Policing and Crime Bill. Lords Report stage second day. New clauses (Amendments 36, 79, 79A, 96, 97ZA and 98) debated and withdrawn. New clause (Amendment 61) agreed. New clauses (Amendments 96ZA and 97) debated and disagreed on division (46 votes to 68, and 45 votes to 57). Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 79 2008-09).
Policing and Crime Bill
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714 c426-500
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2008-09
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Report stage
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Lord West of Spithead | 714 c453 (Link to this contribution)
57: Clause 32, page 29, line 29, leave out from beginning to "for" in line 30 and insert—
"(1) Secti...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c454 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, thank you.
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Lord West of Spithead | 714 c453-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 57 and 58 would allow the police to take a young person home or to a place of s...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c454 (Link to this contribution)
58: Clause 32, page 29, line 31, at end insert—
"(3) After subsection (4) insert—
"(4A) A constable ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c454 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lady Walmsley, who moved our amendments in Committee, will be particularly...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c454-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall take Amendments 59, 61, 63, 65 and 105 to 127 together. Amendment 61 inserts a new...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c454 (Link to this contribution)
59: Clause 33, page 29, line 33, leave out "general" and insert "mandatory"
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c455 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, our Amendment 62 is in this group. It returns us to minimum pricing or some other way of e...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 714 c444-5 (Link to this contribution)
In moving Amendment 36 and speaking to Amendments 37, 43 and 54, I shall no doubt also refer to othe...
Baroness Gale | 714 c446 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Gould, and am pleased to support Amendments 36, 37, 43, 53 ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 714 c446 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have been very well briefed indeed, not only by the noble Baroness, Lady Gould, but by ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c442-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister particularly for the last paragraph of his remarks. The offer of an a...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c443 (Link to this contribution)
29: Schedule 1, page 137, line 22, after "practicable" insert "and in any event before the end of th...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c443 (Link to this contribution)
34: Schedule 2, page 142, line 43, leave out "two" and insert "three"
35: Schedule 2, page 143, li...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 714 c443 (Link to this contribution)
36: Before Clause 27, insert the following new Clause—
"Control of sex establishments: local authori...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 714 c446-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope this speech will not be a self-indulgent meander down memory lane, but the Bill and...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c447 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I pay tribute to the noble Baroness, Lady Gould, for all her hard work on this issue. Norm...
Baroness Wilkins | 714 c447 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also support these amendments. We have had considerable correspondence supporting them a...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c452-3 (Link to this contribution)
47: Clause 27, page 26, line 37, leave out "sex encounter venues" and insert "sexual entertainment v...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c453 (Link to this contribution)
55: Clause 28, leave out Clause 28
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c452 (Link to this contribution)
44: Clause 27, page 26, line 5, leave out "sex encounter venue" and insert "sexual entertainment ven...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 714 c451-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank everybody who has spoken today, and also the many noble Lords who cannot be here b...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c452 (Link to this contribution)
38: Clause 27, page 24, line 24, leave out "sex encounter venue" and insert "sexual entertainment ve...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c447-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have three amendments in this group, relating specifically to the transitional arrangeme...
Lord Brett | 714 c449-51 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this debate and note the strength of feel...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c453 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment would remove Clause 28 from the Bill. That clause increases the maximum fine...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c426 (Link to this contribution)
26: Clause 177, page 122, line 41, at end insert—
"( ) section (Damages-based agreements relating to...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c426-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to get to an amendment that I can move. This amendment takes us back to t...
Baroness Stern | 714 c427-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I added my name to this amendment, and I am very happy to support the noble Baroness, Lady...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 714 c428-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment and I stand with the words of the noble and learned Baroness, Lad...
Lord Desai | 714 c429 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to say a brief word in support of the amendment. It seems perverse that, on the one...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 714 c429 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also support the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Miller. Like my noble...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c430 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand entirely the concerns of the noble Baronesses, Lady Miller, Lady Stern and La...
Lord Brett | 714 c431-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we begin our debates today with Amendment 26, which addresses an extremely important issue...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c433 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank everyone who has spoken in the debate. I am glad to see the noble Baroness, Lady G...
