Equality Bill. Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 84 to 147 agreed to, with clauses 91, 96, 119, 148 agreed to as amended. Schedules 9 to 16 agreed to, with schedule 13 agreed to as amended.
Equality Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 27 January 2010,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
716 c1415-72,1487-512
Session
2009-10
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Equality Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 20-EN also published.
Thursday, 3 December 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Thursday, 3 December 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the explanation that I gave about the competitive nature of sport and the recognition o...
Baroness Byford | 716 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the Committee for being late and arriving after my noble friend had already started. ...
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Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
Would the Minister please revisit that point because I am not sure that she has dealt with it as ful...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1457 (Link to this contribution)
I think that that is right, but women are just more elegant at it. I think that I was correct in say...
Duke of Montrose | 716 c1453-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have not previously intervened in the passage of the Bill but I have come across issues ...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1455 (Link to this contribution)
I think the noble Lord, Lord Lester, has demonstrated why my noble friend the Duke of Montrose was q...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1454-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not want to hold up the debate by explaining why I am against this amendment, suffice...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1455-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very happy to reassure the noble Duke, the Duke of Montrose, and explain what is mean...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 716 c1455 (Link to this contribution)
We have debated the different approaches that can be made by groups of particular ages, Saga for exa...
Lord Monson | 716 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, following the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, not only are there no doubt a number of candida...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 716 c1462-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the most reverend Primate and the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill, I enter a ca...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 716 c1462 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be quick; I appreciate the time factor. I think the Minister will understand that ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1462 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have one further thing to ask. Does the Minister agree that what is really important is ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1457-8 (Link to this contribution)
108KA: After Clause 105, insert the following new Clause—
"Information about diversity in range of c...
Lord Sentamu | 716 c1461-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I align myself with the sentiments expressed by the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, and the n...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1460-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in speaking on this delicate matter, I should make it clear that I have no clue as to what...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 716 c1460 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in his evidence session to the Speaker’s Conference, my right honourable friend David Came...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1458-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to government Amendment 108Q, government Amendment 134A, government Ame...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 716 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
Was there any discussion about a lighter-touch approach to this? These data surely could be collecte...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
Noble Lords are right to reflect on the use of data but I cannot imagine that they would be used as ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot, in all honesty, answer the noble Lord’s question. I know that the basis for the Government...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1465-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what a lot of lovely questions and quite rightly, too, as this is a rather important debat...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 716 c1465 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the most reverend Primate the Archbishop of York contrasted subsection (2), which is a "mu...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1466 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister. I am not making trouble—I promise—but what worries me is the pri...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 716 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I turn to something which the noble Lord, Lord Alton, said when he was talking about the J...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 716 c1464-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as noble Lords know, I have never been keen on women-only shortlists, but I have gradually...
Lord Alli | 716 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that I concur with what many have said in terms of the sensitivity relating to sex...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1471-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I certainly agree with the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, that the outcome not the process is impo...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1470-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in considering whether Clause 123 should stand part of the Bill I referred to the Explanat...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
108R: Clause 119, page 75, line 28, at end insert—
"(8) In subsection (1), the references to Part 5 ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall respond to those things in due course.
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1468-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am not completely convinced about excluding, ""marriage and civil partnership … pregnancy and mate...
Lord Sentamu | 716 c1468 (Link to this contribution)
When the noble Baroness goes away to think about it, could she take seriously the last intervention ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1467-8 (Link to this contribution)
Both noble Baronesses are right to make the points that they do. I also agree with the noble Lord, L...
Baroness Northover | 716 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Baroness agree that it is worth bearing in mind what the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, s...
Lord Monson | 716 c1433 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the noble Lord would quickly answer my question about whether objective aptitude tests would...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution)
An employer is fully entitled to employ only those who are capable of doing the job. Of course, no o...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 716 c1434 (Link to this contribution)
106A: After Clause 89, insert the following new Clause—
"Reserved teachers at schools with a religio...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 716 c1434-5 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak also to the other amendments in this group. Amendment 106A reinstates an important pro...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 716 c1435 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 106A is yet another attempt to limit the powers of governors and goes specifical...
