Parliamentary search - Welfare Reform Bill

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735 c681-780

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2010-12

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Department for Work and Pensions

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Welfare Reform Bill. Commons reason and amendment.
Thursday, 2 February 2012
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Legislative scrutiny: Welfare Reform Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee twenty-first report with formal minutes and written evidence.
Tuesday, 6 December 2011
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Proceeding contributions

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 735 c751-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened very hard to the Minister as he has sought to explain the rejection of you...

Lord Freud | 735 c743-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I need to start by paying tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Patel, who has done some astonis...

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Lord Patel | 735 c745 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his very positive response. Like the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan,...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c748-51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to the amendments in Motion G2. I accept absolutely the Minister’s ass...

Lord Patel | 735 c743 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is true that some cancer patients may not need any treatment after surgery. But many ot...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c743 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when our amendments were considered in the other place, the Minister, Chris Grayling, emph...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 735 c743 (Link to this contribution) Did the noble Lord say that this would apply to 7,000 people?

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c743 (Link to this contribution) I understand that 7,000 is the figure. The noble Lord, Lord Patel, is nodding in assent.

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 735 c754 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like briefly to take up a point made by the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of R...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 735 c753-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to intervene briefly in this debate. I think that a household benefit cap is ...

Lord Patel | 735 c740-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I start, I would like to record my most sincere gratitude to the Minister for the c...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 735 c742 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the Motion of the noble Lord, Lord Patel, and in so doing I remind the House of ...

Lord Freud | 735 c740 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much. I was about to launch into the wrong thing. This is about the ESA provisions fo...

Lord Patel | 735 c740 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion F, at end insert ““but do propose Amendment 18B as an amendment in lieu””,...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 735 c739 (Link to this contribution) Do the acceptance speech.

Lord Freud | 735 c739 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 18 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reas...

Lord Freud | 735 c739 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Motion F. If I can just get to the right place—

Lord Freud | 735 c738-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 17B, 17C, 17D and 19B, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, mean that altho...

Lord Avebury | 735 c742-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may intervene briefly and question the noble Lord, Lord Patel, about the breadth...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 735 c765 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to the Motion that this House do not insist on its Amendment 73, at end insert ““but...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 735 c765-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving this amendment in lieu, I am all too painfully conscious of the unavoidable abse...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 735 c768-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to Motion H2—which is linked to Motion H1—and will speak to it now. The amen...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 735 c770-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am another of those who very much backed the amendment in the name of the noble and lear...

Lord Higgins | 735 c771-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after almost 10 years on the Opposition Front Bench as spokesman on social security, and d...

Baroness Sherlock | 735 c772-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the House of my interests—which are in the Register—as a former non-executive dir...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 735 c774-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that is for the convenience of the House and I am grateful to my noble friend fo...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 735 c774 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to interrupt at this point and it is extremely unusual to do so. I do so with n...

Lord Freud | 735 c777 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall start by addressing Amendment 73C, tabled by the noble and learned Baroness, Lady ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c776 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief. I agree with pretty much everything my noble friend Lady Sherlock said a...

Lord Empey | 735 c756-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have some remarks on Motion G2. I recall vividly that in the Autumn Statement there were...

Lord Freud | 735 c757-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in my opening remarks I described the measures that the Government are putting in place to...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c754-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am intervening only briefly, partly because I do not want to attack the right reverend P...

Baroness Drake | 735 c755-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Motion G1. I am conscious that I have entered the debate several times on the ma...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c760 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move. Division on Motion G2 Contents 134; Not-Contents 223. Motion G2, as an amendment G...

Lord Freud | 735 c762-3 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 73 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reas...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c758-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his detailed responses, as ever. It is all sweetness and light as...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c759-60 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion G, at end insert ““but do propose Amendments 47C to 47H as amendments in l...

Lord Freud | 735 c764-5 (Link to this contribution) This is paid over to lone parents as a group. That is what we are paying over to lone parents. Some ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c764 (Link to this contribution) To clarify the figures, is the £16 billion to which the noble Lord refers payable just to parents wi...

Lord Freud | 735 c763-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, clearly I am very aware of the strength of feeling that has featured in previous debates o...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 735 c779-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in view of the tenor of this debate, and specifically what has just been said, I can be ve...

Lord Freud | 735 c778-9 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend for that. In that spirit, I turn finally to my noble friend Lo...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c778 (Link to this contribution) Briefly, may I just—in the form of a question, as I think is appropriate—ask my noble friend whether...

