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Moved by
Lord Pannick
81D: Clause 27, page 34, line 15, at end insert—
“(d) the...
My Lords, Amendments 81D and 92 are in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Adonis. They are ...
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My Lords, on Second Reading I expressed my concerns about the whole concept behind this clause. V...
My Lords, I declare an interest in that for many years I was chairman of the Industrial Co-partne...
My Lords, at Second Reading I opposed these provisions. In my view this is yet another attempt by...
My Lords, I support all those who have spoken, especially the noble Baroness, Lady Turner. She is...
My Lords, I have worked for a long time with minority groups who employ their women in a system t...
My Lords, I declare an interest. Before I joined this House I was a serial entrepreneur. I have s...
My Lords, when these proposals were announced, I was somewhat lukewarm towards them, for some of ...
My Lords, the issues in this debate on Clause 27, and the other amendments, have not changed. I t...
My Lords, it would be extremely helpful if the clause contained a clearer definition of “profit s...
My Lords, first, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Flight, on being the first speaker in more t...
Will the noble Lord draw a distinction between the legal advice to be given in the potential sale...
My Lords, we are talking about individual employees who are seeking to take jobs, which is a diff...
The noble Lord is correct; that is what I am saying—you need two sets of lawyers in any case.
...The noble Lord therefore proposes a system that is even more complex and onerous than is envisage...
Noble Lords will not be surprised to know that I was expecting a somewhat lively debate on this g...
Just before my noble friend passes over this matter, I would like to raise one issue that is not ...
I thank my noble friend for that question. The shares are treated as taxable income, although the...
Does my noble friend accept that this is exactly the group of companies that Ministers in another...
Indeed, it may well be the case, but it is not my position to stipulate exactly which particular ...
Did I understand the Minister to say in response to the noble Lord, Lord Flight, that these share...
Yes, indeed, I can confirm that the shares that are received are taxable, so tax would be payable...
Tax payable at the point of receipt?
Yes, it would be in the month following receipt of the shares.
Is the noble Viscount aware that he has made quite a significant change in government policy in t...
I shall come back to the noble Lord very quickly if what I have said is incorrect, but I am prett...
My Lords, I apologise for intervening again but this point is absolutely critical to the Governme...
As promised, I will revert to the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, as quickly as possible to confirm what...
Will the noble Viscount please also assure the Committee that there will be an absolute bar on co...
I would like to think that I could say yes to that. However, it is up to the company to decide, a...
My Lords, with great respect to the noble Viscount, he is trying to say that the shares are and a...
I think that I have made the position very clear. The Chancellor is looking at this but I have sa...
I have to say that the noble Viscount has not made the position clear to me. It may well be that ...
First, it depends on whether the employee shareholders are 40% taxpayers, but I can confirm that ...
Can the noble Viscount please explain what would happen in the event of a rescue rights issue?
I will certainly have to come back to my noble friend with a full answer to that question.
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I am very grateful to the Minister and, indeed, to all noble Lords who contributed to this valuab...
Moved by
Lord Adonis
82: Clause 27, page 34, line 15, at end insert—
“( ) Any i...
My Lords, the purpose of Amendment 82 is the same as that of the amendment in the name of the nob...
I will be speaking at the usual moment. I would like to hear the speeches of other noble Lords fi...
My Lords, I note that the noble Viscount is not even defending the fact that the guidance was not...
The noble Lord makes a very good point. I stick by the words in my letter that further guidance w...
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Viscount, but can he tell us whether that will be before Rep...
I will obviously need to return to the noble Lord with a clear answer on that. Right now I cannot...
My Lords, the House needs to be aware of the situation that we are in at the moment. The defence ...
To be fair, I did not precisely say that. I said that I would get back to the noble Lord as soon ...
My Lords, with each intervention the noble Viscount is more forthcoming. Now it is possibly later...
That is not a guarantee. I am saying that I am hopeful that the information will be available thi...
My Lords, I spoke too soon. The noble Viscount has now moved back again and now we are not even a...
My Lords, these two amendments are trying to achieve the same objective. I commend the noble Lord...
My Lords, I share the concerns expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, and the noble Baroness, ...
My Lords, Amendments 82 and 90 seek to add protections for jobseekers, should they refuse to appl...
Does the Minister accept that even if the Government say that it is likely that very few companie...
I would like to pick up only one of the points made by my noble friend. It is important, and I am...
Does the Minister agree that the simplest way for the guidance to address the matter would be for...
I have not seen the guidance but I do not believe that it will say that.
There are two furt...
Several times the Minister has said that the guidance would be updated with regard to any particu...
As I explained earlier, I am not in a position to give the Committee that information just at the...
My Lords, the Minister has come to the Committee to tell us that he cannot begin to tell us the b...
I can only reply to the noble Lord that I am not in a position to explain the guidance because I ...
I am grateful to the Minister for his patience in giving way. Will he deal with this point? If th...
On that particular point, it is important again to emphasise that each case involving an employee...
