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Scotland Bill

Debate on bills on Thursday, 27 January 2011, in the House of Commons, led by Michael Moore. The answering member was Pete Wishart.
Scotland Bill. Second reading debate. Amendment negatived on division (5 to 252). Main question agreed. Programme motion relating to committee of the whole House, consideration, third reading and Lords amendments agreed on question (formal). Money resolution agreed on question (formal). Ways and means resolution agreed on question (formal).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
522 c467-558 
Session
2010-12
Department
Scotland Office
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Money resolutions
Ways and means resolutions
Reasoned amendments
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Scotland Bill. Explanatory notes also published (Bill 115-EN).
Tuesday, 30 November 2010
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Michael Moore | 522 c470 (Link to this contribution) I would not characterise those discussions as negotiations per se, but people have certainly been ra...
Angus Robertson | 522 c470 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State confirm that the UK Government are currently negotiating with the Northe...

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Michael Moore | 522 c470 (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately for the hon. Gentleman, he will have to pay the Scottish rate of income tax. Parliamen...
Frank Doran | 522 c469-70 (Link to this contribution) Following the point that my hon. Friend the Member for Central Ayrshire (Mr Donohoe) made, I can see...
Michael Moore | 522 c469 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman is asking what the costs of running the system will be, but...
Michael Moore | 522 c469 (Link to this contribution) They cannot be domiciled in both places. A person's status as a Scottish taxpayer will be determined...
Michael Moore | 522 c469 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very fair point. Let me reassure him, first, that we have given a lot of ...
Michael Moore | 522 c467-9 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. Over the past decade, the devolution of pow...
Brian H Donohoe | 522 c469 (Link to this contribution) Can the Secretary of State tell me and those who have asked me to probe this point what will happen ...
Speaker | 522 c467 (Link to this contribution) I have to inform the House that I have selected the amendment on the Order Paper.
Michael Moore | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) Once again, my right hon. and learned Friend puts it very elegantly. As I was saying before that br...
John Robertson | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Michael Moore | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) I quite agree with my hon. Friend, who puts his point in such an elegant way.
Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my right hon. Friend is not accusing the Scottish National party of inconsistency. Its a...
Viscount Thurso | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) On taxation generally, is not the lesson that we have learned, from the original Scotland Act 1998, ...
Michael Moore | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is tempting me to get slightly ahead of myself. He will see the proposals that we...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) To supplement the extensive list that my hon. Friend the Member for Dundee East (Stewart Hosie) read...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c470 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State says that all this is part of defending the Union. Obviously his colleague Ta...
Tom Clarke | 522 c473 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the fact that the right hon. Gentleman is dealing with the Barnett formula. Will there be ...
Michael Moore | 522 c473 (Link to this contribution) I am not entirely clear what the right hon. Gentleman has in mind, but it is the essence of devoluti...
Tom Clarke | 522 c473-4 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman might have had the opportunity to look at last week's Sunday Herald, which ...
Michael Moore | 522 c474 (Link to this contribution) First, I pay tribute to the right hon. Gentleman's distinguished career of campaigning on these issu...
Pete Wishart | 522 c472 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State, who is generous with his time. He keeps on saying that the provision...
Michael Moore | 522 c472-3 (Link to this contribution) I understand that the hon. Gentleman will seek to catch your eye later, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am s...
Michael Moore | 522 c472 (Link to this contribution) Those provisions are not in the Bill. That case has not been put forward in detail either by the Gov...
John Robertson | 522 c472 (Link to this contribution) On that point, I listened to the Secretary of State on the ““Today”” programme this morning, when he...
Michael Moore | 522 c472 (Link to this contribution) I had nearly got back to the point I was at, but I shall give way.
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 522 c472 (Link to this contribution) On a point of clarification, would the right hon. Gentleman like to see power over the Crown Estate ...
Michael Moore | 522 c472 (Link to this contribution) I would hate to destroy the cross-party consensus by making any inappropriate reference to a £155,00...