Earl of Listowel | 714 c430-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if there were more social workers making the sort of interventions in families that my nob...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c436-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, has raised some important questions with this group of am...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c435 (Link to this contribution)
27: Clause 16, leave out Clause 16
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c435-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 27, 28 and 30 to 33 all question whether the clauses dealing with prostitution ...
Lord Brett | 714 c439-42 (Link to this contribution)
I will take note of that question, if I may, and hope to return to it courtesy of the Box before we ...
Lord Brett | 714 c437-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all those who have taken part in this short debate. I particularly appreciate the ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c439 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but he has prompted a thought: when was the last tim...
Lord Rosser | 714 c455-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my Amendment 64 is in this group. I wish to raise concerns that have been expressed by the...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c456-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is no question that the current licensing regime is insufficient to regulate alcohol...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c458-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 60 and 66 would remove Clause 33 and Schedule 4, which contain provisions about...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c460 (Link to this contribution)
63: Schedule 4, page 154, line 26, leave out paragraph 3
Amendment 63 agreed.
Amendment 64 not mov...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c460 (Link to this contribution)
65: Schedule 4, page 157, line 29, leave out paragraph 6
Amendment 65 agreed.
Amendment 66 not mov...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c460 (Link to this contribution)
67: Clause 34, page 30, line 5, leave out "for either or both of the following purposes"
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c460 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we move to the provisions for injunctions to be imposed on people who may be part of a gan...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c465 (Link to this contribution)
The Government have acknowledged the importance of a review of the provisions in this part of the Bi...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c464-5 (Link to this contribution)
70: Clause 36, page 31, line 8, leave out subsection (2) and insert—
"(2) The injunction may not inc...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c465 (Link to this contribution)
79: After Clause 49, insert the following new Clause—
"Duration of sections 34 to 49
(1) Except so f...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c463-4 (Link to this contribution)
Although there are three distinct groups on the Marshalled List, it has been helpful to hear the Gov...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 714 c461 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments. Clearly we have growing concerns about anti-social behaviour and...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c461-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a number of amendments have been proposed to Part 4 on gang injunctions. Before I turn to ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c461 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I seem to have spent most of the afternoon arguing against the miscellaneous points made b...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c465 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rather thought that Amendment 79 was grouped with the previous amendments. Therefore, I ...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c466 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, for explaining to me in more detail what exactly he...
Lord Bradshaw | 714 c466-7 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 79A withdrawn.
Amendment 79B not moved.
Clause 5...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c467 (Link to this contribution)
96: Before Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—
"Information requirements
(1) The Extradition...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c465 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to await Third Reading. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 79 withdrawn....
Lord Bradshaw | 714 c465 (Link to this contribution)
79A: After Clause 50, insert the following new Clause—
"Confiscation orders by magistrates’ courts
T...
Lord Bradshaw | 714 c466 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we need not delay ourselves here very long, because I believe that the Government have mor...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c465 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that some of us are working off a reissue of the groupings list; I thought that th...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 714 c472 (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the noble Lord says but I ask him to have a care. He knows that that is a recitation; it...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c469-72 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments of the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Jones. I am grateful to the n...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c467-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments relate to the evidentiary standards in extradition cases. In her letters ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c473 (Link to this contribution)
It was seven years, and I was involved in the case.
Lord Goldsmith | 714 c472-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is strong sense of deja vu about this debate. It is none the worse for that, but man...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c472 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am taking the utmost care. It is the noble and learned Baroness who has come out with tw...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c473 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the noble and learned Lord again, but does he accept that the information is...
Lord Goldsmith | 714 c473 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that the noble Lord was involved, and I apologise because I had not realised that the proc...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 714 c474-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble and learned friend Lord Goldsmith for his comments on the amendment. I as...
Lord Goldsmith | 714 c474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord will know—I hope that I have made this clear—that what is apparent from the...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 714 c476 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was simply inviting the noble Lord to early consideration of his position, particularly ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c475 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, let me clarify my situation. My amendment is listed separately and I intend to address you...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c476 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that clarification on what constitutes information. That is reass...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c476-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I heard the explanation given by the Attorney-General. I have no reason whatever to doubt ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c479 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can be brief. The noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, has spoken at length on this issu...
Lord Goldsmith | 714 c479 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord and I may be among the few Members of this House who have this work on our ...