Bishop of Liverpool | 716 c1435-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Turner, will not be surprised to learn that these Benches do not ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1438 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches, especially in the other place, strongly supported this range of amend...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1438 (Link to this contribution)
Provided we get a Report stage. If I can be guaranteed that we will, we can deal with my foolish mis...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1438-40 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the noble Lord in return. I can confirm that his amendment had been accepted by the G...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 716 c1440-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for that response and I also thank other noble Lords who have spok...
Lord Low of Dalston | 716 c1441-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had thought that the Minister would speak to her Amendment 106B, but perhaps she will co...
Baroness Wilkins | 716 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support government Amendment 106B and the amendments in the name of the noble L...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1441 (Link to this contribution)
106AZA: Clause 91, page 58, line 10, at end insert—
"(2A) The responsible body of such an institutio...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1441 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will also speak to government Amendments 106AZB and 106AZC. These are purely technical a...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1446-7 (Link to this contribution)
There are only two points on which I disagree with my noble friend. First, he could never be describ...
Lord Low of Dalston | 716 c1447 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord accept that Ofqual already has the public confidence objective given to it as on...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1444-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will return to the important points made by the noble Lord, Lord Low of Dalston, and the...
Lord Patten | 716 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
Can my noble friend help me? As he well knows, I am neither a barrister nor a solicitor; I am a simp...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1447 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think we can reiterate it too often. It is vital that public confidence is maintained. I co...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1447 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for not being here to hear the speech by the noble Baroness, Lady Wilkins. We support th...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1447-9 (Link to this contribution)
First, I will deal with the issue of the inadvertent omission from the Bill and the way in which the...
Lord Low of Dalston | 716 c1450 (Link to this contribution)
There is a lot I could say about this but I think we are all anxious to make more rapid progress wit...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1450-1 (Link to this contribution)
We have just heard a brief but very important speech from the noble Lord, Lord Low of Dalston. As he...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1451-2 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendments 107B, 108EB and 108GA in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Low. As the no...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
106B: Clause 96, page 62, line 36, leave out "desirability of minimising" and insert "need to minimi...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution)
107: Schedule 13, page 182, line 36, leave out "requirement" and insert "and third requirements"
Am...
Lord Low of Dalston | 716 c1450 (Link to this contribution)
107B: Schedule 13, page 182, line 36, at end insert—
"( ) For the purposes of this paragraph, the re...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
Could the Minister explain who she is going to consult, just to set it out clearly?
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Low, explained very clearly that we have discussed these issues with a range of...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister say a little more about when she anticipates being able to return to the House or ...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that we will start discussing drafting probably within the next few days, so we can be rea...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1453 (Link to this contribution)
108EA: Schedule 13, page 184, line 6, leave out "or third"
Amendment 108EA agreed.
Amendments 108E...
Duke of Montrose | 716 c1453 (Link to this contribution)
108KZA: Clause 101, page 65, line 13, at end insert—
"( ) This section does not apply to financial c...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1453 (Link to this contribution)
108: Schedule 13, page 183, line 4, leave out first "the" and insert "each"
Amendment 108 agreed.
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Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
To follow up the issue raised by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, it is extremely important that...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree with the noble Lord, and we intend that this Bill should reach the statute books....
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 716 c1426 (Link to this contribution)
In response to the query of the noble Lord, Lord Monson, about smaller firms and flexible working, s...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 716 c1426 (Link to this contribution)
I agree, and I know both small and large organisations. The issue is the same in that you have to tr...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 716 c1426 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Baroness accept that it is extremely difficult to prove that a person is not capable ...
Lord Monson | 716 c1426 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Baroness agree that while it may be possible for a large employer to move an older em...