Michael Moore | 522 c475 (Link to this contribution) I hoped that I had been clear, but I am happy to refer the hon. Gentleman back to the Command Paper,...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c475 (Link to this contribution) This is ludicrous. The Scottish Government have published the document, ““Fiscal Autonomy in Scotlan...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c475 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has not quite given me the assurance I seek. The Command Paper also says that...
Michael Moore | 522 c476 (Link to this contribution) None whatever. Implementing our new financial arrangements will require detailed work by the United...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 522 c476 (Link to this contribution) On fiscal autonomy, how is it that tiny places such as the Faroe Islands, with a population of 48,00...
Michael Moore | 522 c475 (Link to this contribution) The essence of debates in the House is that we are allowed to have opinions. I carefully used the wo...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c475 (Link to this contribution) Have the Scottish Government given an indication of the share of the national debt, and the share of...
Michael Moore | 522 c475 (Link to this contribution) I respect the thoroughness with which the hon. Gentleman usually approaches such matters, and he has...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c474-5 (Link to this contribution) In the Secretary of State's comments on the Barnett formula—before the interventions—he said that he...
Michael Moore | 522 c474 (Link to this contribution) I respect the hon. Gentleman's interest in these matters and I commend the way he has followed devol...
Mark Lazarowicz | 522 c474 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is right that the essence of devolution means that the Scottish Government ...
Michael McCann | 522 c476 (Link to this contribution) On the question of health, will the Secretary of State explain why the power to make decisions on ab...
Michael Moore | 522 c476 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman wishes to make his case in that way, people may or may not pay attention to hi...
Michael Moore | 522 c476-7 (Link to this contribution) If I may say so, that is a delicate subject, which was debated carefully in relation to the original...
Anne McGuire | 522 c485 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman please explain what the Scottish Government would do in their relationship w...
Pete Wishart | 522 c485-6 (Link to this contribution) I know that it has been a feature of the Labour party in Scotland, particularly through its leader, ...
David Mundell | 522 c485 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Pete Wishart | 522 c485 (Link to this contribution) I am going to try to make a bit of progress, even though it is the Minister's good self who wishes t...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c486 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making an important point about the aspirations of the Scottish people. He als...
Brian H Donohoe | 522 c486 (Link to this contribution) The Calman report proposed that air passenger duty should be included in the provisions, but it has ...
Pete Wishart | 522 c486 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State said in response to an intervention that air passenger duty could not be cons...
Pete Wishart | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) Of course we will not be voting against new powers for Scotland. We will be raising, throughout the ...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has said repeatedly that he agrees with parts of the Bill, and he accepts that 35...
Pete Wishart | 522 c486-7 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend has just said, it came from Scottish taxpayers. I am grateful to the hon. Lady for...
Pete Wishart | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) Hon. Members seems to want to hear so much about our amendment. It states that the Bill is unaccepta...
Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) In the interests of clarity, will the hon. Gentleman tell the House whether he intends to divide the...
Pete Wishart | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) We would not table a reasoned amendment if we did not intend to divide the House. Of course we are g...
Pete Wishart | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a bit of progress because, to be fair, I have taken a number of interventions fro...
Pete Wishart | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to try to make progress, if the hon. Lady will allow me.
Pete Wishart | 522 c485 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the right hon. Lady later, but I now wish to get through my speech. Parts of the...
Pete Wishart | 522 c485 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress. Airguns blight so many communities in Scotland, but it is perplexing ...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c485 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c489 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman seeks to disagree with me, in a mild way and from a sedentary position, but the f...
Pete Wishart | 522 c488 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am sure that the hon. Member for Glasgow Central (Anas ...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c488-9 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to speak after the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart)...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c488 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Before the hon. Gentleman concludes, may I point out that...
Speaker | 522 c488 (Link to this contribution) Fortunately, it is not for the Chair to remind Members that they have not necessarily referred to ev...
Anne McGuire | 522 c490 (Link to this contribution) I am one of the campaign veterans from those long days and nights spent scrutinising the Scotland Ac...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c489-90 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly why the provisions of this Bill, which give more accountability and power to the Sco...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c489 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady, who is sadly wrong, as is her hon. Friend the Member for Milton Keyn...
