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Coroners and Justice Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 23 March 2009, in the House of Commons.
Coroners and Justice Bill. Programme motion (No. 3) on proceedings on Report and Third reading. Debated and agreed to on division (268 votes to 220). Report stage. New clause 14, discussed with new clauses 15 and 16, debated and withdrawn. Amendment 2 debated and negatived on division (229 votes to 263). Other amendments made. New clauses 33 to 35 added to the Bill. New clause 36, discussed with new clauses 1 to 4, 20, 32 and 41, added to the Bill. Bill to be further considered 24 March 2009. [Relevant Documents: The Second Report from the Justice Committee, Session 2008-09, The Coroners and Justice Bill, HC 185, and the Government's response, HC 322, and the Eighth Report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights, Session 2008-09, Legislative Scrutiny: Coroners and Justice Bill, HC 362.]
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490 c52-140 
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2008-09
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Ministry of Justice
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Report stage
Procedure
Programme motions
New clauses
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House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Angus Robertson | 490 c129-30 (Link to this contribution) It is very unfortunate that on a day of good news, Labour Members from Scotland heckle on such an im...
Angus Robertson | 490 c129 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman had the chance to make a speech, but he decided not to do so. In Scotland ...

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Bridget Prentice | 490 c136 (Link to this contribution) New clause 36 fulfils a commitment that I gave in Committee to consider how the provisions in respec...
Speaker | 490 c133 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: new clause 1—Inquests into the death of a ...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c133 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Bridget Prentice | 490 c130-1 (Link to this contribution) I was going to come to that in my response to my hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen, North (Mr. Dor...
Lord Beith | 490 c130 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify what will happen in cases in which a single incident gives rise to the dea...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c130 (Link to this contribution) I shall take the views of the hon. Member for Salisbury (Robert Key) to heart, and shall not make an...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c136 (Link to this contribution) The answer to that question is yes. I commend the new clause and the amendments to the House.
Lord Bellingham | 490 c136 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for listening to what we said in Committee. She said at the time that ...
Speaker | 490 c139 (Link to this contribution) That is not a matter for the Chair. These matters are arranged through the usual channels. However, ...
Lord Bellingham | 490 c136 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister rightly pointed out, we are talking about a commitment that she gave in Committee. W...
Speaker | 490 c140 (Link to this contribution) The programme motion was decided earlier this afternoon. I am bound by the decision of the House and...
Evan Harris | 490 c139-40 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Tonight we have conducted inadequate scrutiny of the Bill. There a...
Speaker | 490 c140 (Link to this contribution) The matter has been put on the record and I must leave it at that.
Simon Hughes | 490 c140 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. Knowing that the Secretary of State for Justice is on t...
Jack Straw | 490 c115 (Link to this contribution) Hansard will show something different. The hon. and learned Gentleman also said that, when necessar...
David Howarth | 490 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) The whole debate has been dominated by two things. One is public confidence in the verdicts of inque...
David Howarth | 490 c117 (Link to this contribution) All experience shows that it is the latter. It would be up to the Secretary of State to decide that ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 490 c116-7 (Link to this contribution) On the question of relations with other countries, what does the hon. Gentleman think would be the d...
David Howarth | 490 c116 (Link to this contribution) I could not think of one either. We briefly discussed vetting juries in Committee, but the Governmen...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c116 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may have shared my experience, but I was trying to rack my brains to think of ins...
Pete Wishart | 490 c126 (Link to this contribution) Is there any reason why Scottish families cannot secure a fatal accident inquiry in Scotland for Arm...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c125 (Link to this contribution) The new clauses respond to the calls from service families in Scotland, as well as Members of the Ho...
Speaker | 490 c125 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 34—Death of service...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c125 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Bridget Prentice | 490 c126 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. There has been that anomaly because there are no inques...
Adam Ingram | 490 c126 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her kind reference to me and the effort I have put into this matter. When...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c126 (Link to this contribution) Again, my right hon. Friend makes an important point, and he has been campaigning on this issue for ...
Frank Doran | 490 c127 (Link to this contribution) I welcome these important new clauses, and I congratulate the Minister on achieving agreement with t...
Lord Bellingham | 490 c126-7 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for her succinct and clear explanation of the new clause. As she ...
Angus Robertson | 490 c128 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support Government new clauses 33, 34 and 35. Today is a good day for service families. I...
Jenny Willott | 490 c127-8 (Link to this contribution) I should like to put on record the fact that the Liberal Democrats welcome these changes, given that...
Angus Robertson | 490 c128 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has been a doughty campaigner in support of the Collinson family. The Bill not only a...
Pete Wishart | 490 c128 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that I am the constituency MP for Jim and Yvonne Collinson, the parents of ...
Adam Ingram | 490 c129 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Bridget Prentice | 490 c61 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, as I want us to get on to the substance of the Bill. If the Opposition could ex...
