Fixed-term Parliaments Bill. Lords committee stage second day. Clause 1 : Polling days for parliamentary general elections, agreed to as amended. Clause 2: Early parliamentary general elections, under consideration when debate adjourned.
Fixed-term Parliaments Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Monday, 21 March 2011,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
726 c475-527, c547-88 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Fixed-term Parliaments Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 40-EN).
Wednesday, 19 January 2011
Bills
House of Lords
Wednesday, 19 January 2011
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c562-3 (Link to this contribution)
26: Clause 1, page 1, line 20, at end insert—
““( ) The draft laid before Parliament must be accompa...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c563 (Link to this contribution)
27: Clause 2, page 1, line 22, leave out subsection (1)
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Lord Bach | 726 c555-6 (Link to this contribution)
The Committee will see the powerful nature of the argument the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, makes, but wh...
Lord Tyler | 726 c555 (Link to this contribution)
Is that not a very good argument for adopting the solution that we are proposing that it should then...
Lord Bach | 726 c555 (Link to this contribution)
My understanding is—and if I am factually wrong of course I apologise—that all elections were put ba...
Lord Rennard | 726 c555 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in my recollection of 2005, the general election happened on the same day as the council e...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 726 c560-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it still refers to the fact of the holding of the election being, "““impractical or injuri...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c560 (Link to this contribution)
That is why the amendment says ““impractical or””, not ““impractical and””.
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c556-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think my noble friend Lord Rennard, with his spirit on the previous Bill, managed to get...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c561-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a thoughtful debate about what has been recognised on all sides of the Chamb...
Lord Bach | 726 c554-5 (Link to this contribution)
That was a most interesting, if short, debate on an important series of points. From the Front Bench...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c549-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I added my name to the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, to remove the words ““ea...
Baroness Fookes | 726 c549 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may point out that if the amendment were to be agreed, I could not then call Amendments 20...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 726 c552 (Link to this contribution)
I commend the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, for very effectively pointing out one of the problems of thi...
Lord Rennard | 726 c550-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak first in support of the principle behind Amendments 22 and 23, tabled by my n...
Lord Rennard | 726 c552 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have absolutely no doubt that that precise matter will be the subject of considerable sc...
Lord Rennard | 726 c553 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, not long ago the noble Lord argued quite passionately that it was too much for your Lordsh...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 726 c552-3 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, for whom I have great respect, having known him for a long time, makes a very good p...
Lord Desai | 726 c554 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have already raised my worries about the extension power that a Prime Minister has beyon...
Lord Cormack | 726 c553-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted that the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, was not drawn by the somewhat mischievou...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c527 (Link to this contribution)
We did not, in those five days in May, think about moving from one year to one year to one year. Tha...
Lord Grocott | 726 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I am not saying that it is sinister; I am just saying that it is illogical. If the Government decide...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving me an opportunity to explain it. It was clear from the co...
Lord Grocott | 726 c526 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know whether the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace, is getting tired or whethe...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c525-6 (Link to this contribution)
This legislation is having ample legislative scrutiny and I suspect that in times to come we will mo...
Lord Bach | 726 c525 (Link to this contribution)
It is best to have both; I quite agree. That Bill had enormous pre-legislative scrutiny, but should ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c547-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 18 would remove the flexibility for the Prime Minister to have the general elect...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c547 (Link to this contribution)
18: Clause 1, page 1, line 14, leave out subsection (5)
Lord Grocott | 726 c527 (Link to this contribution)
Of course I accept that and I shall not labour it further if the Minister assures me that the coalit...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 726 c521 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister and the other speakers for their contributions. The Minister said that it was a...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c520-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am in no way trying to dismiss the suggestion that my noble friend makes. I am not in a ...
Lord Grocott | 726 c521-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very conscious of the fact that we probably have only about 10 minutes before we ough...
Lord Grocott | 726 c521 (Link to this contribution)
15: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, at end insert—
““( ) Each five-year parliament shall include a minimum...
Lord Cormack | 726 c520 (Link to this contribution)
My noble and learned friend talked about the scrutiny committee of both Houses. Can he give an absol...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c520 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have gone down that path many times and have indicated that we intended this should be ...