Iain Stewart | 522 c489 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the operation of the Barnett formula in its strictest sense will prot...
Alan Reid | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the hon. Gentleman understands the procedures of the House. Does he not realis...
Pete Wishart | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) This is a reasoned amendment. We are inviting the House to look at the many difficulties in the Bill...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) Surely the big question for Labour Members is whether they want a strong Scottish Parliament to prot...
Speaker | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps we could now return to the amendment, Mr Wishart.
Pete Wishart | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. My hon. Friend has made his point in his typical and obli...
Pete Wishart | 522 c487 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way because I am about to finish my speech. We have the opportunity to strengthen t...
Pete Wishart | 522 c488 (Link to this contribution) I am about to conclude, if the hon. Gentleman will allow me. This is clearly an insufficient Bill, ...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c488 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Pete Wishart | 522 c480-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who knows about these issues and understands the difficulties that ...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c480 (Link to this contribution) I think that the Secretary of State is confused. He has talked of basing the figure on a single year...
Pete Wishart | 522 c480 (Link to this contribution) And the Secretary of State accuses me of being selective! It is not possible to be more selective th...
Michael Moore | 522 c480 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is usually fair, and I should hate him to miss the opportunity to be fair on this...
Pete Wishart | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) I will take interventions in a minute, but, if hon. Members do not mind, I will make a little progre...
Pete Wishart | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention.
Pete Wishart | 522 c480 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for that correction. He has conceded that it is possible tha...
Michael Moore | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) I want to nail this nonsense about the £8 billion. Of course it is possible to take one particular y...
Pete Wishart | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly give way to the Secretary of State.
Michael Moore | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Pete Wishart | 522 c478 (Link to this contribution) Now that we have resolved that little matter, I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from ““That””...
Speaker | 522 c478 (Link to this contribution) The amendment is in order, otherwise Mr Speaker would not have selected it for debate.
Pete Wishart | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) It is a matter of principle. I know that the right hon. Gentleman knows very little about principle ...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) If that is the attitude of the Scottish National party, why have its members taken no part in the co...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c479 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has criticised the Calman process, which involved three parties working together....
Gordon Banks | 522 c477 (Link to this contribution) On the Secretary of State's comments about insolvency, the Bill seems to take responsibility for liq...
Jim McGovern | 522 c477 (Link to this contribution) On the Secretary of State's point about the change to the Scotland Act to allow ““the Scottish Execu...
Michael Moore | 522 c477 (Link to this contribution) The Bill reflects the balance of the representations that we have seen and the different legal basis...
Jim McGovern | 522 c478 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I raised this point earlier with the Secretary of State. ...
Michael Moore | 522 c477-8 (Link to this contribution) Far be it from me to be drawn into these matters. I can only assume that the amendment is competent,...
Pete Wishart | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for finally clearing that up. I was talking about a measure...
Speaker | 522 c483 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for your assistance in this matter, Mr Donohoe. I will decide whether the hon. Gentlem...
Brian H Donohoe | 522 c483 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. May I suggest, Madam Deputy Speaker, that you gently remi...
Pete Wishart | 522 c483 (Link to this contribution) I think we have been through all this before, but he might want another shot.
Pete Wishart | 522 c483 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman asks a fair question, and he will find out the response in May, when a Cons...
David Mundell | 522 c483 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the hon. Gentleman what happened to his party's cunning plan: the referendum on independen...
Pete Wishart | 522 c483 (Link to this contribution) Why was independence excluded in the setting up the Calman commission? Why could we not have include...
Anne Begg | 522 c482-3 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentlemen agree that had the SNP been more engaged with Calman and taken part in the c...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c482 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give a direct answer to something? Why did the SNP not make a submission to ...
Pete Wishart | 522 c482 (Link to this contribution) I will oblige the hon. Gentleman. The Bill is a massive wasted opportunity for Scotland, because so ...
Pete Wishart | 522 c482 (Link to this contribution) The Calman commission was proposed by the three Unionist parties, and discussions have gone on all t...