David Howarth | 490 c66 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Bridget Prentice | 490 c60-1 (Link to this contribution) No, because I want us to get on to the main substance of the debate. Let me address a couple of poi...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c60 (Link to this contribution) I have heard a lot of nonsense spoken in this House on many an occasion, but not quite as much as I ...
Philip Davies | 490 c60 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely right, and he was entirely right when he said in an earlier intervention ...
Lord Cormack | 490 c59-60 (Link to this contribution) Is not a bad situation made worse by the fact that debate on the timetable motion is taken out of th...
Philip Davies | 490 c59 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is either incompetence on the Government's part, or a deliber...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 490 c59 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a very good case. That is exactly the point: our constituents expect us to ...
Philip Davies | 490 c58-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to delay the House for long, but I want to express my support for what has been said...
David Howarth | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I agree with that, although I suppose that the Government might argue that those are national s...
Richard Shepherd | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) Is clause 11 not almost lifted from the Official Secrets Act, and does that not tell us a lot about ...
David Howarth | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is probably right. One can always tell quite a lot about legislation by the templ...
David Heath | 490 c68-9 (Link to this contribution) Has my hon. Friend received any satisfactory explanation from the Lord Chancellor, or indeed anyone ...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) May I suggest to the hon. Gentleman the kind of embarrassment that the Government have in mind? A vi...
David Howarth | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right; the second ground, as a free-standing ground, cannot have anything to do wi...
Speaker | 490 c66 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 15—Discontinuation or variance...
Lord Deben | 490 c68 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that a crucial part of this issue is that juries can be a flipping...
David Howarth | 490 c67-8 (Link to this contribution) We now turn, at last, to the issue of inquests without a jury. I use that term advisedly, because th...
David Howarth | 490 c54 (Link to this contribution) I do not think this is a shameful programme motion, but I do think there is a serious problem with i...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c54 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the programme motion demonstrates a strange order of priorities b...
Philip Davies | 490 c53 (Link to this contribution) As ever, my hon. and learned Friend is making a powerful case. Does he agree that the subject of ass...
Lord Garnier | 490 c54 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. Each of those subjects—for example, the reform of the law of h...
David Howarth | 490 c54 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree. I have tabled the lead new clauses in the groups on murder and on homophobic hat...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c55 (Link to this contribution) Not for the first time, I rise to oppose a timetable motion. I strongly object to the timetabling of...
Lord Garnier | 490 c53 (Link to this contribution) I have absolutely no idea whether that is the case, but it is a wholly improper constriction of the ...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c53 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. and learned Friend agree that many of us suspect that the insertion of the statement wa...
Bridget Prentice | 490 c52 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the Order of 26 January 2009 (Coroners and Justice Bill (Programme)), as varied ...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c56 (Link to this contribution) I agree and I find it impossible when I go to schools and other places to explain why it is that who...
Evan Harris | 490 c56-7 (Link to this contribution) I have an obvious interest in the programme motion because I have new clauses in one of the later gr...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c57 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman will be cautious about negotiation, because the implication is that i...
Evan Harris | 490 c57-8 (Link to this contribution) Politics is the art of the possible, and regardless of how much trust Back Benchers have in Front Be...
Richard Shepherd | 490 c58 (Link to this contribution) The House knows that this is a compendium Bill and that it touches on fundamental issues that affect...
Lord Garnier | 490 c55 (Link to this contribution) It is not just that people in the House want to discuss new clause 42; the public outside the House ...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c55-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. and learned Friend makes an important point. Consent for legislation depends on a belief tha...
Lord Cormack | 490 c56 (Link to this contribution) Does this not serve to bring this House into disrepute in the eyes of our constituents, who feel tha...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c56 (Link to this contribution) I do not know about the nationalist Whip, but I know that other parties have an extraordinarily ligh...
David Heath | 490 c79 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Lord Chancellor overstates a judge's latitude for determination in this matter....
Jack Straw | 490 c78-9 (Link to this contribution) With great respect, I have not even finished my sentence. Their position is very different from that...
Jack Straw | 490 c79 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman is misreading it. The judge has to decide that it is necessary to ho...
Lord Deben | 490 c80 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State's defence would be easier to follow if he had not turned through 180 degrees....
Jack Straw | 490 c79 (Link to this contribution) I understand my hon. Friend's point, but I would just say this: it will be for the Secretary of Stat...
Jack Straw | 490 c78 (Link to this contribution) I simply disagree with the hon. and learned Gentleman. It is of note to the House that the position ...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c78 (Link to this contribution) The problem with the planned system is that once it is on the statute book, it will be used far more...
Jack Straw | 490 c81 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the right hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Mr. Hogg), foll...
Jack Straw | 490 c80-1 (Link to this contribution) Public interest immunity is used in inquests, and the process worked successfully in the de Menezes ...
