Nationality and Borders Bill

My Lords, I hesitate to follow my noble friend, who is an expert on this issue. I declare an inte...

My Lords, we support Amendment 34, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Ludford. We raised this iss...

I thank both noble Lords for their comments and, in particular, the noble Baroness, Lady Ludford,...

Hear, hear.

I think that is one of the only times I will get a “hear, hear” over the course of this Bill, so ...

Hear, hear.

My Lords, I do not want to sound churlish at all by asking this question. The “Hear, hears” were ...

I do not have the exact detail on the date. I understand her point about 29 March being a signifi...

My Lords, just to follow that up, the Minister will understand that I am concerned that some peop...

I will of course do that.

My Lords, I certainly welcome a great deal of what the Minister had to say, and I thank her for i...

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

35: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause—

...

My Lords, this might scramble our brains a little less than the last amendment. Amendment 35 woul...

My Lords, I shall be exceptionally brief as we had a number of significant debates on statelessne...

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, and the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for their bri...

My Lords, I shall be brief because I regard this amendment as an amuse-bouche, if you like, befor...

Moved by

Lord Paddick

36: Before Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—

“S...

My Lords, I shall also speak to the other amendment in this group. The group is about probing wha...

My Lords, I will say a little more than I have on the two previous groups. I think Amendment 36, ...

I agree with the noble Lord—he made the point comprehensively—except that he pulled his punches. ...

My Lords, I rise to briefly support what the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, has just said to the House ab...

My Lords, first, I would like to apologise to the House, the Front Bench in particular, the Minis...

My Lords, I rise first of all, briefly, to support Amendment 129, in the names of the noble Lord,...

Can I just ask the noble Lord about his assumption—it seemed to be a stereotype—that young single...

My Lords, it is not demonising; it is common sense. The routes that now exist are dangerous and d...

But that is why we need family reunion routes.

Can I just point out that the Refugee Council, for example, has made the point that cutting back ...

I certainly accept the last part of that. Many countries in the third world are doing far more fo...

Can I ask my noble friend to return to the point about what might constitute a safe route? The sp...

My Lords, on the question of safe routes, which has just been touched on from both sides, the poi...

If I may answer my noble friend’s point, my answer to the Yazidis or particular problems of that ...

Before my noble friend concludes, does he also agree that instead of constantly going on about th...

I think there probably is scope for discussion between Governments as this problem becomes an inc...

May I just suggest to the Committee that we proceed with the Committee? I occasionally have night...

I will take that as an invitation. Thank you very much indeed. I will try not to be a nightmare.<...

I am sorry to disappoint the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti. I thank those who have been compli...

My Lords, I shall comment briefly on the discussion we have been having. Why is it young men? I t...

I thank all noble Lords who participated in this wide-ranging and powerful debate. We did perhaps...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. It was rather longer and broade...

Would the noble Lord like to say what he thinks the fair share should be?

Yes, I can give the noble Lord an example. Let us look at the number of asylum claims per 10,000 ...

In giving that figure, will the noble Lord take into account the relative density of population o...

The number of applications per 10,000 population, I think, takes into account the population in e...

I cannot have been clear. There is a relative density of population. This country is about to ove...

I am not in the Government. I do not set what the policy will be in relation to the number of asy...

This will be my last intervention on this matter. We have resettled more than 25,000 people since...

No—I am afraid that the note that the noble Lord was just passed by the Minister is not accurate....

Tabled by

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering

37: Clause 11, page 13, line 33, leave out “...

My Lords, I speak in place of the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Pickering, and welcome the opp...

I would like to say a word in support of the spirit of these amendments. Specifically, I would li...

My Lords, Clause 11 is the most objectionable clause in this whole objectionable Bill. It has to ...

My Lords, I would like to introduce into this debate a subject about which we have heard almost n...

I wonder if I could ask the noble Lord two questions. First, obviously public opinion is always r...

My point is that we should pay regard to opinion but it is rarely mentioned in debates about immi...

I agree that public opinion is incredibly important but, at the same time, we are meant to be lea...

Too long!

Sorry. I disagree with the noble Lord.

I think there has been plenty of leadership on this issue over the years. People who have support...

My Lords—

I will not take another intervention, if the noble Baroness does not mind, as I have given way tw...

The noble Lord, Lord Horam, makes a fair point: we must certainly take account of public opinion....

Can I just—?

Order!

Intervention!