Margaret Curran | 522 c482 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's contribution seems to contain an inherent contradiction, because he is saying t...
Pete Wishart | 522 c482 (Link to this contribution) That was an unfortunate intervention, because I give the hon. Lady more credit than that. I was tryi...
Fiona O'Donnell | 522 c481 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman cannot have it both ways. He cannot say that he wants rigorous scrutiny, and then...
Pete Wishart | 522 c481-2 (Link to this contribution) I do not know what the hon. Lady is referring to. I have never said anything about false information...
Brian H Donohoe | 522 c492 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I must correct the hon. Lady. Rabbie Burns was never know...
Speaker | 522 c492 (Link to this contribution) We will take that as a point of clarification rather than a point of order.
Frank Roy | 522 c491 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady's memory has been clouded through the years because at no point was the Scotland Act s...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) We are going back over old arguments now. I merely make the point that we always said that the devol...
Brian H Donohoe | 522 c491 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady explain why, if the Labour party was so self-centred at that time, we allowed pro...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c491 (Link to this contribution) I have never understood that and it is not for me to give the answer.
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c491 (Link to this contribution) It would be wrong to go back over arguments that we had more than a decade ago, but I stick to my po...
Anne McGuire | 522 c491 (Link to this contribution) I respectfully suggest to the hon. Lady that that was not how the settlement was established. I do n...
Michael McCann | 522 c490 (Link to this contribution) I might not agree with the hon. Lady's view of the economic situation, but does she share my view th...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c490 (Link to this contribution) It was; the right hon. Lady is right. As I said when I paid tribute to Donald Dewar a moment ago, th...
Ann McKechin | 522 c492-3 (Link to this contribution) It is now more than 12 years since the then Labour Government guided the pioneering Scotland Act 199...
Ann McKechin | 522 c493 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will no doubt remind us how much his national conversation cost, which resulted i...
Pete Wishart | 522 c493 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady remind us how much the Calman commission cost?
Margaret Curran | 522 c500 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman comment on the Scottish Futures Trust? Does he see that as a model for...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c498 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes the interesting assertion—it is only an assertion—that he believes he...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c498-9 (Link to this contribution) No, but people have said to me, ““I want independence, as long as I can still be a British citizen.”...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c499 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is simply wrong about this matter. Although the Scottish Government will co...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c499-500 (Link to this contribution) On the models that I have seen, the reverse is the case, particularly at a time of public spending c...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c497 (Link to this contribution) I respect the right hon. Gentleman's view that this is a process, and that he wants to reach what he...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c497 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will let me proceed with my speech, he will receive the answer, precisely beca...
Mike Weir | 522 c497 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c496-7 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to follow the hon. Member for Glasgow North (Ann McKechin), who made a fair analysis...
Mark Lazarowicz | 522 c496 (Link to this contribution) A large number of charities are headquartered in my constituency, and they regret the fact that the ...
Ann McKechin | 522 c496 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. On that point, I agree that it would be helpful if the Government r...
Gordon Banks | 522 c494 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend confirm that any amendments that we table in Committee will have more bearing an...
Ann McKechin | 522 c495-6 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to provide my hon. Friend with that assurance. Unlike some other parties, we are already ...
Pete Wishart | 522 c494 (Link to this contribution) I am relieved that we will see no Labour amendments on Antarctica. I am grateful that the hon. Lady ...
Ann McKechin | 522 c494 (Link to this contribution) Unlike the hon. Gentleman, who wants to stop this process in its tracks this evening, I believe that...
Frank Roy | 522 c493 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend tell the House what would have happened had Scotland at that point been part of ...
Ann McKechin | 522 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) SNP Members have made no mention today of an analysis of what would have happened under fiscal indep...
Pete Wishart | 522 c493 (Link to this contribution) The Calman commission cost £614,000, which is an extraordinary amount of money. It is what David McL...
Ann McKechin | 522 c493 (Link to this contribution) Sadly, the hon. Gentleman has not informed the House that his national conversation—the big blether ...
