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Australia and New Zealand Trade Deals

Debates on treaty on Monday, 14 November 2022, in the House of Commons, led by Greg Hands. The answering members were Gareth Thomas, Nick Thomas-Symonds and Andrew Bowie.
Motion that this House has considered the Australia and New Zealand Trade deals. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
722 cc409-452 
Session
2022-23
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Greg Hands | 722 c410 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the Australia and New Zealand Trade deals.

Hilary Benn | 722 c411 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will be aware that the Australia deal in particular has created quite a lot of conce...


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Greg Hands | 722 c411 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to respond, because I have had extensive interaction with all the five nations’ NF...

Jonathan Edwards | 722 c411 (Link to this contribution)

Further to the intervention from the right hon. Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn), I have he...

Greg Hands | 722 c411 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with that. I am just checking my records and I have had extensive interactions with re...

Greg Hands | 722 c411 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in just a moment, but perhaps the hon. Gentleman will explain what his position m...

Ben Lake | 722 c412 (Link to this contribution)

It is not often that I get the opportunity to do so, and I am happy to say that when there is a g...

Greg Hands | 722 c412 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the hon. Gentleman’s support for trade deals and I look forward to him voting for one o...

Lord Spellar | 722 c412 (Link to this contribution)

Surely one of the points we ought to be considering is the fact that about a third of the beef co...

Greg Hands | 722 c412 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a strong point. We are all in favour of competition, and of consum...

Paul Beresford | 722 c412 (Link to this contribution)

Before we entered the common market, the Australia-New Zealand agricultural juggernaut centred on...

Greg Hands | 722 cc412-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is an expert on the connections between the United Kingdom and the continent of Au...

Margaret Ferrier | 722 c413 (Link to this contribution)

What does the Minister make of the International Trade Committee’s finding that more export oppor...

Greg Hands | 722 cc413-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the International Trade Committee for its various reports on both deals, and I look forwa...

Stephen Kinnock | 722 c415 (Link to this contribution)

We are discussing making sure that these deals are about not just economic benefits, but the soci...

Greg Hands | 722 c415 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for his intervention. I know that he takes a strong, keen and constant in...

Tony Lloyd | 722 c415 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talked earlier about allowing the British public the chance to purchase in a competi...

Greg Hands | 722 c415 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member raises a very good point. The UK-Australia deal is the first Australia trade deal...

Greg Hands | 722 cc415-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, as I am about to finish.

The country’s departure from the European Uni...

Greg Hands | 722 c416 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the former leader of the Liberal Democrats can explain why he was so opposed to the deal....

Tim Farron | 722 c416 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the Minister for giving way to me, however he chooses to do so. We are...

Greg Hands | 722 c416 (Link to this contribution)

I look forward to the hon. Member actually supporting one of these trade deals. I have already po...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 cc416-8 (Link to this contribution)

Today is a significant day, and I wish the Minister a happy birthday. What better present could t...

Jonathan Edwards | 722 c418 (Link to this contribution)

Some farmers are very concerned about the procurement aspects of the deals, which will allow prod...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 cc418-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman raises a useful point. Our farmers are seeking a level playing field. We belie...

Lord Spellar | 722 c419 (Link to this contribution)

I accept my right hon. Friend’s point when it comes to dealing with some countries, but in the ca...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 c419 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with my right hon. Friend about the Australian Government. Having met a number...

Lord Spellar | 722 c419 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not also the case that this trade deal does not, for example, have an investor-state disput...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 cc419-420 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with my right hon. Friend that we do not need a single template, but we could ...

Stephen Kinnock | 722 c420 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is being generous in giving way. On this point about scrutiny, he is a Welsh...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 c420 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely share my hon. Friend’s concern about the lack of specific impact assessments. I also s...

Greg Hands | 722 c420 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but that is just not a complete representation of what actually goes on. The minister...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 c420 (Link to this contribution)

First, I am pleased to hear that from the Minister, because certainly the feedback I have had fro...

Greg Hands | 722 c420 (Link to this contribution)

I am looking forward to a meeting with Vaughan Gething later this week, if I am not mistaken—it m...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 c421 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree that it is the UK Government who are carrying out the negotiations, but they sho...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 722 c421 (Link to this contribution)

This is a very interesting and useful conversation. Is it not right that other countries do this ...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 c421 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right that there is a better way to do that, as he eloquently sets o...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 c421 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is making an important point about scrutiny, and it is not one I can esc...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 cc422-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes the perfectly reasonable point that we need to look at the whole scrutin...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 c423 (Link to this contribution)

I think we may have been here before, so I apologise for reiterating what I have said previously....

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 c423 (Link to this contribution)

What the hon. Gentleman omits is that I am judging the Government not against a standard I am put...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 722 cc423-4 (Link to this contribution)

As I am finishing in a moment, I will not take another intervention.

The Government’s centr...

George Eustice | 722 cc424-5 (Link to this contribution)

The current Secretary of State for International Trade had no role in the discussions on these de...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 c425 (Link to this contribution)

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that CPTPP dispute mechanisms are through the World Tr...

George Eustice | 722 cc425-6 (Link to this contribution)

The CPTPP has provisions for its own dispute resolution and they are modelled on what happens in ...

Drew Hendry | 722 cc426-7 (Link to this contribution)

May I extend my birthday wishes to the Minister, too? I will not ask him how many candles are on ...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 c427 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is making a point about whether we can vote on the deals. The reality is that hav...