Lord Bradshaw | 714 c483 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we now move from the esoteric to the somewhat mundane, although it will perhaps be more wi...
Lord Bradshaw | 714 c483 (Link to this contribution)
96A: Clause 78, page 97, line 27, leave out from first "police" to end of line 28 and insert "respon...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c481-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am entirely familiar with international crime: how it moves across boundaries, how the E...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 714 c479-81 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I commend the noble Baroness on the view she has taken on not pursuing the amendments in r...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 714 c484 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the three noble Lords who have spoken in this very short debate, whi...
Lord Berkeley | 714 c484 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we discussed this issue in some detail in Committee, and I was not that satisfied with the...
Lord Skelmersdale | 714 c484 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad that the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, has approached the amendment in the way that...
Lord Cope of Berkeley | 714 c496 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, like the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, was concerned about this clause in Committee and ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c496 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a question to ask the Minister before those on the Benches beside me reply. I trave...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c496 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister sent your Lordships’ House a helpful letter on the subject, which we, like my...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c492-3 (Link to this contribution)
97ZA: After Clause 96, insert the following new Clause—
"Police retention of photographs
"(1) The Se...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c493 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a moment ago the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Lincoln referred to the erosion of p...
Lord Brett | 714 c493 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I fully understand the noble Baroness’s concern about the retention of photographs and I w...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c493-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and look forward to further guidance on the taking and ...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 714 c494 (Link to this contribution)
97A: Clause 97, page 122, line 26, at end insert—
"( ) The requirement to produce a passport under s...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 714 c494-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister and his Bill team for the meeting which they organised ...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c499-500 (Link to this contribution)
101: Schedule 7, page 173, line 12, leave out "Sex encounter venues" and insert "Sexual entertainmen...
Lord Brett | 714 c500 (Link to this contribution)
128: Schedule 7, page 193, line 7, at end insert—
"Part 8A
Extradition
113A In section 185(5) of the...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 714 c497 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. I take the points that he has made. I have made mine. I beg leave to withdraw ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c497 (Link to this contribution)
98: After Clause 110, insert the following new Clause—
"Exemption from civil proceedings for trespas...
Lord Brett | 714 c496-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords who have participated in this short debate, which has persuaded me perhaps that ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c498-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful. This was raised on the last occasion at 11 o’clock at night, and now again ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c498 (Link to this contribution)
In the debate on 20 October, I promised to bring this issue back in order for the Minister to have t...
Lord Brett | 714 c498 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill, for raising this issue in Committee. On...
Lord Brett | 714 c500 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 128 and 129 are minor and technical amendments that correct a typographical err...
Lord Bradshaw | 714 c484-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his remarks and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 96A withd...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c489 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we support this amendment. We believe that the Scottish model provides a good starting poi...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c487-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know whether the noble Baroness is aware that her amendment has the indirect supp...
Lord Brett | 714 c489-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will try to be brief in addressing the issues, given that we have less than 45 minutes t...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c486-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment concerns the National DNA Database. In Committee, in response to considerab...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c485-6 (Link to this contribution)
97: Before Clause 80, insert the following new Clause—
"Retention of voluntary samples
(1) After sec...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c491 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Government should not have been surprised by the Marper judgment. The system prevailin...
Lord Brett | 714 c491 (Link to this contribution)
I undertake to take that request back to my colleagues in the Home Office. We are not in a position ...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 714 c429 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support the amendment. Had I written a speech, most of what I would have said has already be...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 714 c437 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, in these amendments. If I am realistic, I am no...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c476 (Link to this contribution)
96ZA: Before Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—
"Restriction on extradition in cases where ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c491 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord sits down, on the last point, could he at least undertake to provide the commi...
Lord Brett | 714 c500 (Link to this contribution)
129: Clause 115, page 133, line 4, after "98" insert "and Part 9 of Schedule 8 (and section 111(2) s...
Bishop of Lincoln | 714 c489 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wonder whether noble Lords would permit me to locate this debate within a wider debate. ...
Lord West of Spithead | 714 c459-60 (Link to this contribution)
61: After Clause 33, insert the following new Clause—
"Individual members of licensing authorities t...
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