleman’s point. It is essential that farmers in other European coun...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c135WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is pursuing an important point, and I would be concerned if there is some contradic...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 552 cc135-8WH (Link to this contribution)

That is the case, but farmers who are coming to the end of a 10-year agreement now face the prosp...

Eilidh Whiteford | 552 cc138-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I intend to make a short contribution. I congratulate the hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton (Miss...

Neil Parish | 552 cc139-140WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Chope. I thank my hon. Friend the Member fo...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c140WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point about food prices. Does he agree that, although peopl...

Neil Parish | 552 c141WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. The payments coming to farmers have encouraged the...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c141WH (Link to this contribution)

I attended the same breakfast as the hon. Gentleman; it was a good discussion. On the important p...

Neil Parish | 552 cc141-2WH (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister is exactly right, and he leads me down a path towards making a point on which...

George Freeman | 552 c142WH (Link to this contribution)

On science, technology and innovation, as my hon. Friend knows, because he has attended meetings ...

Neil Parish | 552 cc142-3WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. I congratulate him on chairing the all-party group. We need to...

Eilidh Whiteford | 552 c143WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman on his latter point, because in Scotland we have some serious dis...

Neil Parish | 552 cc143-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I understand exactly where the hon. Lady is coming from, but looking at Scotland, dare I question...

George Eustice | 552 c144WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that a problem with a one-size-fits-all policy such as the CAP is that ...

Neil Parish | 552 c144WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes. My hon. Friend raises a good point. What needs to be brought in is not only a policy, but co...

George Eustice | 552 c144WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely accept that point, but does my hon. Friend agree that for any other goods, and in an...

Neil Parish | 552 c145WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has heard the phrase, “The law works for the law-abiding,” and we can be certain t...

William Bain | 552 cc145-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure, Mr Chope, to serve under your chairmanship again. I congratulate the hon. Membe...

Kerry McCarthy | 552 c147WH (Link to this contribution)

As ever, it is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Chope. I want to focus on the conc...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c147WH (Link to this contribution)

May I commend my hon. Friend, Mr Chope, on introducing into the debate the concept of a one-natio...

Kerry McCarthy | 552 cc147-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I thought for a moment that my hon. Friend was congratulating you, Mr Chope, on introducing that ...

Kerry McCarthy | 552 cc149-151WH (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that the Minister is nodding. I hope that he repeats that when he comes to make his spe...

George Eustice | 552 c151WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for allowing me to speak, Mr Chope. I am conscious that I was not here for the opening ...

Neil Parish | 552 c151WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right about the set-aside argument. Do we actually get value for mon...

George Eustice | 552 c152WH (Link to this contribution)

That is right. The environmental stewardship schemes in pillar two are much more proactive about ...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c152WH (Link to this contribution)

What are the hon. Gentleman’s thoughts on the proposal I floated earlier? Farms receiving the ver...

George Eustice | 552 cc152-3WH (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting proposal, which I would like to look at more closely. I have previously ar...

Neil Parish | 552 c153WH (Link to this contribution)

This will tempt my hon. Friend further from the topic of debate, but would a looser common agricu...

Dai Havard | 552 c153WH (Link to this contribution)

Do not be tempted too far, Mr Eustice.

George Eustice | 552 c153WH (Link to this contribution)

It might be, if we get to that point, but I do not want to be distracted by that now.

There...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c153WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has graciously given way. He tempted me in because I was the Minister who over...

George Eustice | 552 c154WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. In fisheries, the developments and techniques on maximum sustainable yield an...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 552 c154WH (Link to this contribution)

Welcome to the proceedings, Mr Havard.

My hon. Friend did not hear my opening remarks when ...

George Eustice | 552 cc154-5WH (Link to this contribution)

There are a number of routes that we could pursue to bring this forward. My point is that there i...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c155WH (Link to this contribution)

Mr Havard, it is good to serve under your stewardship.

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 cc155-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I am glad. I need watching, Mr Havard. My thanks to your predecessor, who was here until a couple...

Dai Havard | 552 c156WH (Link to this contribution)

It has done a lot of other damage.

