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714 c584-640

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2008-09

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Department of Health
Committee of the Whole House (HL)

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Health Bill (HL). Commons amendments. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 70-EN also published.
Tuesday, 13 October 2009
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Thornton | 714 c639 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments 13, 15 and 25. ...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c639 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 13.

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Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) I spoke to this amendment with Amendment 12. I beg to move. Amendment to the Motion Tabled by

Baroness Thornton | 714 c639 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 14.

Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 15. That the House do agree with the Co...

Baroness Meacher | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) 14A: Insert the following new Clause- "Private health care (1) Section 44 (private health care) of t...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke to this amendment with Amendment 13. I beg to move. Motion agreed. Motion on Ame...

Baroness Meacher | 714 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House. Division on amendment to Motion 12 Contents 85;...

Baroness Fookes | 714 c638 (Link to this contribution) Before I call the next amendment, I have to inform the House that in the Division on Amendment 11, t...

Baroness Cumberlege | 714 c638-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very conscious that when I spoke in the previous debate, I did not fully declare my i...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments 17 to 25. Motion agreed.

Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the privilege amendment. Motion agreed. Motion on Amendments 17 to 25. Moved by...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c631 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Warner said that in 1983, the Government got it wrong.

Lord Walton of Detchant | 714 c630-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief, because I think that this is an excellent amendment which is well worthy...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c631-2 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, in 2003. I am sorry to take issue with my noble friend, but the Government got it right....

Lord Warner | 714 c631 (Link to this contribution) It was 2003.

Baroness Thornton | 714 c624-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 12. In doing so,...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c623-4 (Link to this contribution) 12: Insert the following new Clause- "Private patient income of mental health foundation trusts (1) ...

Lord Warner | 714 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, to the Commons amendm...

Earl Howe | 714 c628-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the world has moved on considerably since we last debated these matters in your Lordships’...

Baroness Meacher | 714 c632 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene only to say that I still agree with every word that I said at the time. On all...

Earl Howe | 714 c621 (Link to this contribution) I am not arguing about that. I am arguing that the two-stage approach, which the Government original...

Baroness Fookes | 714 c637 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness wish to test the opinion of the House?

Baroness Meacher | 714 c636-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. She is in a difficult position in arguing the case for...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c636 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness makes a very good point. It is exactly why we need a thoroughgoing review. The G...

Baroness Cumberlege | 714 c636 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness agree that they had not actually been put into practice, so we did not know ...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c635-6 (Link to this contribution) I did mean a 1.5 per cent average cap on all acute foundation trusts in 2008-2009. There is a differ...

Earl Howe | 714 c635 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. I think she meant 1.5 per cent rather than 5.1 per cent.

Baroness Thornton | 714 c634-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the debate today has shown that this area remains complex. There are a multitude of valuab...

Baroness Barker | 714 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) One thing that has not changed in the past six years is that the best children's hospital in Europe,...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c632 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness says that this is an interim measure. I argue that the interim measure is the con...

Baroness Cumberlege | 714 c632-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remember the tremendous struggle six years ago to get the principles of foundation trust...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c587-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments address a fundamental omission in the foundation trust regulatory regime....

Baroness Thornton | 714 c585-7 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 1. 1: Insert the following new Clause-...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c585 (Link to this contribution) We will go into Committee to discuss a new matter. The usual channels have agreed to that procedure....

Lord Naseby | 714 c584 (Link to this contribution) I seek clarification from the noble Baroness. An unusual procedure is being followed. I am not entir...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c584 (Link to this contribution) That the Commons Amendments 1 to 10, together with any amendments relating thereto, be considered in...

Lord Patel | 714 c600 (Link to this contribution) Further to that question, was it not the case that in the first instance patients and their families...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c600 (Link to this contribution) The only reason why I expressed surprise at the intervention of the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, is ...

Baroness Murphy | 714 c599-600 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, I want to say a word of clarification and ask a further question. I c...

Earl Howe | 714 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, not least those who have suppo...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 714 c601 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is new Section 52E premised on the idea that the Secretary of State may have information c...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c601 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State will not intervene; he will ask Monitor to consider deauthorisation. The key ...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 11. I shall also...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c604 (Link to this contribution) That this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 11 and do propose Amendments 11A to 11G...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c604 (Link to this contribution) I have spoken to these amendments with Amendment 1. Motion agreed. House resumed. Motion on Amend...

Earl Howe | 714 c589 (Link to this contribution) 1A: Leave out lines 99 to 118

Earl Howe | 714 c589-92 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 1A, as an amendment to Commons Amendment 1. It is perhaps underst...

Baroness Murphy | 714 c592-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak Commons Amendment 1 and Amendment 1A tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe. ...

Lord Warner | 714 c594-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it might help the House if I say a few words as the Minister who took the 2003 Bill throug...