Lord McAvoy | 726 c523 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise briefly in support of the principle in my noble friend’s amendment, because it woul...
Lord Cormack | 726 c523 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, I agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, said. I very much hope that my no...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c524-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, for his amendment, which would provide for a minimum...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c523-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support what my noble friend Lord McAvoy said; I support the amendment of my noble frien...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c588 (Link to this contribution)
I thank both the Minister and the Committee and beg leave to withdraw my amendment.
Amendment 32 wi...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c586 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I plan to be extremely brief, as I have classes to teach in Hull shortly after 9 o’clock i...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c586-8 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate the concern of the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, about the lateness of the hour. I always u...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c582 (Link to this contribution)
Just to be clear about what I am being asked, as I understand it the noble and learned Lord has aske...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c584 (Link to this contribution)
32: Clause 2, page 2, line 11, at end insert—
““( ) the Speaker of the House of Commons had in advan...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c583-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the indications given by the Minister that there will be some flexibilit...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c586 (Link to this contribution)
I completely endorse what the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, has said about the importance of this issue....
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c584-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment deals with the requirement for the Speaker to issue a certificate. This is ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c574-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames, has just noted, it is remarkable that I...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c576-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure whether the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, will speak to...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c577-8 (Link to this contribution)
First, on the amendment of the noble, Lord Marks, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Norton of Louth....
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c578-82 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is the first of a series of groups of amendments dealing with the trigger mechanism f...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c582 (Link to this contribution)
As regards the third question—let us assume that this Bill applied and that the Opposition did not s...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c573-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the effect of the amendments in this group, tabled by my noble friends Lord Rennard and Lo...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c573 (Link to this contribution)
30: Clause 2, page 2, line 10, leave out ““of”” and insert ““tabled by the Leader of the Opposition ...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c573 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord; I am glad he found that helpful, although my remarks we...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c573 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for misleading the House in that respect, and I accept the helpful correction ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c571-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to do so. I think that I corrected myself the first time I got it wrong. I am grateful to...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c572-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken in the debate which, despite the late hour, h...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c570-1 (Link to this contribution)
Hypothetically, if he was able to do that, it could have happened. In a Parliament with less than si...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 726 c571 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt my noble and learned friend but I think that three times now he has referred...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c569-70 (Link to this contribution)
I might be missing something somewhere. The coalition agreement referred to the 55 per cent that the...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 726 c570 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for not having been here earlier but I have heard everything since my noble friend Lord ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c568 (Link to this contribution)
I am not speculating. This is what a person who was there at the negotiations said. For the Minister...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c569 (Link to this contribution)
I understand what the Minister said earlier. Is he now saying that this is a product not of the coal...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c568-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it will be obvious that the proposals in the Bill are not the ones described in the book. ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 726 c566 (Link to this contribution)
I have slightly lost the noble Lord’s argument. Is he arguing in favour of a bare majority or a 75 p...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c566 (Link to this contribution)
I have two amendments, to enable the House to consider both possibilities. I am not sure that we nee...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c566-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, again, Mr Laws explains how we got here. But when you see how we got here, it is difficult...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c568 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Norton for opening up the debates on this clause, which raise...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c563 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 27 seeks to leave out subsection (1) of Clause 2. My purpose is to tease out the...
Lord Empey | 726 c563 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord. If my memory serves me correctly, the Northern Ireland Assembly nee...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c564-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also put my name to the amendment to remove the two-thirds provision. This was an improv...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c516 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for explaining the Government’s case slightly more fully than the deba...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c515-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, for the amendment. I was initially puzzled about its...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c514-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the effect of my amendment would be to remove the provision for ““resetting the clock””, a...
Lord Rennard | 726 c519 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the noble and learned Lord is being consistent in his arguments. There seemed to be...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c519 (Link to this contribution)
As regards the AV referendum and the parliamentary boundaries, we saw what was proposed in relation ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c519 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to give way, if you don’t mind. As I say, the Government were given the opportunity t...
