Parliamentary search - Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill [HL]

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2008-09

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Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 2-EN also published.
Thursday, 4 December 2008
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Lord Smith of Leigh | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that answer, which has clarified one or two points. In particular, at th...

Lord Greaves | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment 187B and the other amendments in the group, except Amendment 187C, which ...

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Baroness Warsi | 708 c70GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 72: Approval of revision by Secretary of State Amendment 178 178: Clause 72, page 48, line ...

Lord Judd | 708 c63-4GC (Link to this contribution) It is not for me to thank my noble friend for that guidance, because it is not my amendment, but I f...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c58GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her response. I am a little disappointed and I still have concerns about ho...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c84-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her detailed response. It has not been easy for me to follow the arguments,...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c88-9GC (Link to this contribution) We have a number of amendments in this group. Part 6 has been described as ““enabling”” and ““volunt...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c86-8GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 193A, 194, 194PA, 194VA, 194ZA and 195 and on the Question whether ...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c86GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 83: EPBs and their areas Amendment 183A 183A: Clause 83, page 52, line 14, leave out ““The ...

Lord Greaves | 708 c97GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister give the Committee four, five or six examples of the kind of powers she is talking ...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord asked an absolutely pertinent, central question. If government thinking has not got f...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c101-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for what can only be described as a valiant and passionate defence of economic ...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord looks at the PBR Statement, the options under consideration are set out clearly. T...

Lord Greaves | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) I misunderstood then.

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that but I think that the noble Baroness started by explaining the support that this pr...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c100-1GC (Link to this contribution) That is slightly harsh. It depends on the EPB in question. Let us assume that an EPB is set up and t...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c102-3GC (Link to this contribution) Combined authorities will be a combination of EPBs and integrated transport authorities. The noble L...

Lord Greaves | 708 c102GC (Link to this contribution) This is a fairly simple matter. I shall speak also to Amendment 194Q, which is in the same group. Th...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, which is getting clearer by the minute. My understanding is that districts could be members, bu...

Lord Greaves | 708 c104GC (Link to this contribution) I have one or two amendments in this group. They are all essentially about the same issue, which is ...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister answer the question not just as would but could? In other words: whether the power ...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, am very grateful for the Minister’s undertaking to look at the position of the districts. Th...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c108-9GC (Link to this contribution) I was not expecting that question to be asked in relation to this group of amendments, so I shall si...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c110GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 84: Constitution Amendment 184 184: Clause 84, page 52, line 35, leave out ““by order make ...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c110-1GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 185 to 188 inclusive. This group of amendments concerns the constit...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c114-5GC (Link to this contribution) The majority of people on this board will be elected members of the authorities. We are saying that ...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.

Baroness Warsi | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) I think I referred to that when I said that his heart warms as I speak. I am not sure that many Libe...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c70-1GC (Link to this contribution) Following correspondence with the Minister, I do not intend to move Amendments 178, 179 or 180. Thes...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c70GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, want to refer to community involvement. Those words appear in the heading to Clause 69 but t...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c74-5GC (Link to this contribution) I have one amendment in this group. Amendment 181 would simply insert a duty to evaluate from a cost...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c64GC (Link to this contribution) I am on the lookout for centralising maniacs, but I have never noticed that tendency in the noble Ba...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c56-7GC (Link to this contribution) It is nice to be back after having had a break. The amendments that we are considering relate to Cla...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c56GC (Link to this contribution) This is the seventh day but we are not resting. My Amendment 173A builds on what the noble Baroness ...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c58-9GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 175 and 176. This group of amendments pertains to the review and re...

Lord Brougham and Vaux | 708 c55GC (Link to this contribution) Good afternoon and welcome to our seventh sitting. There will not be any Divisions in the Chamber so...

Lord Greaves | 708 c78-9GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Hamwee and the noble Baroness, Lady Warsi, for speaking to the...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c80-1GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 182 was inspired by the Local Government Association, whose support and efforts the Govern...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 708 c85GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn for 10 minutes. Sitting suspended. Am...

Lord Greaves | 708 c91-3GC (Link to this contribution) ““Operates in”” perhaps. These towns act as a counterbalance to a centrifugal tendency for everythin...

Lord Greaves | 708 c90-1GC (Link to this contribution) I have three clause stand part objections in this group of amendments but, having scrutinised them r...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c93-6GC (Link to this contribution) Because of the need to make it clear to noble Lords what EPBs are about and why they are necessary, ...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c96GC (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the noble Lord is talking about the process of creating unitary authorities, w...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c96GC (Link to this contribution) I have totally followed everything the Minister has said and all the sweetness and light in terms of...

Lord Greaves | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Smith, has just asked my first question, so I will not ask it again. I am not c...

Lord Greaves | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) Did the Minister say that there might be different levels of benefit in different areas?

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c103GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 183C 183C: Clause 83, page 52, line 27, at end insert ““with the participation and consen...

Lord Greaves | 708 c109-10GC (Link to this contribution) I think that I understand the answer. The board could sit either on top of all the top-tier authorit...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c111GC (Link to this contribution) I part company with the noble Baroness only on her optimistic analysis that this matter is not conte...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Minister for having interrupted her speech earlier when she was developing a thor...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c115-6GC (Link to this contribution) I shall not ask the Minister to respond now but in a letter which may be getting longer as we talk a...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c113GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Minister, but my intervention is prompted partly by what the noble Lord, Lord Gre...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c113-4GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that noble Lords will take the time to read what I have said in response to the amendments to...

Lord Greaves | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, I have obviously missed something. There are obviously councillors sat around this Table lookin...