Baroness Barker | 714 c595 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall follow on from the last point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, about times...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 714 c595 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in favour of the Commons amendments; I believe that they will provide more reassur...

Baroness Meacher | 714 c596 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the comments of the noble Earl, Lord Howe. I have been involved in the National ...

Lord Patel | 714 c595-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I require clarification about the current provisions for Monitor’s authority to deauthoris...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c597-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no doubt that the noble Earl is right and that this is not the most satisfactory ...

Lord Crisp | 714 c596 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also speak with sympathy for the position that the noble Earl, Lord Howe is advocating. ...

Earl Howe | 714 c605 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to the Motion, leave out from "House" to end and insert "do disagree with the Common...

Lord Palmer | 714 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, should like to support the noble Earl in his impassioned speech, and particularly ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a little dilemma. I was present in Committee when the noble Lord, Lord Walton, was ...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 714 c607-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl is, as always, immensely persuasive, and there are very few occasions on wh...

Earl Howe | 714 c606-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in considering the amendments before us, we find ourselves in another somewhat unusual sit...

Lord Monson | 714 c612-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the Motion moved by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for three good reasons. The first...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 714 c611-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I see three issues that have come under consideration in this debate. I would not want to ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 714 c611 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may just comment briefly and not delay the House too long, the reason that we had thi...

Lord Naseby | 714 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having listened to a number of noble Lords speak on this amendment, I should like to say t...

Lord Patel | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased that we have an opportunity to accept this government amendment, which will b...

Lord Patel | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) It is an offence now not to use the technology that is—

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) It would be an offence.

Lord Patel | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) It is an offence now not to use available technology such as tokens and infrared signals, but it is ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c613 (Link to this contribution) But does the noble Lord accept that, in the event that members of the public took the decision to en...

Lord Naseby | 714 c614 (Link to this contribution) What was the sample size—200 out of the whole pub trade of 120,000 pubs?

Lord Crisp | 714 c613-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as one of those who proposed the original amendment with the noble Lord, Lord Walton, I am...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 714 c614-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish that the Government and other people would make up their mind. We have heard this a...

Lord Crisp | 714 c614 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that there could be more than one sample; I believe that the noble Lord has referred to an...

Baroness Barker | 714 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, throughout the deliberations on this Bill, as noble Lords who took part in all of them may...

Lord Naseby | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) This is an important point. The Minister knows as well as I do that the Department of Health’s recen...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c618 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are giving businesses time to deal with the fact that these regulations will be in plac...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 714 c618 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend, but if the matter is so serious, and if so much damage is being do...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear from today’s debate that protecting young people from harm caused by tobacco i...

Lord Rea | 714 c617 (Link to this contribution) That is a point that other people will probably not agree with, as I do not. One thing that we have...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 714 c617 (Link to this contribution) Precisely the same argument can be applied to the banning of vending machines—it will produce a new ...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) I do not know the answer to that question and I will certainly let the noble Lord know, but in consi...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) Since the industry believes that a lot of people will go out of business, is it the Government’s int...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have consulted consistently with the National Association of Cigarette Machine Operator...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) I have no idea whether people are aware of that. I certainly was aware that this technology had been...

Baroness Golding | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) Would the people in the other House, or people in general, be aware that trading standards have endo...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) I stand corrected by my noble friend and thank him.

Lord Howie of Troon | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) Might I draw my noble friend’s attention to a procedural matter, to which she referred earlier? She ...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) Can I make some progress? My noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours referred to the technology and the e...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) Would my noble friend—

Baroness Thornton | 714 c620 (Link to this contribution) I can see why my noble friend is pushing that point but, as I said, it would be very difficult for a...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 714 c619 (Link to this contribution) On that matter—I want to press this—the issue is whether during the course of the debate—my noble fr...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 714 c621 (Link to this contribution) It is not a summary ban, because it is always recognised by those of us who support the ban, first, ...

Earl Howe | 714 c620-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a good debate and I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part. We h...

Baroness Meacher | 714 c626-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 14A, which seeks to build upon Amendment 14, moved in the other plac...

Baroness Meacher | 714 c626 (Link to this contribution) Amendment to the Motion As an amendment to the motion that this House do agree with the Commons in ...

Baroness Thornton | 714 c640 (Link to this contribution) That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 16.

Baroness Thornton | 714 c604 (Link to this contribution) That this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments 2 to 10. That this House do agree wit...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 714 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not intend to speak in this debate, but I am afraid that I am torn between two oppos...

Lord Rea | 714 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend says that tobacco should be banned, but he is mistaken if he thinks that t...

Subjects

Health services

NHS

Ophthalmic services

Mental health services

NHS foundation trusts

Private patients

Visual impairment

Standards

Sales

Young people

Regulation

Tobacco

Monitor

Vending machines

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Health Bill (HL) 2008-09

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