I am not sure who is interrupting whom. If I am interrupting the noble Lord, I will stop.

With due respect to the noble Lord—I really do have great respect for him—I do not think we want ...

My Lords, since an illustration I gave has been added to the discourse of the noble Lord, I feel ...

I think that is a matter on which the Government will no doubt make their position plain. As I un...

My Lords, it is interesting—

Lord Clarke.

Sorry, I thought the noble and learned Lord, Lord Clarke, gave way to me.

I am not accustomed to the practices of this place; I am quite happy to see the debate alternate ...

My Lords, I speak solely as a lawyer. I did not speak at Second Reading; I would have needed to a...

My Lords, in rising to support the proposal that Clause 11 do not stand part, to which I have add...

My Lords, I feel profoundly uncomfortable with Clause 11, and I am very tempted to vote for it to...

My Lords, I think we have been having this debate all my adult life and probably all my life, but...

My Lords—

My Lords—

The noble and learned Lord has an amendment and he wishes to speak to it.

My Lords, I would like to speak to my Amendment 41. It is a very specific amendment relating to C...

I am very grateful to the noble and learned Lord for giving way, and I agree with his analysis en...

Strictly speaking, the legal position is that there is no basis for individuals to enforce the co...

My Lords, I think the House would be grateful if somebody, in one sentence, expressed appreciatio...

My Lords, I remind everyone that Clause 11 is not only not about immigration, let alone illegal i...

My Lords, I listened carefully to the noble Baroness, Lady Ludford, and she quite rightly reminde...

My Lords, I oppose Clause 11 and simply want to pose four questions, the answers to which I hope ...

My Lords, I shall be extremely brief; this has been a long debate. I just want to commend the nob...

My Lords, this part of the Bill has a very simple purpose: it is designed by the Government to ma...

My Lords, I shall resist the temptation to offer a view on what public opinion is. What I do reme...

I am sorry to disappoint noble Lords, but I am the lead signatory on the Clause 11 stand part pro...

The noble Lord is absolutely right. Asylum has accounted for about 40,000 people a year for the l...

The noble Lord, Lord Green of Deddington, and I agree. This Bill has totally the wrong focus. It ...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I have been requested to confir...

If I understand the noble Baroness aright, there is nothing to stop this sovereign Parliament set...

I was not clear about the noble Baroness’s reference to me. The fact that I did not actually say ...

I think what I was trying to say, maybe clumsily, was that the noble Baroness was trying to get b...

The clause breaches the refugee convention, in my opinion. I agree with many people who said that...

I was not making that point, but I accept the noble Baroness’s point.

The noble Lord, Lord ...

Yes, as I am having various motives attributed to me. As I said, I came here with a dilemma. I do...

Unfortunately, I am not right honourable, although you never know. I hope to persuade my noble an...

The Minister has not addressed the UNHCR’s point that if every country insisted on the first poin...

As I have said, we disagree with the UNHCR on that point. If I can turn to pull factors—

Excuse me, why? Why do you disagree? I am sorry but it is not enough to simply say “We disagree”....

I hope that, through the course of my response here, I will lay out the rationale for why we are ...

If the Government’s argument is to be that they have a different interpretation, it is not clear ...

I think the noble Baroness knows that we do not do that. I am not going to commit to publishing t...

I apologise to the Minister, but it will not do. The noble Lord, Lord Paddick, corrected a misapp...

My Lords, I was at pains to say that this is under national resettlement schemes. I have not trie...

I hope the Minister would acknowledge that—speaking only for myself—what I was doing was objectin...

My Lords, noble Lords have repeatedly talked about undermining family reunion. I confirm to the n...

Can I just clarify a point? The Minister has said it is not true that family reunion rights are g...

It is not correct to say that family reunion rights will be restricted for group 2 refugees. They...

My Lords, I—

Can I just carry on? I will then of course allow an intervention from the noble Lord; he is alway...

I would because I am getting thoroughly confused, which is something I perhaps do quite frequentl...

Before the noble Baroness responds, I add that I do not think that the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, i...

May I just add to that? Clause 11(5) says:

“The Secretary of State or an immigration office...

My Lords, I hope that I can clarify: everyone gets ECHR-compliant family reunion rights. Having c...

To comply with the ECHR means complying not just with Article 8 but with Article 8 read with Arti...

It is differentiation rather than discrimination. The two are quite different.

Amendments 4...

My Lords, what a debate this has been. I thank all those who have contributed to it. It has certa...