Lord Tope | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, they do—including mine, I am pleased to say.

Lord Greaves | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) To save the noble Baroness’s embarrassment, perhaps I may say that it was to her words that I was re...

Lord Geddes | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot call Amendment 187A since Amendment 187 has not been moved. Amendments 187B to 188A not mo...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c71-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Warsi, for not moving her amendments so that we can avoid ...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c71GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments 178A, 179B and 180B all seek to ensure that modifications to the draft revision of a regi...

Lord Greaves | 708 c73GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 75: Implementation Amendment 180F 180F: Clause 75, page 49, line 28, leave out subsection (...

Lord Greaves | 708 c73-4GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 75 comes under the heading ““Implementation of strategy””. It is a short clause, which is hea...

Lord Judd | 708 c69-70GC (Link to this contribution) I was not going to intervene on the amendment but the noble Lord has rather challenged me to say a w...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c66-8GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may first respond to that point, which I can clarify. I am grateful to the noble Baroness ...

Lord Greaves | 708 c68-9GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make a couple of comments before the promoters of the amendments reply to what the Min...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c66GC (Link to this contribution) I speak to Amendment 177. This is, I hope, just a drafting issue. If not, it might turn out to be a ...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c57-8GC (Link to this contribution) I hope the Minister will take this comment in the right spirit. I do not think that the tone of what...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c58GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 68: Review and revision by responsible regional authorities Amendment 174 174: Clause 68, p...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c61-3GC (Link to this contribution) I turn first to the review of the regional strategy. I am pleased to see my noble friend in such goo...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c55GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 67: Responsible regional authorities Amendment 172B 172B: Clause 67, page 45, line 39, leav...

Baroness Maddock | 708 c82GC (Link to this contribution) I add my support to what has been said. Having been on a district council getting money from an RDA,...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c75-7GC (Link to this contribution) I shall address, first, the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Greaves. I am relieved to find ...

Baroness Maddock | 708 c77GC (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend responds, perhaps I may ask the noble Baroness a couple of questions. I am so...

Lord Smith of Leigh | 708 c91GC (Link to this contribution) ““Rains”” on.

Lord Smith of Leigh | 708 c89-90GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for being late for the start of the Committee, but I was approving a report for the Grea...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c97GC (Link to this contribution) I will not get into that issue, with respect, because we have had some long debates both in regard t...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c97GC (Link to this contribution) I will clarify. When one tries to follow the Government’s logic, one cannot help noticing that there...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c97-100GC (Link to this contribution) I have given examples of the kinds of things we can legitimately expect—for example, new skills fund...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) I shall have to write to the noble Lord about what stage ITAs are at. I am not sufficiently well sig...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) No.

Lord Greaves | 708 c102GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 183B 183B: Clause 83, page 52, line 15, leave out ““prosperity”” and insert ““regeneratio...

Lord Tope | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) Which is getting better.

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c103-4GC (Link to this contribution) I shall give the numbers of our amendments in this large group as I go through it. The group is abou...

Lord Greaves | 708 c103GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 183B withdrawn.

Baroness Andrews | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) My understanding—

Baroness Andrews | 708 c104-7GC (Link to this contribution) I set out in some detail and at some length on the previous group of amendments how we see EPBs work...

Lord Greaves | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for responding, particularly on an amendment that, with all this Alpha...

Lord Greaves | 708 c111-2GC (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment 184B in this group, which is to probe Clause 84(2)(b), which states: "““The provisi...

Lord Greaves | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 183D 183D: Clause 83, page 52, line 30, at end insert ““, other than a non-unitary distri...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, went to the nub of the issue. I am sure that the intention behind t...

Lord Greaves | 708 c114GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell us, as a matter of principle, why local authority functions should be decided ...

Lord Smith of Leigh | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) You must have missed one of the Bills.

Lord Greaves | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) There may be some. Are there? There are none in my experience.

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c71GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 178A 178A: Clause 72, page 48, line 15, leave out ““consult such persons (if any) as the ...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c72-3GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister is very persuasive, but on perhaps a slightly different point from the ones I was raisi...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c65GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 70: Examination in public Amendment 176B 176B: Clause 70, page 46, line 36, at end insert— ...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c64-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for her response. I was heartened by her words about the intention of ...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c64GC (Link to this contribution) There are those who think that I am a centralising maniac—maybe not entirely—but I reassure my noble...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 176C, 176D, 176E and 180C. The clause concerns the examination in p...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c58GC (Link to this contribution) I am absolutely of the same opinion. We have got a lot of work to do today but we shall do it in the...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c59-60GC (Link to this contribution) We have added our names to Amendment 175, which raises similar concerns about the Secretary of State...

Lord Judd | 708 c60-1GC (Link to this contribution) As there was a reference to me, perhaps I should intervene. I apologise for not having associated my...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c55-6GC (Link to this contribution) This amendment, it might be said, is a precautionary amendment. I am concerned about the implication...

Lord Tope | 708 c81-2GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness said, my noble friend Lady Hamwee and I have put our names to this amendment, ...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c82-4GC (Link to this contribution) The opposition amendments provide for each RDA to have the power to delegate any of their functions ...

Baroness Andrews | 708 c78GC (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give the noble Baroness as much information as I can. I will do that in writing; when ...

Baroness Warsi | 708 c80GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 182 182: After Clause 77, insert the following new Clause— ““Delegation by regional devel...

Baroness Hamwee | 708 c75GC (Link to this contribution) I suspect that the Minister will not see our Amendment 180G as helpful or constructive. We feel that...

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