Lord Freud | 735 c777-8 (Link to this contribution) I think it is clear that the way that maintenance direct works is that the two parents have to agree...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c777 (Link to this contribution) Is it not right that under the new proposals the non-resident parent makes the decision to use maint...

Lord Freud | 735 c745-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, by now the House will be well aware of the Government's reasons for introducing the benefi...

Lord Freud | 735 c745 (Link to this contribution) Motion G Moved by Moved by Lord Freud That this House do not insist on its Amendment 47 to which...

Lord Freud | 735 c728-9 (Link to this contribution) There have been considerable extensive debates in both Houses on the ESA provisions for young people...

Lord Freud | 735 c727 (Link to this contribution) Motion D Moved by Moved by Lord Freud That this House do not insist on its Amendments 15 and 23 ...

Lord Freud | 735 c703 (Link to this contribution) I think that we will be discussing this a lot in the years to come—it is not a dead issue. When you ...

Lord Freud | 735 c703-4 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that that may be one outcome but there may be a much more radical outcome in the introdu...

Lord Freud | 735 c704 (Link to this contribution) Nearly. I hope that I have made it clear that I really understand the concerns being expressed not j...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c704 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, will he write on the issue of transitional protection and changes o...

Lord Freud | 735 c704 (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords. I am sorry; I forgot to answer that. At this stage, I am not in a position to lay out...

Baroness Meacher | 735 c702-3 (Link to this contribution) This is an important point. Can the noble Lord make clear that, having undertaken the review, the Go...

Lord Freud | 735 c702 (Link to this contribution) Gosh, that is a good question. I had better hold my counsel on that. The amendment inserts a third ...

Lord Wigley | 735 c703 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for the clarification, which is very helpful. With such an important...

Lord Freud | 735 c703 (Link to this contribution) It will depend on what comes out of the review. If it concerns child PIP, which it may very well be,...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 735 c700 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, would like to press the point about the neutrality of the cost that the noble Baro...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 735 c700 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to contribute to this debate, but I wish to speak briefly. As a neurolo...

Lord Freud | 735 c702 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, many specific points have been made and I shall try to deal with them. We have debated thi...

Lord Peston | 735 c702 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord saying that we are being unreasonable for expecting some reasonable arguments from...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c700-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to intervene either. I will do so very briefly because I have made my p...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c701-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like other noble Lords, I think we should be grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher,...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 735 c699 (Link to this contribution) I am very glad to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas. Obviously, we all welcome the Minister’s c...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 735 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having spoken on this matter at all previous stages of the Bill, I would like to add a few...

Lord Peston | 735 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) I start from the position that when your Lordships pass an amendment, it is for the Commons to consi...

Baroness Wilkins | 735 c697 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it was shocking that the other place left so little time for the important amendment conce...

Countess of Mar | 735 c699 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like my noble friend Lady Meacher, I am a little puzzled as to why this amendment was reje...

Lord Freud | 735 c692-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise, I was keen not to waste time. I want to pick up on the comment made by my nob...

Baroness Meacher | 735 c694 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion A, at end insert ““but do propose Amendment 1B as an amendment in lieu”” ...

Baroness Meacher | 735 c694-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I say anything else, I will say two things. First, I was somewhat surprised that th...

Lord Wigley | 735 c697 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the Minister will know, I have a considerable interest in this matter. We have debated ...

Lord Laming | 735 c692 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry. This is a really important statement that we are all terribly keen to hear but...

Lord Freud | 735 c692 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I go into this Motion, I would like to pick up some of the points raised by my nobl...

Lord Freud | 735 c692 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 1 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reaso...

Lord Strathclyde | 735 c691 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Fowler, with his tremendous memory, harked back to 1986. He complaine...

Lord Strathclyde | 735 c691 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have long believed that there are adequate powers in this House, many of which we do not...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 735 c691 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am much obliged to the Leader of the House. I do not really believe that he has dealt sa...

Lord Higgins | 735 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is extremely helpful of the Leader of the House to set out the position so clearly, and...

Lord Strathclyde | 735 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased that I have taken the opportunity this afternoon to clarify something th...

Lord Naseby | 735 c689 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the 58th Chairman of Ways and Means I have to say to the noble Lord opposite, who is a ...

Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 735 c689 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have immense respect for the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde. Would he accept that bicamera...

Lord Fowler | 735 c688-9 (Link to this contribution) She introduced the Lords amendment that justified the disagreement thus: "““Because it would alter t...