Lord Monson | 716 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall pick up the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, from the Conservative F...
Lord Pannick | 716 c1422-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support these amendments, not just for all the reasons of policy and practice that...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 716 c1422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment. At Second Reading, I said that there is no reason for not gettin...
Baroness Greengross | 716 c1420-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Lord’s amendment, having campaigned for this since the 1970s, as does ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1431-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hear what my noble friend has said and the best thing for me to do would be to respond t...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1432-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am extremely grateful to everyone who has taken part in the debate, although I am not go...
Lord Low of Dalston | 716 c1430-1 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness leaves the review, might I ask her one more question about it? Will the re...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1428-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the intention of Amendments 102 and 103 is to abolish the default retirement age. Many nob...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 716 c1431 (Link to this contribution)
I am very sorry to intervene, but would my noble friend register the huge dilemma that exists given ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1431 (Link to this contribution)
It would seem a sensible way forward. I cannot give any commitment today but I will certainly commun...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1426-7 (Link to this contribution)
That is not quite right. It was the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, who brought down the age of...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 716 c1426 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I appreciate the general problem that these amendments raise. It is important to have rega...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 716 c1427 (Link to this contribution)
I thought I was giving way to the noble Lord, Lord Lester; I had not quite finished what I wanted to...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1508-9 (Link to this contribution)
Listening to the debate, I feel a little like a spectator. I know that the noble Lord, Lord Lester, ...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1509-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak first to Amendment 111 and, secondly, to Amendment 112, which is a different ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1510-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to everyone who has spoken, especially the most reverend Primate and the Min...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 716 c1508 (Link to this contribution)
Forgive me, and if I am wrong I apologise for wasting the time of the Committee, but in Clause 148, ...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1503 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may ask about timing. Given the document published earlier this week, are the regulations ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1503-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, much of this is a consultative process. We have put out our policy statement. I understand...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1502-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak first to Amendment 110. The new equality duty will follow the same structure...
Baroness Young of Hornsey | 716 c1502 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall once again speak to an amendment tabled by my noble friend Lord Ouseley, who is un...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1501-2 (Link to this contribution)
While we have discussed some of the issues related to the mechanics and functions of the public sect...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1501 (Link to this contribution)
110: Clause 148, page 94, line 37, at end insert—
"( ) A public authority must collect and publish a...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1499-500 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 109, tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Warsi and Lady Morris of Bolton, would...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 716 c1499 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wonder if I might press the indulgence of the House a little. At an earlier stage of the...
Lord Sentamu | 716 c1508 (Link to this contribution)
I began with that: I said that the difficulty with the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Lester, is ...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 716 c1504 (Link to this contribution)
From the standpoint of the Cross Benches, perhaps I may say how delighted I am and how wonderful it ...
Lord Sentamu | 716 c1507 (Link to this contribution)
When the noble and right reverend Lord looks at Clause 10, he will see that it says: ""Religion mean...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 716 c1507 (Link to this contribution)
The case for retaining the words of the Bill is that both internationally and in this country religi...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 716 c1508 (Link to this contribution)
I do not mind which of the noble Lords will be speaking, but perhaps I may ask how one is going to c...
Baroness Young of Hornsey | 716 c1507-8 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Lester—I think. It was interesting listening to the ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1504 (Link to this contribution)
111: Clause 148, page 95, line 3, at end insert—
"but subsection (1)(b) does not apply to the protec...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1504 (Link to this contribution)
I greatly welcome what the noble and right reverend Lord has said and I thank him. It is important t...
Lord Sentamu | 716 c1506-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I never believed that the noble Lord believes that the Church of England has such authorit...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1504-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke much about this issue at Second Reading at col. 1416 when I explained my great con...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1492-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is such an important debate. It is a little sad that it is all grouped together becau...
