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Consumer Rights Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 27 October 2014, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 51 to 60 agreed to, with clause 59 agreed to as amended. New clauses (Lords amendments 50K, 50L, 51 to 53) debated and withdrawn.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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Session
2014-15
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Consumer Rights Bill 2013-14 to 2014-15. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 17 June 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. third report.
Wednesday, 9 July 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee eighth report.
Monday, 13 October 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2014-1405
Monday, 3 November 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Geddes | 756 c307GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is now 3.30 pm. I must start, as I am obliged to do, by advising that, if there is a...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c307GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

50A: Clause 51, page 31, line 19, at end ins...


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Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc307-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 50A is about transparency of charges. This is something we know that the Gove...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc308-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like other noble Lords, I, too, have looked carefully at the discussions on this issue ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c309GC (Link to this contribution)

I particularly thank the Government for giving serious consideration to this. It is interesting t...

Baroness Jolly | 756 c309GC (Link to this contribution)

Certainly. The landlord or freeholder has to get the information from the insurer in the first pl...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c309GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for that clarification. The point was that leaseholders were hoping to...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c309GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

50B: Clause 51, page 31, line 19, at end ins...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc310-2GC (Link to this contribution)

In moving the amendment, I shall speak also to Amendment 50D in this group. Amendment 50B does wh...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc312-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a lot of sympathy with the intention behind Amendment 50B. It seeks to help cons...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister clearly needs some advice about topping up her phone battery if she is going to be r...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

We have consumers at our heart in relation to this Bill and many other pieces of legislation, but...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

I certainly agree with that, but I am not always convinced that having better-informed consumers ...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 c315GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness King of Bow

50C: Clause 51, page 31, line 19, at end insert—

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Baroness King of Bow | 756 cc315-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 50C and 56A both seek to ensure that the final provider of services approves...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 cc316-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I repeat my declaration of interest: I chair National Trading Standards. Its particular...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc318-320GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I make it clear that sites that try to palm themselves off as legitimate government ser...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister elaborate on that point? If the Government are working with search engine prov...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for raising that point. I know what is happening in certain area...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 cc320-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from what the Minister said and in conjunction with the points raised by my noble frien...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc321-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I could make one point about the idea of new legislation, which I think is what the noble...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 c322GC (Link to this contribution)

The problem I have with the Minister’s response is twofold. First, the legitimate business issues...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c322GC (Link to this contribution)

Before we finish on this important matter, which I think we both care about a lot, perhaps I may ...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 c322GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that intervention. One of the issues comes back to what I have heard the...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c323GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

50F: Clause 54, page 32, line 14, at end ins...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc323-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I am feeling very proud as I managed to renew my passport online and got it from the Passport Off...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 cc324-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak in support of this amendment. I declare a personal interest in this matter...

Baroness Jolly | 756 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have taken great care in developing these remedies, for obvious reasons, and we have...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend goes too far, what are the other remedies and how soon are they available?...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc325-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I will come back to the noble Baroness with chapter and verse on the remedies, but they will not ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Oppenheim-Barnes, asked a wonderful question. It was short and acute and...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

Is this on the public record, because I am still in discussion with the trader concerned?

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc326-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I take my noble friend’s point about making this retrospective.

There is a serious issue he...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc327-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

50K: After Clause 57, insert the following n...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc328-330GC (Link to this contribution)

I move Amendment 50K in this group on behalf of my noble friend Lord Stevenson and I will speak t...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 756 cc329-331GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment raises an interesting question, which I thought I should take the opportu...

Lord Whitty | 756 cc331-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what my noble friend has said in moving the amendment. I want to address for ...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc332-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a fascinating debate. Some really interesting questions have been posed, ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc334-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lord Knight and Lord Whitty for the questions they raised and ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c335GC (Link to this contribution)

I think that I have made the point that the difficulty, even with consumer panels, is that they a...

Baroness Jolly | 756 c335GC (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Baroness may have misheard me. What I actually said was not that it would ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c335GC (Link to this contribution)

While I understand that, the only action that we want is on signposting. If anything were to be c...

Lord Whitty | 756 c336GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

50L: After Clause 57, insert the following new Clause—

“Ac...

Lord Whitty | 756 cc336-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak also to the rather more substantial Amendment 81A for which Amendment 50L is the pa...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 756 cc338-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support this amendment. There are many good reasons to want to extend access...