Lord Fowler | 735 c688 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I might make a brief intervention as a former Secretary of State for Social Securi...

Baroness Boothroyd | 735 c687-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is obvious that the Leader of the House recognises the disquiet in many parts of this H...

Lord Morgan | 735 c687 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will just say that I am afraid I do not agree with my noble friend Lord Tyler on this.

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Leader of the House for his rather wide statement, especially for his...

Lord Laming | 735 c686 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not wish to get caught up in a cross-party dispute on these matters, which are very s...

Lord Strathclyde | 735 c681 (Link to this contribution) That the Commons reasons and amendment be now considered. That the Commons reasons and amendment be...

Lord Strathclyde | 735 c681-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move the Motion on behalf of my noble friend Lord Freud. I also felt that it migh...

Baroness Meacher | 735 c704-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. I accept what he says about the simplification of the system....

Lord Freud | 735 c705 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 2, 3 and 26 to which the Commons have disagreed for ...

Lord Freud | 735 c705-7 (Link to this contribution) We have debated this measure at length and I am grateful for the intensity and conviction of those w...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 735 c731-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as we have heard, without our amendment, the Bill will deny thousands of disabled people a...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 735 c730-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I admit that this is not the amendment that I had wanted to move but I have been prevented...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 735 c733-4 (Link to this contribution) I was troubled when the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, alleged that the use of EU law was a pretext—I ...

Lord Freud | 735 c733 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the short answer is that we will monitor it. However, I do not accept the amendment and I ...

Lord Best | 735 c722-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful to people from all parts of the House who have joined in this deba...

Lord Freud | 735 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have to look at these things in the round, as we did with the Bill. The reality is that...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 735 c730 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion D, at end insert ““but do propose Amendment 23B as an amendment in lieu”” ...

Lord Freud | 735 c727 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 4 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reaso...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c721 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord saying that those rates would be lower if the £30 million had not been made availa...

Lord Freud | 735 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment in lieu of the noble Lord, Lord Best, seeks to exempt certain categories whe...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c737-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 17B, 17C, 17D and 19B relate to the time limit for the contributory employment ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c737 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion E, leave out from ““17A”” to the end and insert ““and do not agree with th...

Lord Freud | 735 c736-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there has been extensive debate in both Houses on ESA provisions. Many points were made an...

Lord Freud | 735 c736 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 17 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reas...

Lord Freud | 735 c734 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is an enormous question. In this context, I am in no position to give the undertaking...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 735 c734 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord moves off the point, will he give us the assurance I asked for that, whether o...

Lord Freud | 735 c734 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am always delighted to take the advice of someone who occupied my room in the department...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 735 c734 (Link to this contribution) In my experience in the department, over eight years and with a dozen Bills, the legal advice was us...

Lord Freud | 735 c734 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords. The department has an international wing that monitors this matter very closely and is...

Lord German | 735 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I raise a number of issues that the Minister considered on Report, I shall just say...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 735 c717 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be even briefer in supporting my noble friend Lord Best. My noble friend Lord Wigl...

Lord Wigley | 735 c717 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Best, and thank him for the tremendous work that he did in Committee,...

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 735 c716-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I thank both the noble Lord, Lord Best, for his persistence and t...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c719-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government have moved in a number of ways on the issues that have been returned from t...

Lord Best | 735 c707-8 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion B, at end insert ““but do propose Amendments 3B and 26B as amendments in l...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 735 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Newton, has made a very important point about the lack of social hous...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c714-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having been a serial good-behaviour person this week, I thought that I ought at least, in ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 735 c712-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, universal credit is about using benefits to encourage behavioural change, and above all to...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c748 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion G, at end insert ““but do propose Amendment 47B as an amendment in lieu”” ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 735 c739 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his acceptance of those amendments. He helped to dr...

Baroness Meacher | 735 c703 (Link to this contribution) I really do not want to hold up the House at this stage but this is such an important point. My unde...

Lord Morgan | 735 c687 (Link to this contribution) Well, sometimes he is—but the view that we heard is historically flawed. The idea that there has bee...

Lord Tyler | 735 c685-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a genuine respect for the noble Baroness, Lady Baroness Royall of Blaisdon, but I a...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 735 c735 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful, first, to my noble friend Lady Hayter of Kentish Town for her very helpful ...

Lord Best | 735 c708-12 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this combined amendment seeks to achieve a compromise on the so-called bedroom tax, the un...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c769-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am intervening—as usual, you might think—for two reasons. First, on the previous occasio...

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