Jack Straw | 490 c80 (Link to this contribution) My point about the measures before us being light years away related to the Counter-Terrorism Bill, ...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c80 (Link to this contribution) I asked my right hon. Friend about the case of McCaughey in Northern Ireland.
Jack Straw | 490 c80 (Link to this contribution) In the light of the overall changes being made, there will be a far greater opportunity for appeals ...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c80 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right when he says that article 2 does not require a jury, but it is fair to...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c72 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will recollect that the Government's current position is that they are working to...
David Howarth | 490 c72 (Link to this contribution) That is entirely correct. I do not understand why the Government see this as the thin end of the wed...
Jack Straw | 490 c74 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The whole purpose of the Bill's provisions on coroners is to strengthen and improve how ...
James Gray | 490 c74 (Link to this contribution) On the question of military inquests, the curiosity of the right hon. Gentleman's proposed changes i...
Jack Straw | 490 c74-5 (Link to this contribution) There is not a good reason in respect of the inquests to which the hon. Gentleman has referred. I s...
Mark Fisher | 490 c75 (Link to this contribution) Was not the case to which the hon. Member for Meirionnydd Nant Conwy (Mr. Llwyd) referred, which cam...
Mike Hancock | 490 c72 (Link to this contribution) May I return to the issue of the family and the protected information? Can my hon. Friend conceive o...
David Howarth | 490 c73 (Link to this contribution) The Government seem to think there is some way in which the family could understand the whole case e...
Jack Straw | 490 c73 (Link to this contribution) It may assist the House if I try to respond to the points made by the hon. Member for Cambridge (Dav...
Joan Humble | 490 c74 (Link to this contribution) Has my right hon. Friend looked at the comments made by the Royal British Legion in respect of the f...
Jack Straw | 490 c75 (Link to this contribution) I shall explain that in a moment. The decision will not be made by the Secretary of State; we are st...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c75 (Link to this contribution) Unlike my party's Front Benchers, I am prepared to accept that there are a number of cases for which...
Jack Straw | 490 c78 (Link to this contribution) The hon. and learned Gentleman has made an interesting choice. I commend him for doing so, but it is...
Jack Straw | 490 c77 (Link to this contribution) What the hon. and learned Gentleman suggests is likely to be so in the vast majority of cases. I ant...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c78 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if the Secretary of State is correct about this. The reason for having an inquest—one of th...
Jack Straw | 490 c76-7 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that the hon. Gentleman is making. One could argue that those decisions shoul...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c77 (Link to this contribution) I have always appreciated that this is a difficult issue for the Government. The right hon. Gentlema...
Jack Straw | 490 c75-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for his acknowledgement that there is a proble...
David Howarth | 490 c76 (Link to this contribution) To the extent that the right hon. Gentleman is right, that still does not explain why the other crit...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) I take the view, on reading the clause, that the application must be intended to be much wider than ...
David Howarth | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) That is correct. It is of course possible that what is envisaged is not so much the rather more sham...
David Howarth | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman gets to the heart of the reality of the special relationship. There are later ame...
Rob Marris | 490 c70 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way; he is being very generous. I say this as a citiz...
David Howarth | 490 c70 (Link to this contribution) The central point is that national security is taken as a separate ground; it is the first ground. S...
Rob Marris | 490 c70 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman saying that the two words in the new clause—"national security"—encompass the ...
David Howarth | 490 c70 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman is referring to new clause 14, the answer is no; in the new clause, "national ...
David Howarth | 490 c70 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right: the complaints about the system do not, in this case, come from the coroner...
Paul Keetch | 490 c70 (Link to this contribution) So far as I am aware, no coroners involved in certain military operations have made complaints about...
Mike Hancock | 490 c70 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has said more than once that he agrees that there are occasions when, for national se...
David Howarth | 490 c71 (Link to this contribution) That is entirely possible. There is interesting speculation, let us say, about the origin of the sub...
John McDonnell | 490 c71 (Link to this contribution) Under the existing system there is already the opportunity for the coroner to take into account issu...
Elfyn Llwyd | 490 c71 (Link to this contribution) May I take the hon. Gentleman back to what he said about friendly fire? Was there not a rather famou...
David Howarth | 490 c71-2 (Link to this contribution) The trouble with that is that in many cases the protected material seems to be implicated in everyth...
Lord Bellingham | 490 c72 (Link to this contribution) I take the hon. Gentleman back to the Azelle Rodney case which, as he rightly pointed out, ground to...
David Howarth | 490 c71 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. Throughout the passage of the Bill I have been trying to pin the Governmen...
Jack Straw | 490 c71 (Link to this contribution) In my remarks I will deal with the jury issue, which is central. To reassure the hon. Gentleman in r...
