Parliamentary search - Serious Crime Bill [Lords]

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461 c661-720

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2006-07

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Second reading

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Serious Crime Bill (HL). Brought from the Lords. Explanatory Notes Bill 103-En also published.
Thursday, 10 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions

David Burrowes | 461 c662 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentions heroin reaching our streets. Given that the Serious Organised Crime Agency has...

Tony McNulty | 461 c662 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know, because he is an astute Member, that we are talking about subsequent l...

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David TC Davies | 461 c662 (Link to this contribution) Everyone wants to deal with heroin dealers effectively. Is the Minister aware that only two people w...

Tony McNulty | 461 c661-2 (Link to this contribution) I am fully aware of those points, and they go to my opening remarks. I suggest that the hon. and lea...

Lord Garnier | 461 c661 (Link to this contribution) The Minister suggested that this place should not become a legislative sausage machine. He will know...

Tony McNulty | 461 c661 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. I turn first to a point that we must collec...

Tony McNulty | 461 c663-4 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that that was not entertaining. Very unusually for a man of the law like the hon. and le...

Lord Garnier | 461 c663 (Link to this contribution) I can understand that salmon poaching using dynamite would be a serious offence, but legislation alr...

Robert Neill | 461 c664 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that as the Bill provides that the threshold for making the order is reached only in th...

Tony McNulty | 461 c662 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely not. I am tempted to apologise to the House for introducing the issue of heroin, which do...

Tony McNulty | 461 c663 (Link to this contribution) The offence merits inclusion as a serious crime under certain circumstances. Neither I nor any other...

Greg Knight | 461 c663 (Link to this contribution) We all want effective action against serious crime, but I am rather puzzled by how the Government de...

Tony McNulty | 461 c663 (Link to this contribution) I know, but my expertise in environmental crime is not as comprehensive or detailed as ACPO’s, and I...

Greg Knight | 461 c663 (Link to this contribution) You are the Minister!

Tony McNulty | 461 c663 (Link to this contribution) I was going to leave the hon. and learned Gentleman alone for a moment but, for the sake of the Hous...

Lord Garnier | 461 c663 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way?

Lord Benyon | 461 c706-8 (Link to this contribution) Much of what I was going to say has been said, so Members will be relieved to know that I will be bl...

Lord Garnier | 461 c699-702 (Link to this contribution) for the purposes of my argument, I think I must accept that the principle against which I am arguing...

Lord Coaker | 461 c716 (Link to this contribution) It will be interesting to hear whether the hon. Gentleman supports the independence of the judiciary...

Lord Coaker | 461 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) I start by saying a couple of things about the general tenor of the debate. I welcome very much the ...

James Brokenshire | 461 c710-5 (Link to this contribution) There is little doubt that the threat to this country from organised crime remains high. In its annu...

Elfyn Llwyd | 461 c699 (Link to this contribution) The hon. and learned Gentleman rightly referred to the civil concept in the criminal courts. People ...

Lord Garnier | 461 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) Possibly that, too. Perhaps Labour Back Benchers have legislation fatigue. I mentioned in an interve...

Kevin Brennan | 461 c692 (Link to this contribution) Quite right too.

Geoffrey Cox | 461 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) As I listened to the debate, I became increasingly concerned by a thought that has been bearing down...

Lord Coaker | 461 c695 (Link to this contribution) indicated dissent.

Geoffrey Cox | 461 c692-5 (Link to this contribution) I do not say that, in itself, such a provision is not right. However, we must ask ourselves whether ...

Lord Garnier | 461 c696 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to interrupt my hon. and learned Friend because he is making a powerful speech, but the 2...

Geoffrey Cox | 461 c695-6 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is shaking his head, so we can all rejoice at that. It is lawful to produce that type ...

Lord Garnier | 461 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Torridge and West Devon (Mr. Cox) on the mo...

Geoffrey Cox | 461 c696-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. and learned Friend is right. I was about to cite one example. Barely two years after the mon...

Jeremy Browne | 461 c684-91 (Link to this contribution) It was a pleasure to hear what may have been the farewell speech of the Minister for Security, Count...

Jeremy Browne | 461 c698 (Link to this contribution) Or to speak against it.

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) That is a very interesting suggestion. The crucial criteria should be that members of that Committee...

Robert Neill | 461 c681 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend about the Privy Council committee and its composition, and perh...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c681 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is, of course, being helpful, as ever, and I am grateful for his clarification. However...

Tony McNulty | 461 c681 (Link to this contribution) It is my understanding that discussions between the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition ...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c680 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. Andy Hayman concluded by saying that the fact that we did not allow...

Robert Neill | 461 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) To reinforce my hon. Friend’s argument and to close down, I hope, the suggestion that the assistant ...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c679 (Link to this contribution) Quite clearly, the Minister was seeking to dismiss the comments of the assistant commissioner, who t...

Tony McNulty | 461 c679 (Link to this contribution) With the greatest respect, I am saying that the hon. Gentleman is showing his ignorance by saying th...