Lord Cormack | 726 c518 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness has done us a real favour in introducing her amendment. It is a mischie...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c518 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Cormack: we are grateful to my noble friend Lady Hayter for raisin...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 726 c516 (Link to this contribution)
14A: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, at end insert ““unless this date coincides with an election to a refo...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 726 c517-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment would mean that an election to the other place could not take place on the ...
Lord Bach | 726 c519 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Lord says that that draft Bill will be subject to pre-legislative scrutiny. Th...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c519 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, for this interesting amendment, which has given r...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c510 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord was not in the Chamber for the whole debate. He knows that I normally give way. Perha...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c509 (Link to this contribution)
I agree that it was never my experience. One thing that I am glad that I do not have responsibility ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 726 c510 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is having difficulty finding his place. I am only trying to help him.
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c510 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is always trying to help. I cannot remember who it was in the last debate—it may have...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 726 c510 (Link to this contribution)
That was not very convincing.
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 726 c511 (Link to this contribution)
My noble and learned friend is aware that I have just spent the last year of a four-year term in the...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c510 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, will get an opportunity in future to intervene. I am sure that he will...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c510-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will of course withdraw my amendment at the end of the debate because the purpose of deb...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 726 c511 (Link to this contribution)
There has been none of that fatigue in that Parliament, which has been legislating right up to the w...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 726 c511 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I mean lame duck; I knew I would get it eventually. I can tell my noble and learned friend Lord...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c512 (Link to this contribution)
Is the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, not prepared to concede that it may just be that, in s...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c512-3 (Link to this contribution)
He might have been, but I would not rely on anybody whose point of principle—this one was adopted fo...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 726 c513 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble and learned Lord sits down, since he had a go at me, can he quote one piece of evid...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c513 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Lord quote one bit of evidence in favour of five years? I suspect that the public have...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 726 c513 (Link to this contribution)
I shall answer on the noble and learned Lord’s behalf. The evidence given to the Power commission wa...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 726 c513 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I remind you that the amendment is being withdrawn.
Amendment 11 withdrawn.
Amendments 1...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c514 (Link to this contribution)
14: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, at end insert ““except if an early parliamentary general election has ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 726 c491-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I keep hearing the words, ““It is a matter of judgment””. I heard them from the noble Lord...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c490-1 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that; it gives rise to the concern that has been expressed and that I am, for these purpose...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c489-90 (Link to this contribution)
That is a perfectly fair question, because it is well known that it was Liberal Democrat policy to g...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c488-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, accepting, as I suspect we all do, that this is a matter of judgment, I suggest to the Com...
Lord Cormack | 726 c490 (Link to this contribution)
Not this time.
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 726 c490 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is quite right to point that out, but it has long been Liberal Democrat policy, with ...
Lord Cormack | 726 c490 (Link to this contribution)
Surely if five years is what the leaders of the coalition want—I fully understand that, as I have ma...
Lord Cormack | 726 c485-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am tempted briefly to intervene, partly because of what the noble Lord, Lord Martin, sai...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 726 c483-5 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Stirrup, about the length of the period between electi...
Lord Grocott | 726 c486-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure that I would be happy with the proposal that the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, m...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c475-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment goes to the heart of the Bill in that it seeks to reduce the period of a fi...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c475 (Link to this contribution)
11: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, leave out ““fifth”” and insert ““fourth””
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 726 c479-80 (Link to this contribution)
I will make a brief speech since I have put my name to the amendment. In the course of his reply at ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 726 c481-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am tempted to talk about the word ““consensus””. I said on day one of the Committee that...
Lord Stirrup | 726 c481 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a key argument advanced by the Government in favour of five-year fixed terms as opposed to...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 726 c502 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Lord comment on the point that all the experts who gave evidence, both in the House of...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 726 c501-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I decided to intervene briefly in this debate because I felt that the arguments advanced b...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 726 c501 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if we are to have a fixed-term Parliament, and I believe that we should not, we will do le...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 726 c500 (Link to this contribution)
Would the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, care to comment on the fact that the first reason he gave for ch...
Lord Rennard | 726 c500-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness, particularly for her latter point. In response to her first point, about...
Lord Tyler | 726 c500 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether my noble friend recalls that not only the noble Lord, Lord Wills, but all his polit...