Speaker | 522 c524 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before the hon. Member for Glasgow North West (John Robertson) resumes his speech, I should s...
John Robertson | 522 c523-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Warrington South (David Mowat). I also enjoyed the co...
Ann McKechin | 522 c522-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions basing the determination on needs. In last Wednesday's Adjournment debat...
David Mowat | 522 c523 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree that stability is a better prize if it is based on something that is wrong. I agree t...
David Mowat | 522 c522 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend, but I have two points in response. First, the Government have said that they...
David Mowat | 522 c521 (Link to this contribution) What I think we would agree about—I think this has been the consensus—is that we should have a needs...
Iain Stewart | 522 c521 (Link to this contribution) I must correct my hon. Friend. The Barnett formula has been adjusted in the past to take account of ...
David Mowat | 522 c521 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to say that the Barnett consequentials each year take the correct, current r...
Iain Stewart | 522 c521-2 (Link to this contribution) One of my bugbears in this debate is that when we talk about the Barnett formula, we forget that Bar...
David Mowat | 522 c522 (Link to this contribution) What I propose is that the allocation is done on a needs basis that is fair to the constituents that...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c522 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the proposals to which he refers, which he seem...
David Mundell | 522 c522 (Link to this contribution) I very much respect what my hon. Friend says. He took part in a Westminster Hall debate on the issue...
Anne McGuire | 522 c517 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to interpret the SNP's tactics, but it is certainly bizarre that their amendment says ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 522 c517 (Link to this contribution) As the SNP has fallen silent, will my right hon. Friend tell us why she thinks the party bottled it ...
Anne McGuire | 522 c516 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Milton Keynes South (Iain Stewart). I listened ...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c516 (Link to this contribution) Is it not alarming, given the Scottish National party's amendment, that those Members will be voting...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c520 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Milton Keynes South (Iain...
Anne McGuire | 522 c517-9 (Link to this contribution) I gave up many years ago trying to get into the political mind of the SNP and I do not know if I wan...
David Mowat | 522 c519-20 (Link to this contribution) Before I get into my remarks, may I apologise to the House for three things? First, it is not my bir...
Pete Wishart | 522 c521 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said that London secures the most identified public spending—that is before we ge...
David Mowat | 522 c521 (Link to this contribution) Paradoxically, the part of England that receives the most per head is London.
Anas Sarwar | 522 c521 (Link to this contribution) When discussing the rights and wrongs of the Barnett formula, would it not be sensible to compare th...
David Mowat | 522 c520-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. She made two points, the first of which was about spar...
Iain Stewart | 522 c513-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention. I think it is unhelpful to make an exact analogy with a particu...
Iain Stewart | 522 c514 (Link to this contribution) Before the hon. Gentleman intervenes, I wish to illustrate that point by discussing two SNP publicat...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c514 (Link to this contribution) I certainly agree that the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland—GERS—survey is based on certa...
Iain Stewart | 522 c514 (Link to this contribution) But surely the point is that, if we want to set up new fiscal arrangements between the constituent p...
Mike Weir | 522 c514 (Link to this contribution) Surely that is a problem that affects all companies that operate across national borders, of which, ...
Iain Stewart | 522 c514 (Link to this contribution) I believe that it would be a difficulty, and I have seen no evidence from the Scottish National part...
Mark Lazarowicz | 522 c514-5 (Link to this contribution) Are not the economies of England, Scotland and the rest of the UK so closely integrated and dependen...
Iain Stewart | 522 c515 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly the point. The relationship between Scotland and England is so interwoven that to st...
Iain Stewart | 522 c515-6 (Link to this contribution) It is not a contradictory at all and I am not saying that I rule out that possibility. My book does ...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c515 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's speech is throwing up practical issues that would have to be resolved in any ci...
Iain Stewart | 522 c513 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has a more detailed knowledge of the current state of the Basque economy than I d...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c513 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that the approach of the Basque country and others may be fraught with diffi...
Iain Stewart | 522 c512-3 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I sense a rising demand for my book. Next Christmas is a little way...