Bishop of Liverpool | 716 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord said that he was not sure what the amendment would add to the Bill. I was particularl...
Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 716 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
I do not support Amendment 108T. While I support the notation behind it, inserting this vital princi...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1491-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we fully support the amendments of the noble Baroness, Lady Campbell, for all the reasons ...
Baroness Young of Hornsey | 716 c1487 (Link to this contribution)
108S: Clause 148, page 94, line 9, at end insert "take such steps as it reasonably considers appropr...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1472 (Link to this contribution)
We strongly support this clause. The Minister has explained why. One of the problems about the exist...
Baroness Wilkins | 716 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
I shall continue my noble friend’s speech from her notes on her behalf. Without amendment, Clause 14...
Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 716 c1490-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to begin by speaking to my amendments while I still have the puff. Then I wou...
Baroness Coussins | 716 c1488-90 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to Amendment 110A in my name, supported by the Discrimination Law Association and th...
Baroness Young of Hornsey | 716 c1487-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lord Ouseley offers his apologies for not being able to attend this evenin...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 716 c1498 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, could give one or two examples of what she means b...
Baroness Hanham | 716 c1498 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was speaking very much off the cuff, but I think that all these organisations and compan...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1498-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not want to prolong the debate and I am anxious to hear the Minister’s explanation. H...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord concludes, I wonder whether he will consider that one of the other virtues of ...
Baroness Thornton | 716 c1494-6 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the Committee, I will speak first to Amendments 109CA, 109CB and 108T, the first t...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 716 c1493-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Liverpool and the noble Lord, Lord Lester, for maki...
Baroness Hanham | 716 c1496 (Link to this contribution)
109: Clause 148, page 94, line 16, leave out subsection (2) and insert—
"( ) Subsection (1) will als...
Baroness Young of Hornsey | 716 c1496 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her considered remarks. I have to perform a set of mental gymnastics now as...
Baroness Hayman | 716 c1498 (Link to this contribution)
I have to tell the Committee that, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 109A by r...
Baroness Hanham | 716 c1496-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am joining the Front Bench for a fleeting moment, which requires me to declare an interest in that...
Bishop of Chester | 716 c1420 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to make two points. The first has been made by the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, that th...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1415-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am very glad that there are some who were young enough to benefit; I was not.
The purpose of my a...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 716 c1418-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, given the opening remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Lester, I feel that I must declare ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 716 c1417-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments, which I support, have been grouped with my own Amendment 104, to which I...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I begin by declaring a professional interest and dealing with one or two other matters...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
102: Schedule 9, page 167, line 2, leave out paragraph 8
Duke of Montrose | 716 c1457 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for stating so clearly the answers to some of my questions. I also th...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 716 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to reinforce the point just made by the noble Lord, Lord Lester. If there ar...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
Is this the right position? The Sex Discrimination Act always contained an exception whereby women o...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 716 c1425-6 (Link to this contribution)
I was not going to intervene in this debate but I should just like to ask for a couple of points of ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 716 c1423-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose the amendment, which I regard more as a probing amendment at this stage, and supp...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 716 c1427-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think there is agreement in this debate on one broad point: the world is changing fast. ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 716 c1508 (Link to this contribution)
I will explain to the noble Baroness. I have not removed it from Clause 148; I have removed it only ...
Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 716 c1501 (Link to this contribution)
109CA: Clause 148, page 94, line 25, at beginning insert "take steps to"
109CB: Clause 148, page 9...
Baroness Hanham | 716 c1500-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for her response. I made it clear from the outset that we were not opposi...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1468 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I take very seriously all points that have been made in this debate, including those on da...
Lord Low of Dalston | 716 c1452-3 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has asked me to withdraw my amendments, and I am happy to do that—all the more so since...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 716 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I join my voice with those of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Liverpool and the n...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 716 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
106AZB: Clause 91, page 58, line 13, at end insert—
"( ) a disabled person who holds or has applied ...
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