Lord Rennard | 726 c500 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that noble Lords opposite will have an opportunity to explain their points. Perh...
Lord Wills | 726 c499 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord finishes telling us why he changed his mind, perhaps I may point out that all ...
Lord Rennard | 726 c499-500 (Link to this contribution)
The first reason is one about which the noble Lord, Lord Wills, should know a great deal. I pay grea...
Lord Rennard | 726 c499 (Link to this contribution)
No, indeed. There are many things that require considerable scrutiny. But it seems to me that the ac...
Lord Rennard | 726 c499 (Link to this contribution)
In this Bill, we do not necessarily know whether we will have five-year terms or not. If the noble a...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c498 (Link to this contribution)
Knowing that this Parliament is going to last for five years, surely there is time for pre-legislati...
Lord Dobbs | 726 c497 (Link to this contribution)
I think it takes us back to 1974. I well remember Lord Callaghan, as he became. Indeed, he first int...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c497 (Link to this contribution)
I may be wrong, but my recollection is that Mr Callaghan went to the country because of a Motion of ...
Lord Dobbs | 726 c497 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Lord misunderstands me. The election date that he was going to choose was in t...
Lord Desai | 726 c497-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a brief point to make, but first I agree with the noble Lord who has just spoken th...
Lord Dobbs | 726 c494-5 (Link to this contribution)
This House pursues this discussion with considerable passion and at times almost with an element of ...
Lord Dobbs | 726 c495-6 (Link to this contribution)
Did I? My memory does not go back quite that far but I thank noble Lords. I can confirm that there w...
Lord Bach | 726 c496-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He has mentioned the last eight elections. I may be ...
Lord Rennard | 726 c498 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in 2005, together with my noble friend Lord Razzall, I was responsible for the Liberal Dem...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c508-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that clarification because I had interpreted his amendment as leaving 7 May 2015 t...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c508 (Link to this contribution)
I want to correct that, because it is certainly not my intention, which is to have four years, four ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c508 (Link to this contribution)
Well, he can be accused, because noble Lords opposite will accuse him. But any reasonable person wou...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 726 c507 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister seems to be making some of the points that I know colleagues have been anxious about. G...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c507 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness’s final point is a huge leap. As I explained at Second Reading—as did the noble B...
Lord Wills | 726 c506 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Lord said earlier that he was not quite sure what the high principles were tha...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c506-7 (Link to this contribution)
I take seriously the issue that somehow democratic accountability is being reduced. The noble Lord, ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 726 c507 (Link to this contribution)
We have heard in this debate references to all former Prime Ministers using their judgment in their ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c507 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that one can readily do so, because five years was what this Parliament was electe...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 726 c503-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, for introducing the amendme...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 726 c503 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you. That makes my point. It has been argued that the merit of a four-year term is that it giv...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 726 c502 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to comment on that because the experts were, for the most part, either politicians or ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c502-3 (Link to this contribution)
First, a number of the politicians had been Ministers. Does the noble Lord regard that as government...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 726 c503 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Lord tempts me.
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c503 (Link to this contribution)
Please be tempted.
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 726 c503 (Link to this contribution)
A balance has to be struck and I would strike it at five years.
On the previous day in Committee, t...
Lord Grocott | 726 c503 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is precisely the same issue. This is about whether the election should be every four ye...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 726 c503 (Link to this contribution)
I take it that, if the amendment is passed, the noble Lord would also want a referendum on the quest...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c511-2 (Link to this contribution)
How grateful I am for all that. I know that the Minister will have listened to it all.
To go back t...
Lord Wills | 726 c493-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think most would agree that there is merit in the arguments on both sides of the debate ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 726 c499 (Link to this contribution)
Am I given to understand that the reason for not giving this Bill any pre-legislative scrutiny is fe...
Lord Norton of Louth | 726 c564 (Link to this contribution)
I choose my words carefully and refer solely to national legislatures. If we are to have two mechani...
Lord Bach | 726 c489 (Link to this contribution)
I am interested in the noble Lord’s arguments. He knows that his party’s policy for many years was, ...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 726 c509 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot speak for what is going on in the other place at the moment. However, if my memory serves m...
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