Baroness Wilcox | 756 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

I found it quite frightening listening to what the noble Lord was saying there. That sounded like...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

On the same point, I am appalled at what is being proposed for doctors. As things are, they never...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 756 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baronesses articulate concerns that I know are active, and they do a great job in doing...

Baroness Wilcox | 756 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

A patient who has gone to a doctor is more than likely not feeling well and is frightened and loo...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 756 cc339-340GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was using an example that I thought was perfectly realistic. We have seen with the fu...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc340-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 50L, proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, and the noble Lords, Lord W...

Lord Whitty | 756 cc342-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for outlining the developments that have taken place in m...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes

51: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clau...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 cc343-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by apologising if I repeat things that I said at Second Reading but I regard al...

Lord Blencathra | 756 cc344-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend in this amendment, in particular subsection (4). I am glad th...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should add that this is not simply about protecting the consumer—poor Dave, or whoeve...

Baroness Wilcox | 756 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall make only a brief comment because I want to hear what the Minister is going to say. It wo...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 51 tabled in the names of the noble Baroness, Lady Oppenheim-Barnes...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc346-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said when we discussed point of sale information for goods and services in previou...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness gave the horrifying image of someone’s rights having to be read to them before...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc347-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I can rely on the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, to put me on the spot. The de minimis elem...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c348GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very disappointed because the response we have had sounds like a wonderfully constructed Civ...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 cc348-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes

52: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clau...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 cc349-350GC (Link to this contribution)

This amendment is also very important. It is common knowledge that not a great deal is known abou...

Baroness Maddock | 756 c350GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend on this, partly because during the passage of the Energy Bill...

Lord Berkeley | 756 cc350-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, I support this amendment. Subsection (2) says:

“It shall be the dut...

Baroness Wilcox | 756 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we know the regulators were set up at very different times and in very different way...

Lord Blencathra | 756 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the thrust of this amendment. As my noble friend Lady Wilcox said, the regula...

Lord Whitty | 756 cc351-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the thrust of this amendment. As I said on an earlier amendment, the co...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c352GC (Link to this contribution)

I was about to thank the noble Baroness, Lady Oppenheim-Barnes, for this amendment but, having se...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc352-3GC (Link to this contribution)

This has been a very interesting debate, interwoven with sorry tales about regulators. Of course,...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that reply. She will not be surprised to hear that I am, shall we say...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes

53: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clau...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 cc354-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I know that this is also very popular with people throughout the country. Again, it deals with ob...

Lord Clarke of Hampstead | 756 cc355-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Noble Lords will know that I am not a regular attender on the Bill but the amendment, once I had ...

Baroness Maddock | 756 cc356-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, not for the first time, I am supporting my noble friend Lady Oppenheim-Barnes on the th...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 c357GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support my noble friend’s amendment. We had a preliminary canter over...

Lord Berkeley | 756 cc357-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. As the noble Lord just said, it does not apply just to ...

Baroness Wilcox | 756 c358GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the one thing we must not do is sound naïve. For all we would agree with this, and all ...

Lord Berkeley | 756 c358GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Baroness straying into the territory of Animal Farm: four legs good, two legs better...

Baroness Wilcox | 756 c358GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord mean equal opportunity? No, we are not born equal, that is for sure. Some peo...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 cc358-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we are straying into unnecessary territory here—very philosophical points which...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 756 cc359-360GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am slightly reluctant to speak against the experience of the noble Baroness, Lady Opp...

Lord Blencathra | 756 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support almost all of this amendment except that I agree with the noble Lord...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 756 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I interrupt the noble Lord? Fifty years ago my father used to go to the retailers and pay eve...

Lord Blencathra | 756 cc360-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Of course not. The point I am making is that we should have the freedom to choose. I am one of th...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 c361GC (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend looks at his BT bill more closely, he will see on the right-hand side of the p...

Lord Blencathra | 756 c361GC (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with my noble friend. To be fair to my noble friend Lord Stoneham of Droxford, t...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc362-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I think we will just call the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, a brave man. I would not take that lot o...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c363GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to make a point in the limited time remaining, which is that the companies...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc363-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank my noble friend Lady Oppenheim-Barnes for her amendment, for her previou...

Baroness Maddock | 756 c366GC (Link to this contribution)

When my mother died, the utilities were all very good. They have special sections to deal with th...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc366-7GC (Link to this contribution)

It is always good to have that sort of good experience on the public record. I thank the noble Ba...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 756 c367GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that very careful and detailed response, which was extremely interest...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c368GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

54: Clause 59, page 35, line 38, at end insert—

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