Speaker | 522 c512 (Link to this contribution) Order. That was a very long intervention. I think that the hon. Lady has given the hon. Gentleman hi...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c512 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to interrupt my hon. Friend, but he has just demonstrated that he is one of the few peopl...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c511 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman talks of the amount that might be raised if the tax rate were put up. There is, h...
Iain Stewart | 522 c511 (Link to this contribution) As I said to the hon. Member for Angus (Mr Weir), if the hon. Gentleman allows me to make a little p...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c513 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend acknowledge that joining the inland revenue contribution club is not a popular s...
Iain Stewart | 522 c513 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a powerful point.
Mark Lazarowicz | 522 c513 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I should add that the Basque country and Catalonia have always had higher gross national pro...
Iain Stewart | 522 c510 (Link to this contribution) I beg the hon. Gentleman's patience, as I will turn to those points in a moment.
Mike Weir | 522 c510 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman. He talks about the financial responsibility of the S...
Iain Stewart | 522 c510 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I am not sure whether his birthday is coming up, but I will happily...
David Mowat | 522 c510 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a powerful point about the threat to the Union posed by a perception of unfairn...
Pete Wishart | 522 c508 (Link to this contribution) It is not just the First Minister who has said that there is a fiscal drag with the current plans— £...
Graeme Morrice | 522 c508 (Link to this contribution) I am obviously aware of the objection to the Bill from the SNP—it is an objection that we often hear...
Iain Stewart | 522 c509-10 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate. Although I represent a seat south of the border, ...
Graeme Morrice | 522 c508 (Link to this contribution) The reality is that Government expenditure in Scotland is considerably greater than the sums raised ...
Iain Stewart | 522 c510-1 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an important point. The whole subject is difficult and complex, given the...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c510 (Link to this contribution) No one can deny that these are legitimate issues for debate, but does my hon. Friend not acknowledge...
Pete Wishart | 522 c511 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman looks at the study by Oxford Economics, he will find that London secures more ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 522 c503-4 (Link to this contribution) I expect that it is a reflection of what has happened to my life since coming to this place. I begi...
Fiona O'Donnell | 522 c503 (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute to the right hon. Member for Gordon (Malcolm Bruce) for an illuminating and useful con...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c506 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the hon. Gentleman's comments and am pleased that he supports the Bill. I just want to hig...
John Stevenson | 522 c505-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to participate in this debate. My contribution will be modest, giv...
Fiona O'Donnell | 522 c504 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman is bored, he could make the debate more interesting by intervening to answer t...
Pete Wishart | 522 c504 (Link to this contribution) I just got bored listening to this. I've heard it all before.
Stewart Hosie | 522 c508 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is wrong. Any country will see its tax revenues fall or rise with the economic cy...
Graeme Morrice | 522 c507 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for East Lothian (Fiona O'Donnell) on her excellent and ent...
John Stevenson | 522 c506 (Link to this contribution) There is certainly a degree of irony in that. I welcome the Bill.
Eilidh Whiteford | 522 c500 (Link to this contribution) What did the right hon. Gentleman's colleagues in the previous Scottish Administration do to progres...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c500 (Link to this contribution) My next paragraph relates to my constituency, and I am sure the hon. Lady can predict the answer to ...
Mike Weir | 522 c501 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has just made an outrageous attack on the subject of rail. He should ask th...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c500-1 (Link to this contribution) They published the line of route for both that and for the A90. It took the SNP four years to make n...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c501 (Link to this contribution) Withdraw! You said ““no new stations””. Withdraw now!
Gordon Banks | 522 c501 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Angus (Mr Weir) mentioned the Sterling-Alloa railway line. The right hon. Member...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c501 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge that some of those things have happened, but the SNP has been very good at cutting the...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c501-3 (Link to this contribution) I will of course observe your strictures, Madam Deputy Speaker, but when we are talking about powers...
Speaker | 522 c501 (Link to this contribution) Order. Many speakers have gone very wide of the subject in illustrating the points that they wish to...