Drew Hendry | 722 c427 (Link to this contribution)

I admire the hon. Member’s dexterity. Having been in the House when he has quite rightly criticis...

Drew Hendry | 722 cc427-8 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to make some progress.

Given that his party was in power, the Prime Minister...

Drew Hendry | 722 c428 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman wants to pick up on that point, I will give way.

Anthony Mangnall | 722 c428 (Link to this contribution)

I will, on food security. That is exactly why the Government passed, in the Agriculture Act 2020,...

Drew Hendry | 722 c428 (Link to this contribution)

It will come as no surprise that I do not agree with the Government Member. These are damaging de...

Lord Spellar | 722 c428 (Link to this contribution)

But do we not also import chicken from countries with very questionable standards, such as Brazil...

Drew Hendry | 722 cc429-430 (Link to this contribution)

If there are variations in standards, they are certainly nothing like this. The line that the rig...

Paul Beresford | 722 cc430-1 (Link to this contribution)

That was a really disappointing speech from the hon. Member for Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and St...

Lord Spellar | 722 cc431-2 (Link to this contribution)

Trade is one of the issues that, from time to time, erupt in British politics. Indeed, in some ar...

Deidre Brock | 722 c432 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman think that this may also reflect the fact that for many years the U...

Lord Spellar | 722 cc432-4 (Link to this contribution)

I take the hon. Lady’s point about the shortfall in technical skills. The hon. Member for Mole Va...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 cc434-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Warley (John Spellar). I did battle against ...

Deidre Brock | 722 c435 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman seriously think that that is in any way compensation for the loss of free...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 cc435-6 (Link to this contribution)

We have a trade and co-operation agreement, a free trade agreement, with the EU, which is importa...

George Eustice | 722 c436 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, if we were to try to strengthen the Trade and Agriculture Commiss...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 cc436-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will be in such dangerous territory if I give a straight answer to that—I am looking to see whe...

Drew Hendry | 722 c437 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman denying, for example, the animal welfare issues—how animals are treated dif...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 c437 (Link to this contribution)

I am saying that when the hon. Gentleman compares the standards of Australia with those of Brazil...

Drew Hendry | 722 c437 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman might want to withdraw that comment because I have not compared Australia with...

Anthony Mangnall | 722 c437 (Link to this contribution)

As I heard it, the hon. Gentleman used other countries as a reference and said that Australia was...

Tony Lloyd | 722 cc437-440 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to see the newly branded hon. Member for Totnes (Anthony Mangnall) in his place....

Sarah Green | 722 cc440-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a shame that this is not the substantive debate, culminating in a vote on a substantive mot...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 722 c441 (Link to this contribution)

The first thing to say about international trade deals nowadays is that they are not just trade d...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 722 cc441-2 (Link to this contribution)

My colleague on the International Trade Committee says I should speak up for this country, as if ...

Drew Hendry | 722 c442 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful point about climate change. Does he not find it incredibl...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 722 c442 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly. I must wrap up— [Interruption.] Oh, I will continue, then. I thought you were giving me ...

Tony Lloyd | 722 c442 (Link to this contribution)

The environment chapter ought to have been capable of actually changing the climate change debate...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 722 cc442-4 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly. Australia is a deep friend of ours. I spent hours outside the Australian embassy for the...

Richard Foord | 722 cc444-5 (Link to this contribution)

Farmers across the UK, but particularly in my part of Devon, are deeply concerned by how the Gove...

Gareth Thomas | 722 c445 (Link to this contribution)

After a decade of economic mismanagement, with the chaos at the top of the Conservative party and...

George Eustice | 722 c445 (Link to this contribution)

In my contribution, I also pointed out that article 32.8 was a very strong clause in the agreemen...

Gareth Thomas | 722 cc446-8 (Link to this contribution)

We will always want to get a better deal and to seek better trading links between our country and...

Andrew Bowie | 722 cc448-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to have had the opportunity to listen to this debate, to contribute to it and, i...

Drew Hendry | 722 c449 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister able to name one single amendment that the Government have accepted from the SNP ...

Andrew Bowie | 722 c449 (Link to this contribution)

I would like, instead, to run through how the SNP are failing Scotland’s farmers, given how stron...

Andrew Bowie | 722 c449 (Link to this contribution)

I will not.

The SNP are not champions for Scotland’s farmers. They are political opportunis...

Deidre Brock | 722 c449 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister explain, in this middle of his diatribe, exactly what he will say to his const...

Andrew Bowie | 722 cc449-450 (Link to this contribution)

In my 1,900 square mile rural constituency I have regular interactions with farmers—probably far ...

George Eustice | 722 c450 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is absolutely right that, at the moment, New Zealand uses only about half the tariff...

Andrew Bowie | 722 c450 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has an incredible amount of experience in this field. I would be happy to ta...

Andrew Bowie | 722 cc450-1 (Link to this contribution)

No, we have not. That is why our trade deals include specific measures to uphold them.

Befo...

Drew Hendry | 722 c451 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to make it clear that there have been substantial travel disruption and difficult...

Andrew Bowie | 722 cc451-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman; I was about to reference the travel requirements. I was not blaming t...

Taiwo Owatemi | 722 c452 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. In September, I raised the case of my constituent Simo...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 722 c452 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for having given notice of her point of order. As Mr Speaker has s...

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