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Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 4 February 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bates.
Lords report stage second day. (Part 1 of 2.)
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
759 cc666-713 
Session
2014-15
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill 2014-15. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 28 January 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2015-0166
Monday, 9 February 2015
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Hamwee | 759 c666 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

13A: Clause 25, page 17, line 17, leave out “due”

Baroness Hamwee | 759 cc666-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 13B. Clause 25 provides that “due regard” must be given...


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Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 759 c668 (Link to this contribution)

We had a considerable debate in Committee on these issues. I shall speak to Amendment 13B and abo...

Baroness Afshar | 759 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should like to speak in defence of the amendment, because, more and more, parliamenta...

Baroness Buscombe | 759 c669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend the Minister as I suspect—I do not know—that he will not agre...

Baroness Brinton | 759 cc669-670 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to Amendments 13A and 13B. I want to comment on my noble friend Lad...

Lord Scriven | 759 c670 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support my noble friend in Amendment 13A. I want to share my experience as a fo...

Lord Judd | 759 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, commend this amendment for very serious consideration by the Government. We all...

Lord Hussain | 759 cc671-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as somebody who has been deputy leader of Luton Borough Council, I support my colleague...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 c672 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly on this. I was reflecting on my own student days when we had serious pro...

Baroness Buscombe | 759 c672 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. I never in the least bit insinuated that that...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 cc672-3 (Link to this contribution)

That clarification is helpful and I am grateful for that. I did not know that the noble Baroness ...

Lord Bates | 759 c673 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a good curtain-raiser debate because we will come back to this issue in f...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 c674 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. I have just rushed into the Chamber and caught my noble friend’s words. What interes...

Lord Bates | 759 cc674-5 (Link to this contribution)

The definition that we are working to—I shall put it on the record for my noble friend as we have...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c675 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, has he had any inspiration about the term “particular regard” whic...

Lord Bates | 759 c675 (Link to this contribution)

The short answer is that that inspiration is perhaps on its way to me. Perhaps I may come back to...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c675 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thought that I gave notice to the Bill team, whose heads are no doubt spinning with t...

Lord Bates | 759 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I can tell the noble Baroness that the “particular regard” element is actually in relation to the...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c676 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot resist asking: how is this going to go down with schoolmasters and the rest?

Lord Bates | 759 c676 (Link to this contribution)

I will leave that to the schoolmasters. However, in this regard, my noble friend should find this...

Baroness Hamwee | 759 c676 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said, there is something of a hierarchy in this. “Having regard” implies proportio...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 759 c676 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

14: Clause 25, page 17, line 31, at end insert—

Lord Hope of Craighead | 759 cc676-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it falls to me to move Amendment 14 which is the first of five amendments in this group...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 759 cc679-681 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 14, to which I have added my name. I am grateful to the noble and l...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 14 in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope of Craighe...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 759 cc682-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is no doubt that freedom of speech and universities is utterly essential. Without...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 759 cc683-4 (Link to this contribution)

In speaking to my Amendment 14A, I again declare an interest as warden of Wadham College, Oxford....

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 759 cc684-5 (Link to this contribution)

Today I found a piece of satire that said:

“Top universities a ‘breeding ground’ for Tories...

Baroness Buscombe | 759 cc685-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 14. This is one of those moments when I feel, as I su...

Lord Morgan | 759 cc687-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a long and fascinating debate and, like other speakers, I pay tribute to ...

Baroness Deech | 759 cc688-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a former independent adjudicator for higher education, in whic...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 c689 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. Will she accept that this Bill does make...

Baroness Deech | 759 c689 (Link to this contribution)

It is the amendments which I do not think will make any difference. Whether the noble Lord’s dire...

Lord Deben | 759 cc689-691 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we ought to realise that we are talking not just about the problems of terrorism but ab...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 759 cc691-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Deben may remember that the subsection in the 1986 Act was embedde...

Lord Judd | 759 cc692-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, not for the first time in my political life, I applauded every word of the noble Lord, ...

Lord Pannick | 759 cc693-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to Amendment 14A, to which the noble Lord, Lord Macdonald of River Glav...

Baroness Brinton | 759 cc694-5 (Link to this contribution)

I have attached my name to Amendment 14C, and rather than repeat the points made by my noble frie...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c695 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly remark on the labyrinthine complexity of the law in relation to educatio...

Baroness Afshar | 759 c695 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak as a teacher of courses on Islam and the Middle East, in both the UK

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 759 c696 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Bates has done an amazing job in inching this legislation slowly t...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 759 cc696-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my voice to these questions about the guidance that may be issued. I very much we...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 cc697-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be extremely brief but I support the very powerful speech made by my noble frien...

Baroness Warsi | 759 cc698-700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the comments made by my noble friends Lord Deben and Lord Lamont. It may give...

Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 759 c700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a former Permanent Under-Secretary of State at the Home Office...

Lord Scott of Foscote | 759 cc700-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there have been some memorable speeches this evening. I want to add just a word or two....

Lord Wilson of Dinton | 759 cc701-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I have not intervened before on any stages of the Bill. I come from Ca...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 759 cc702-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the second long debate that we have held on a similar amendment, and there have...

Lord Bates | 759 cc704-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an excellent debate. I often say that it has been a good debate when I st...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 759 c705 (Link to this contribution)

The reason why there was no hue and cry from the colleges and universities is that they just igno...

Baroness Brinton | 759 c706 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend not agree that the difference between the UUK guidance and the Bill is that ...

Lord Bates | 759 c706 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for both those interventions. However, I think they make my point: the fact that th...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 759 c706 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister. Could it not be that the universities simply thought that t...

Lord Bates | 759 c706 (Link to this contribution)

It could be. I do not know what was in their minds.

The pressure and stipulation that are c...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 c706 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. Surely it is not the case that all the Government are asking...

Lord Bates | 759 cc706-7 (Link to this contribution)

On that element, the noble Baroness is correct; there is a power there. If you make it a statutor...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 759 c707 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister for giving way, but I think that he really is fighting the las...

Lord Bates | 759 cc707-9 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly take the noble Lord’s point but perhaps I may address some of the key points in the a...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 759 c709 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister, in talking about Amendment 14, seemed to imply that it related only to Scotland. He...

Lord Bates | 759 c710 (Link to this contribution)

I take that point and will come to it as I go through my notes. I will go through them in no part...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 759 c710 (Link to this contribution)

There is no specific reference, of course, in the new clause, Clause 29, to Section 202 of the 19...

Lord Bates | 759 cc710-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will reflect again on the point about Section 202 of the 1988 Act and will see whether it is th...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 759 c711 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister sits down, he has not really addressed the issue of whether between...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 759 c712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a fairly simple question. I have various connections with universities, but I sh...

Lord Bates | 759 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble and learned friend for that intervention. He hit upon a real issue, and...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 759 cc712-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in view of the hour which we have reached, I am sure that all noble Lords would like me...

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