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 cc156-8WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. The hon. Member for Tiverton and Honiton (Neil Parish) spoke with expertise, as always. H...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 552 c158WH (Link to this contribution)

I should take this opportunity to thank all the witnesses to the inquiry, something that I omitte...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 cc158-9WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady raises a strong point and is right. Although co-decision brings more challenges in ...

Dai Havard | 552 c159WH (Link to this contribution)

We will take note of that when we are dealing with the French treaty discussions.

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 cc159-161WH (Link to this contribution)

Among progressive reformers, there has long been a focus on delivering a smaller, greener CAP wit...

Neil Parish | 552 c161WH (Link to this contribution)

Not only is there a problem with permanent grass payments, but if we are not careful, farmers wil...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 cc161-2WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. That is one of the many unintended consequences of devising a central system, which is wh...

Dai Havard | 552 c162WH (Link to this contribution)

I call Mr David Heath to speak. He got a soundbite in as well.

3.29 pm

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c163WH (Link to this contribution)

In light of the earlier comments by various hon. Members today, does the Minister agree that the ...

David Heath | 552 c164WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. Mr Havard, we are going to have an embarrassing degree of...

David Heath | 552 c164WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Tiverton and Honiton will agree with that contention, as I know whe...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 552 c165WH (Link to this contribution)

What would be helpful is a letter of clarification. Perhaps I am misinterpreting the Government r...

David Heath | 552 c165WH (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to give my hon. Friend a letter. Again—I am not trying to avoid the question—there may...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c165WH (Link to this contribution)

I get the hon. Lady’s point. What we need clarity on—I understand if the Minister cannot give it ...

David Heath | 552 c165WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has grasped that we need to understand from the Commission what will and will ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 552 c165WH (Link to this contribution)

To make it simple for the Minister, we want an assurance that he is saying what the outgoing Mini...

David Heath | 552 c165WH (Link to this contribution)

There is no change in position. I am simply saying that we certainly want to ensure that people a...

Dai Havard | 552 c165WH (Link to this contribution)

For the record, my understanding is that this discussion has been about Select Committee recommen...

David Heath | 552 c166WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to you for setting that out, Mr Havard, but I have to say that anyone who hopes to ...

Eilidh Whiteford | 552 c166WH (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Minister’s comments. Compliance has been the biggest single issue with the existing...

Dai Havard | 552 c166WH (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the hon. Lady. It is “Whiteford,” is it not? I got the first bit right but the sec...

David Heath | 552 c167WH (Link to this contribution)

It is certainly an awful lot better than the hon. Member for Ogmore’s pronunciation of the hon. L...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c167WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister return to the point that I raised about the Commission’s impact assessment sugg...

David Heath | 552 c167WH (Link to this contribution)

There are all sorts of competing interests. We heard from the hon. Member for Bristol East (Kerry...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c167WH (Link to this contribution)

I seek the Minister’s graciousness in giving way again only in order to highlight that his answer...

David Heath | 552 c167WH (Link to this contribution)

There is, but it must achieve the right objectives, and our concern about some of the proposals i...

David Heath | 552 cc168-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I note what the hon. Gentleman says about flexibility. That is certainly what we are trying to ac...

Neil Parish | 552 c169WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister makes an interesting point. There are cases in Europe of people wanting to exempt sm...

David Heath | 552 cc169-170WH (Link to this contribution)

Precisely so. Time and again people pay lip service to a “very good idea” but somehow it then doe...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c170WH (Link to this contribution)

I urge the Minister to keep his mind open, because the larger arable farmers would argue that the...

David Heath | 552 cc170-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I never close my mind to anything. I am always open to a discussion, but the hon. Gentleman’s pro...

David Heath | 552 c171WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether it is possible to snuggle up down a phone between Westminster and Edinburgh...

Dai Havard | 552 c171WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure where “snuggling” and “cuddling” fit in the lexicon of Hansard.

Huw Irranca-Davies | 552 c171WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister should put on record to whom he was snuggling up.

David Heath | 552 cc171-2WH (Link to this contribution)

An eminent member of the European Parliament’s agriculture and rural development committee, who I...

Dai Havard | 552 c172WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you all for an intelligent and informed discussion. I wish the Minister the best of luck wi...

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