Parliamentary search - Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

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732 c581-639

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2010-12

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Home Office

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Report stage

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House of Lords chamber

Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. As amended on report.
Tuesday, 15 November 2011
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House of Lords

Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 91-EN also published. (Lords Minutes).
Tuesday, 6 September 2011
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House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c623 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord refers to a ““mere”” balance of probabilities. He will of course be aware...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 732 c622-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have to bear in mind that as the Bill now stands, the initiator of this procedure is th...

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Lord Judd | 732 c622 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. Inevitably my argument relates back to what I said on a pre...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 732 c622 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. It was always a great source of regret and sorrow to me tha...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment spoken to by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. It covers the same grou...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 732 c622 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 4 of the Bill indicates that the finding which will be made in relation to a TPIM i...

Lord Pannick | 732 c621 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the consent of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, I shall speak to Am...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 732 c621 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must tell the House that if Amendment 15 is agreed to I cannot call Amendment 16 by reas...

Lord Henley | 732 c620 (Link to this contribution) 13: Schedule 1, page 28, line 11, leave out from ““individual”” to end of line 13 and insert ““— (a)...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c621 (Link to this contribution) 15: Clause 3, page 1, line 16, leave out ““the Secretary of State reasonably believes that””

Lord Henley | 732 c625 (Link to this contribution) Again, I spoke to this amendment with Amendment 8. I beg to move. Amendment 31 agreed. Amendments ...

Lord Henley | 732 c625 (Link to this contribution) 31: Clause 8, page 4, line 17, leave out subsection (3)

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c626 (Link to this contribution) 39: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause— ““Time limit on measures under section 2 (1) Me...

Lord Henley | 732 c624-5 (Link to this contribution) I am just wondering whether the Opposition want to comment on this matter. It is very important to ...

Lord Pannick | 732 c625 (Link to this contribution) My Lord, I do feel able to withdraw this amendment. I do so in particular because the noble and lear...

Lord Henley | 732 c625 (Link to this contribution) 30: Clause 8, page 4, line 14, after ““which”” insert ““, unless the court otherwise directs (whethe...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 732 c623 (Link to this contribution) I agree with that and am very much aware of it, but it is still a mere balance of probabilities. Alt...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 732 c623 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having stuck my neck out first one way and then the other in the earlier part of our proce...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c623-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was a very obvious keeping-down of the head, done in a rather energetic fashion. I w...

Lord Henley | 732 c606-8 (Link to this contribution) Given that the noble Lord is quite an experienced Member of this House, he will know that the groupi...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c606 (Link to this contribution) I know this is fearful—every time the noble Lord mentions my name I stand up, and I will endeavour n...

Lord Henley | 732 c606 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have a curious group, as some noble Lords have put it, with the amendments relating to ...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the amendment on relocation the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, said that it does not detract fr...

Lord Henley | 732 c609 (Link to this contribution) 8: Schedule 1, page 22, line 15, after ““at”” insert ““, or within,””

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. I am disap...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c603 (Link to this contribution) Is not the possible answer to that question that, at that stage, the Home Secretary was not aware th...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that it is helpful to the noble Lord, Lord Henley, to have the noble and learned Lord, Lor...

Lord Bew | 732 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. Coming as I do from Nort...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to have the opportunity to follow the noble Lord, Lord Bew, who has summed u...

Lord Henley | 732 c617-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend and the noble Baroness, Lady Stern, for speaking to this ...

Baroness Stern | 732 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments so ably spoken to by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, and I exp...

Lord Henley | 732 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will write to my noble friend on that issue.

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, can he say whether the Government propose to publish the te...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly do not intend to press any of these amendments and I am grateful to the Minist...

Lord Henley | 732 c609-12 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 8, in my name. In doing so, I shall speak to Amendments 13, 30, 31...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c612 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment 14 which is an amendment to the Minister’s Amendment 13. I am grateful fo...

Lord Henley | 732 c612-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I can deal with my noble friend’s points. I am grateful to her for her comment...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c613 (Link to this contribution) 9: Schedule 1, page 24, line 12, leave out ““or area””

Lord Henley | 732 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the important point is that the Bill is the result of the counterterrorism review that my ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 732 c635-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, is it fundamental to the Bill being put before Parliament that the Secretary of Sta...

Lord Pannick | 732 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am disappointed by the Minister’s response, although I admire his powers of advocacy in ...

Lord Henley | 732 c636 (Link to this contribution) What I was saying, if the noble Lord will allow me to continue my argument before he intervenes, is ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Lord Henley | 732 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord said it for me. All I am saying is that the Bill can be withdrawn by my rig...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c636 (Link to this contribution) All I wanted to say to the Minister was that while he referred to a Henry VIII clause, he might also...

Lord Rosser | 732 c626 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, very briefly, this amendment seems to provide for a TPIM to remain in force for no more th...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c626 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, very briefly, Clause 5 enables the Secretary of State to renew measures for a further year...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c628 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sad, but nevertheless I withdraw the amendment. Amendment 39 withdrawn. Clause 11 :...

Lord Henley | 732 c627-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I get the impression that the House wishes to move on. I never understand these things—I d...

Lord Henley | 732 c628-9 (Link to this contribution) 47: Clause 26, page 17, line 32, leave out paragraph (a) 48: Clause 26, page 17, line 38, at end in...