David Mundell | 522 c554 (Link to this contribution) I have no time to give way. I ask those people to reflect, in the few minutes left, on the fact tha...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c552 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has not listened to the debate. We made it extremely clear that we will not stand in th...
David Mundell | 522 c552-4 (Link to this contribution) In that regard, the hon. Gentleman's comments are as incoherent as his comments in relation to the f...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 522 c545 (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Lady prefer that powers over aspects of Scottish life that are important for keeping ...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c545 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. People in my constituency tell me that their biggest concerns are about jobs. Th...
Ian Murray | 522 c545 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend mentioned the SNP obsession with independence. Does she agree that it is a sad indict...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c545 (Link to this contribution) That is very worrying. Before the general election last year, Alex Salmond in fact said that he woul...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c544-5 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Member for Dundee East (Stewart Hosie) would like to discuss that with me, I would be ha...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c543-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Dundee East (Stewart Hosie) mentioned banter, and before I deal with the substan...
David Mundell | 522 c551-2 (Link to this contribution) Anybody who reads the transcripts will realise that it was the way in which the evidence was given, ...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c551 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is wrong: there was no criticism of the process of Scottish Parliament Committee scruti...
Speaker | 522 c547 (Link to this contribution) If the amendment were passed, the Bill could go forward—[Interruption.] I know what the hon. Gentlem...
Tom Greatrex | 522 c547-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to be able to make some remarks following this interesting and wide-ranging debate,...
David Mundell | 522 c549-51 (Link to this contribution) I begin by thanking all right hon. and hon. Members for their contributions to the debate. I shall t...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c546 (Link to this contribution) I have already given way to the hon. Gentleman, so may I make some progress please? One reason why ...
Pete Wishart | 522 c546 (Link to this contribution) It is really sad that we are back to incoherent ranting in interchangeable speeches from Labour Memb...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c546 (Link to this contribution) Just before I gave way, I mentioned the hon. Gentleman's amendment, which I think was very generous ...
Robert Smith | 522 c546 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Could you clarify the procedural consequences if the House w...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c538 (Link to this contribution) I now see what the Minister is asking. I have every confidence that, when we coalesce in Committee, ...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c538 (Link to this contribution) I will take one more intervention before starting line 1 of my speech.
Cathy Jamieson | 522 c538 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Stewart Hosie | 522 c538-9 (Link to this contribution) The arguments in favour of the reasoned amendment will be made and they will explain, I hope with so...
Cathy Jamieson | 522 c538 (Link to this contribution) My understanding was that the hon. Gentleman indicated earlier that he would divide the House on the...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c539 (Link to this contribution) That is not necessarily true, and we need to look at both these measures: the growth in income tax v...
David Mowat | 522 c539 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman's point about a deflationary bias vis-à-vis the total tax take, but,...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c539-40 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding the deflationary bias, there might be growth in some elements of income tax revenue,...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c539 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that, under the arrangement imposed by the Bill, we would share not o...
Iain Stewart | 522 c540 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Iain Stewart | 522 c540 (Link to this contribution) I want to return to the hon. Gentleman's point about changes to income tax allowances and other chan...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c540 (Link to this contribution) One second. I am sure that such a change will not be allowed to happen, but UK Governments have ann...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c542 (Link to this contribution) There are forms of words that can be accepted, tabled and selected and forms of words that cannot. I...
Fiona O'Donnell | 522 c542 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has been very reasonable in acknowledging the parts of the Bill of which he appro...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c540-2 (Link to this contribution) That is what the Command Paper says, but because the Barnett rules have the effect of squeezing inco...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c543 (Link to this contribution) We are 10 years into devolution. We have a Scottish Parliament, of which everyone speaks highly. The...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c543 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has been very generous in giving way. He says that he will not stand in the way o...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c542-3 (Link to this contribution) I am going to go on with my speech. We would like the landfill tax to be used to support waste sepa...
John Robertson | 522 c524-5 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for your guidance, Mr Deputy Speaker; I am hoping to speak to amendments in Committee that...