Rob Marris | 461 c682 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his generosity in giving way. On his understandable concern about dat...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c682-4 (Link to this contribution) That was not the view of the Joint Committee. I am open-minded about whether the Government can reas...

Lord Garnier | 461 c677 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris) might also care to note that provision is...

Geoffrey Cox | 461 c677 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend think of a reason why the Serious Organised Crime Agency might wish to prosecute?...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c677 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. and learned Friend for his assistance. The concerns about the measures, wh...

Tony McNulty | 461 c675 (Link to this contribution) That is an entirely fair point. My hon. Friend will know that we are going down that route in the pr...

Rob Marris | 461 c677 (Link to this contribution) I think that I am following the hon. Gentleman’s argument carefully and that I understand it, but he...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) The whole House will acknowledge the need to deal with serious crime, the economic and social costs ...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c677-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. and learned Friend makes a good point. Just as the Government make great play of their desir...

Tony McNulty | 461 c679 (Link to this contribution) He is showing his ignorance.

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c679 (Link to this contribution) From a sedentary position, the Minister says that the assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan pol...

Tony McNulty | 461 c669 (Link to this contribution) I would say the contrary: I think that they do, but I do not accept that the ARA has not been succes...

David TC Davies | 461 c669 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way; he is being extremely generous. Given that what he rig...

Tony McNulty | 461 c671 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend knows, we have already taken various steps—including taking forward the UK action ...

Evan Harris | 461 c671 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister moves on to the two issues that he intends to raise, can I take him back to the ...

Tony McNulty | 461 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) Well, if that information is to hand—and I do not know whether it is or not off the top of my head—I...

Rob Marris | 461 c670 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his generosity. Under schedule 1, one of the offences defined as...

Rob Marris | 461 c675 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the review on intercept evidence and I quite understand my hon. Friend’s reservations abou...

Tony McNulty | 461 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it and as the hon. Gentleman will know, that stems from initial discussions between ...

Nick Clegg | 461 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister further clarify his understanding of the mandate of the review mechanism to which ...

Tony McNulty | 461 c671-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know that there is a hierarchy involved. As my noble and learned Friend Baro...

Tony McNulty | 461 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree that the hon. Gentleman’s point goes beyond those raised by Liberty, but they will al...

Margaret Moran | 461 c665 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?

Tony McNulty | 461 c665 (Link to this contribution) When I have finished the sentence. The measures will automatically attract the oversight of the Inf...

Margaret Moran | 461 c665 (Link to this contribution) I am sure my hon. Friend will join me in offering our condolences to the family of PC Jon Henry, who...

Tony McNulty | 461 c665-7 (Link to this contribution) I associate myself absolutely with my hon. Friend’s remarks about PC Jon Henry and about our fully i...

Tony McNulty | 461 c667-8 (Link to this contribution) It is right and proper to specify in the way that we have. I know of the concerns of the JCHR, but t...

Margaret Moran | 461 c667 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the measures on data sharing and the Minister’s assurances that they will not be used for ...

Tony McNulty | 461 c668 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has got the wrong end of the stick. This year, the Assets Recovery Agency has bee...

Jeremy Wright | 461 c668 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that one of the reasons why the Assets Recovery Agency has not been as succ...

Jeremy Wright | 461 c668 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the Minister entirely, and I certainly do not suggest that any of the practices to whic...

Lord Coaker | 461 c718 (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I unfortunately made it appear that a barrister was somehow at odds with the judgment...

Elfyn Llwyd | 461 c718 (Link to this contribution) Perish the thought.

Lord Coaker | 461 c717-8 (Link to this contribution) The remarks that I am about to make will answer the hon. and learned Gentleman’s question, at least ...

Elfyn Llwyd | 461 c718 (Link to this contribution) I did not disagree with the House of Lords judgment. I said that the judgment allows for a civil sta...

Lord Coaker | 461 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) I am not making a false argument. The argument that I am using is the argument used by the House of ...

Lord Coaker | 461 c718 (Link to this contribution) Perish the thought, as the hon. Gentleman says. I did not mean to do that at all. All that I was try...

Lord Garnier | 461 c718 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to add more confusion where there is plenty already, but in my experience, in a civil ...

Lord Coaker | 461 c716-7 (Link to this contribution) With respect to the hon. Gentleman, the point that I was making, as I think every other hon. Member ...

Geoffrey Cox | 461 c717 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that the orders will be dealt with on the basis of reasonable doubt, and I have ev...

Jeremy Browne | 461 c716 (Link to this contribution) I did not wish to cause the Minister personal offence. The point that I was trying to make was that ...

Robert Neill | 461 c708-10 (Link to this contribution) Given the powerful and persuasive speeches made by Members—solely on this side of the Chamber, I mig...

Elfyn Llwyd | 461 c702-6 (Link to this contribution) Having heard two very powerful speeches, I can be rather briefer than I intended. The hon. and lear...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 461 c677 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman does not seem to understand that it is a civil process and that is exactly the ki...

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