Lord Henley | 732 c628 (Link to this contribution) 45: Clause 23, page 15, line 8, leave out paragraph (b) and insert— ““(b) on summary conviction in E...

Lord Pannick | 732 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, your Lordships have come to the final amendment on Report. Amendment 53 in my name and in ...

Lord Pannick | 732 c629 (Link to this contribution) 53: Clause 31, page 21, line 35, at end insert— ““( ) This Act expires at the end of the period of 1...

Baroness Hayman | 732 c630 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, has spoken with his usual clarity and force and that means I...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c630 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble—and, dare I say, socialist—friend for raising that. The point I raise...

Baroness Hayman | 732 c630-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have always felt that consistency was a dangerous principle for politicians to invoke. I...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 732 c632 (Link to this contribution) I have three prefatory remarks. First, I apologise to one of my noble friends, to whom I had given t...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 732 c632 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. I am not going to take up the time of the House, because I ...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 732 c632 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment for reasons already advanced. For my part, I have no desire at all...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 732 c631 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like warmly to support this amendment. It is absolutely clear that this procedure ...

Lord Rosser | 732 c634 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be brief. Our own Joint Committee on Human Rights said that the TPIMs remain, "““an...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, expressed a certain weariness when he s...

Lord Faulks | 732 c633 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, consistency has become something and since I opposed this amendment on the last occasion I...

Lord Judd | 732 c633 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, personally, I have the unease that in all that we have done with these special arrangement...

Lord Henley | 732 c634-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may say how grateful I am to the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, for setting out his a...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c581 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 2, page 1, line 6, at beginning insert ““The court may on the application of””

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c581-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are all agreed that the measures which can be imposed by the Home Secretary under Claus...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c584 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I did not give the noble and learned Lord leave of this question. I am entirely in s...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c585 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has been very clear. I fully understand—and that is exactly what is provided in a sub...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c585 (Link to this contribution) I could not see the amendment that did that.

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c585 (Link to this contribution) I think that it is Amendment 3.

Lord Goodhart | 732 c585-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have supported the statements of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, at S...

Baroness Hayman | 732 c586-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to these amendments and, given the speeches of the noble and learned ...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 732 c587 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on this occasion I have not actually been tempted. I had hoped to come in anyway, although...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 732 c587-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments. I declare an interest as the independent reviewer of the count...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 732 c590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. I want to thank the most reverend Primate for his remarks....

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support strongly the last point made by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, which has been ind...

Lord Pannick | 732 c588-9 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, on Amendment 1, and his proposal ...

Lord Sentamu | 732 c589 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this clause gives the Home Secretary power to impose measures for terrorism prevention—so ...

Lord Faulks | 732 c591 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have enormous respect for the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, for his exp...

Lord Rosser | 732 c591-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we do not feel moved to change our stance on the procedure that is associated with control...

Lord Condon | 732 c590-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment proposed by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, on the g...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c591 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Newton of Braintree, warned the Minister that those directly behind h...

Lord Henley | 732 c592-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, for those remarks, just as I thank my noble friend Lo...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c593 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that the only precedents on which he relies, other than the very recent t...

Baroness Hayman | 732 c593 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. Until I listened to the speech of the noble and learne...

Lord Henley | 732 c593-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is right to mention what my noble friend Lord Sassoon said on that occasion. He d...

Baroness Hayman | 732 c594 (Link to this contribution) I would not wish the noble Lord, Lord Sassoon, to be tarred with the brush of having a socialist bac...

Lord Henley | 732 c594 (Link to this contribution) There is obviously a distinction but both involve one’s human rights. That is the importance. The no...

Lord Henley | 732 c593 (Link to this contribution) It is still a matter of national security. That is why we believe that it is for the Home Secretary ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c595 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has not dealt at all with the point on Section 4 of the 2005 Act. There is a clear case...

Lord Pannick | 732 c594 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Lord Henley | 732 c594-5 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to give way until I finish this point, and then I will give way to the noble Lord. W...

Lord Pannick | 732 c595 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. I am puzzled by why he thinks that judicial control at the outset w...

Lord Henley | 732 c595 (Link to this contribution) Because my right honourable friend is responsible for security and, as I said, she is answerable to ...

Lord Pannick | 732 c600-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the Government in their decision not to include the relocation power in the Bill. The spee...

Lord Faulks | 732 c601 (Link to this contribution) I agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, said. I understand the reasons behind this change, y...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c598-9 (Link to this contribution) 5: Schedule 1, page 22, line 5, at end insert— ““Residence measure A1 (1) The Secretary of State may...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c599-600 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a number of amendments in this group and I should like to start with Amendment 44A....

Lord Henley | 732 c595-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I had wanted to use up a great deal of the House’s time, I could have answered a great ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 732 c596 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret that I find the noble Lord’s reply to the debate pretty unsatisfactory. I have as...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 732 c602 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support the Government’s position on these amendments. The counterterrorism review ...

Lord Sentamu | 732 c602-3 (Link to this contribution) I, too, as someone who supported the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, in his amendment...

Lord Judd | 732 c601 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. Of course, he is right. That is not the first time he...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 732 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I say anything else I had better warn my noble friends on the Front Bench that—to t...

Lord Henley | 732 c625 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke to this amendment with Amendment 8. I beg to move. Amendment 30 agreed. Amendmen...

Baroness Hamwee | 732 c613-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 9, I wish to speak also to Amendments 10, 11, 12, 20, 40, 42, 43 and 4...

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