John Robertson | 522 c525 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman sounds very reasonable, but I do not believe he is being reasonable, and I shall ...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c525 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being unreasonably reasonable. The amendment is not only reasoned, but reasona...
John Robertson | 522 c526-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has obviously not consulted people in areas where nuclear power stations have been bui...
Eilidh Whiteford | 522 c526 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman's constituents would like a nuclear power station in their backy...
Mike Weir | 522 c527 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman seriously suggesting that the Scottish Government can only spend money coming ...
Speaker | 522 c525 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have not put forward any amendment to the Bill. The hon. Gentleman has used the word ““you”...
John Robertson | 522 c525-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes my point. That is why the amendment was a mistake, and I think that the Scottis...
Ian Murray | 522 c525 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful argument about the amendment tabled by the Scottish nationalists...
William Bain | 522 c527-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow my near parliamentary neighbour, my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow No...
John Robertson | 522 c527 (Link to this contribution) Well, I think that the money went to trying to support a Scottish Parliament and a Scottish Governme...
John Robertson | 522 c527 (Link to this contribution) What I think is ridiculous is £34 million not going to disabled children.
David Mundell | 522 c538 (Link to this contribution) I think that the House deserves some clarification from the hon. Gentleman. If the amendment that he...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c538 (Link to this contribution) It is rather obvious that we are seeking to make the Bill better. In its current form it will not wo...
David Mundell | 522 c537 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I do not understand the logic of the hon. Gentleman's argument, because his so-call...
Stewart Hosie | 522 c537 (Link to this contribution) It is a genuine pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Kilmarnock and Loudoun (Cathy Jamieson), who ...
Cathy Jamieson | 522 c532-7 (Link to this contribution) I am particularly pleased to have the opportunity to speak in this debate. As the hon. Member for Ep...
Margaret Curran | 522 c529-32 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being able to stay to hear the concluding remarks today. This is explained by th...
Gordon Banks | 522 c469 (Link to this contribution) Before the Secretary of State moves on from this point, can he outline to the House what he expects ...
Brian H Donohoe | 522 c469 (Link to this contribution) But what happens—this is the question that has been asked of me—when the person is domiciled both in...
Michael Moore | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) If I may say so, the hon. Gentleman makes the point very neatly. Like him, I await the SNP's detaile...
Michael Moore | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart) canno...
Gordon Banks | 522 c484 (Link to this contribution) May I try to bring the hon. Gentleman back to his amendment or even encourage him to start discussin...
Iain Stewart | 522 c511-2 (Link to this contribution) I am explaining why I do not think the provisions in the current Scotland Act are sufficient, and wh...
Speaker | 522 c501 (Link to this contribution) Order. Mr Hosie, I think that is my business, not yours, and I would be very grateful if you did not...
Gemma Doyle | 522 c545-6 (Link to this contribution) At the moment, I am afraid that I am not too keen on either, but we must work in both Parliaments. ...
David Mundell | 522 c551 (Link to this contribution) Of course, Antarctica is another issue—it became of interest to the Scottish National party only whe...
Anas Sarwar | 522 c471 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State agree that those Scottish National party Members who are getting animate...
Michael Moore | 522 c470-1 (Link to this contribution) What I absolutely agree with is the process that we went through as three different parties that cam...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c489 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend and I am grateful to him for making that point at this stage in...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c491 (Link to this contribution) I am very pleased to agree entirely with the hon. Gentleman—this is an unusual debate. During the p...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 522 c492 (Link to this contribution) I entirely take the hon. Gentleman's point—I was being far too familiar and colloquial. Let me be mo...
Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 522 c497-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall make a little progress, if the hon. Gentleman will allow me. At the time when the constitut...
Pete Wishart | 522 c524 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is the epitome of reason, and his speech differs greatly from some of the incoher...
David Mowat | 522 c522 (Link to this contribution) The difference that we are really talking about today is the one between the constituent parts of th...
Pete Wishart | 522 c544 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Lady listened carefully to my hon. Friend the Member for Dundee East (Stewar...
John Robertson | 522 c525 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. The ““you”” is, of course, a Scottish phrase that you have misundersto...
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