I wish to raise one question. How can a case-by-case examination of a claimant’s refusal determin...
I can only re-emphasise that when a case is taken on a case-by-case basis, this means that, if an...
My Lords, the noble Viscount ended by saying that he hoped that I would withdraw the amendment in...
I just want to re-emphasise what I was trying to say about the document being 3,000 words long. I...
My Lords, I apologise for intervening on an intervention, but I just wanted clarification on this...
I stand corrected—it is indeed 3,000 pages long.
My Lords, I repeat: it is the Government’s responsibility to prepare the changes to the law and t...
Moved by
Lord Adonis
83: Clause 27, page 34, leave out lines 17 and 18
My Lords, I shall speak very briefly at the beginning of this debate because I want to comment on...
My Lords, when I spoke to the first group of amendments I declared my interests as an entrepreneu...
First, I apologise for the fact that I have been abroad and therefore not able to follow that par...
The noble Baroness, Lady Turner, speaks from her seat, but she has put forward some opinions that...
The noble Lord, Lord Deben, posed a series of questions about the benefits of Clause 27. Perhaps ...
Clause 27 requires employees to give up a range of rights. Many of these rights are ones that the...
My Lords, Clause 27 is about providing further choice to the range of employment statuses that em...
I thank the noble Viscount for giving way. That was not my question. My question was: which of th...
The overall package of the employee shareholder, with the extra risk as well as the extra reward,...
I was slightly confused by some of the Minister’s earlier response on the employee status for emp...
I can confirm that it is an entirely new status, so the individual who agrees with their employer...
Could my noble friend help the House, before we come to Report, by giving some estimate of how ma...
I thank my noble friend for that question. It is extraordinarily difficult to ascertain a precise...
I am sorry to keep jumping up and down, but I still have not heard from the Minister how the with...
I believe that I have answered my noble friend’s questions, and it is possible that I would not s...
The Minister has just said that it is not clear whether an employee shareholder is an employee. I...
It may help the noble Baroness if I state again that the employee shareholder agreement between t...
The noble Viscount said a few moments ago that it is the Government’s estimate that up to 6,000 c...
I would be delighted to furnish the noble Lord with whatever information I can find, but I remind...
I apologise for intervening again. Can the noble Viscount explain what niche group of companies t...
I re-emphasise that the Government stick by their idea and plan that the provision will suit smal...
My Lords, we are full of admiration for the way the noble Viscount seeks to defend these proposal...
I apologise for interrupting and thank the noble Lord for giving way. I made it absolutely clear ...
My Lords, all I need to do to let these proposals collapse is allow the noble Viscount to carry o...
That was indeed why I asked the noble Viscount about employee status and whether this was a new f...
My Lords, I note what the noble Baroness has said. I strongly support the extension of the right ...
Moved by
Lord Adonis
93: Clause 27, page 36, line 5, at end insert—
“(7) This s...
My Lords, we are now on the issue of the cost of these proposals to the Exchequer. I would like t...
My Lords, I apologise for referring again to the coalition agreement, but I am concerned that the...
I hope that my noble friend will be very careful in his response to this because underneath there...
I should like to clarify the point that I was trying to make about finding a tax loophole that pr...
I am sorry if I misunderstood my noble friend, and of course I accept what she has just said. I f...
I apologise for intervening again and I thank the noble Lord for his contribution. There is absol...
I do not disagree with that. However, I think that this proposal is going to be so unattractive t...
My Lords, first, I am most grateful to my noble friend Lord Deben for extolling the virtues of em...
Could I ask a specific question? The OBR said that it expected the cost of this policy to rise to...
It gives me the opportunity to answer the noble Lord’s question by saying that the OBR has stated...
Is not the fact that if this works, arguing about how much it costs the Treasury is not sensible?...
I am grateful to my noble friend for clarifying that and, of course, he is absolutely right. I fe...
My Lords, I do not intend to press the issue today. Let me be brief in response to the noble Visc...
My Lords, I have put down a Motion that Clause 27 should not stand part of the Bill to stimulate ...
My Lords, I agree with all that has been said by the noble Lord, Lord Adonis. Clause 27 is wrong ...
My Lords, although I welcome the suggestion that the Chancellor might allow there to be no income...
My Lords, I am grateful for the comments of the noble Lords, Lord Adonis and Lord Pannick. I will...
My Lords, I have not spoken to the other amendments to the Bill although I did refer to this issu...
My Lords, we have heard many opinions about this clause. The Government are taking this action to...
Moved by
Lord Flight
95: After Clause 28, insert the following new Clause—
“Gui...
My Lords, the amendment was intended to be part of the debate on Clause 27. Given that the employ...
My Lords, in Amendment 95 my noble friend Lord Flight proposes a new clause relating to the publi...
I apologise for intervening. I am grateful for many of the points the Minister raised about guida...
My noble friend makes a very fair point. Of course I will copy in all noble Lords who should or w...
I thank the Minister for his response. I am pleased to find that the matter is in hand. I therefo...