David Howarth | 490 c72 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the hon. Gentleman is correct. The whole issue could be resolved by generalising the ...
Jack Straw | 490 c88 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is arguing about what was in the Bill, not what the Government are now proposing. Giv...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c88 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right about that, but there is still the question of how the judge may decid...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c87-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. In fact, I have tabled some amendments to clause 5, so perh...
Jack Straw | 490 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is arguing, in a slightly convoluted way, against going down the inquiry route propos...
Mark Durkan | 490 c86 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. and learned Gentleman recognise that not all of us are as confident as he is that the ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 490 c87 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend explain the need for clause 5(2), which, to avoid doubt, says:""subsection (1)(b)...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) It is fair to say that the Government have been listening. The concessions that they have made are w...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c86 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes some important points about other provisions in the Bill, which I was not g...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c90 (Link to this contribution) There is considerable merit in what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but what it amounts to is that, if...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, article 2 does not require a jury. The only basis on which one could argue that a ju...
Lord Howard of Lympne | 490 c91-2 (Link to this contribution) It is not my primary intention to address the main question that has occupied the House so far in th...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c89 (Link to this contribution) I am not arguing for the Opposition's case; I am arguing for my own case. I think that my right hon....
Andrew Dismore | 490 c89 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry—I do not want to get into a legal argument with my right hon. Friend. I am happy to engag...
Jack Straw | 490 c89 (Link to this contribution) There is no need for the families judicially to review the certificate of the Secretary of State, be...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c90 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. There is a little twist to the cost issue, and that is the availability of ...
Rob Marris | 490 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) The term "judicial review" is being tossed around the Chamber here, there and everywhere. Does my ho...
Frank Dobson | 490 c94 (Link to this contribution) Ever since the underground fire in King's Cross station in my constituency in the 1980s, I have been...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c93 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend. Perhaps I did not choose my words as well as I sh...
Lord Howard of Lympne | 490 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. and learned Friend. I am afraid that much of the rest of what I have to sa...
Lord Howard of Lympne | 490 c92-3 (Link to this contribution) Whatever the answer to that conundrum, it seems to me that it should be specified on the face of the...
Rob Marris | 490 c92 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. and learned Gentleman agree that the phrasing in amendment 94, where it says""th...
Lord Howard of Lympne | 490 c92 (Link to this contribution) My hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right; I entirely and happily accept his correction. Perhap...
Lord Garnier | 490 c92 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to be picky, but I think it is probably the standard of proof rather than the burden o...
Lord Howard of Lympne | 490 c92 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. and learned Friend first.
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. First, I recognise that the Secretary of State has come a long way from his posit...
David Howarth | 490 c97 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. and learned Gentleman for at least being here now. The problem with his argum...
Frank Dobson | 490 c95 (Link to this contribution) That is all very well, but it would all be part of a process, which would begin, "Old reliable Jack,...
Jack Straw | 490 c95 (Link to this contribution) My point is a different one: as I said in answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismor...
Frank Dobson | 490 c96 (Link to this contribution) No, I am finishing. What could be more important than open explanation of a death? On such standard...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c96 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Frank Dobson | 490 c94 (Link to this contribution) More narrowly, I was challenging any Member of the House to identify a case in which a judge has dec...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c94 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that one of the most encouraging developments in jurisprudence ...
Frank Dobson | 490 c95 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend may have come up with one.
Jack Straw | 490 c82 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 120, to schedule 9, will amend the relevant Northern Ireland legislation, but I am certain...
Jack Straw | 490 c82 (Link to this contribution) There will be a special counsel to the inquest.
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 490 c82 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State spoke about the conditions under which special counsel would be appointed, an...
Jack Straw | 490 c81-2 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that. We are talking about exceptional and difficult cases in which there is materia...
Mark Fisher | 490 c81 (Link to this contribution) Like Opposition Members, I recognise that the Government have moved a long way on the matter, but th...
Jack Straw | 490 c81 (Link to this contribution) The court must be satisfied that it is necessary, which is a high test. It will be for the courts to...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c81 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly embarrassed because I seem to be the right hon. Gentleman's only friend in this place ...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c85-6 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with my right hon. Friend. We cannot escape the starting point and we should not tr...
Lord Deben | 490 c85 (Link to this contribution) Is not my hon. and learned Friend saying that, if the Government had started with a narrowly defined...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c84 (Link to this contribution) I fear that the Secretary of State is not listening to me develop my argument. From the moment I men...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c85 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, but we must be careful not to conflate two things. In circumstances...
William Cash | 490 c84-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. and learned Friend will be aware of the crisis in the Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c82-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for the time that he has spent at the Dispatch Box dealing w...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c83 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to disagree with my hon. and learned Friend, but High Court judges often have to rule on ...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c83-4 (Link to this contribution) I take my right hon. and learned Friend's point. Speaking as a lawyer and a barrister practising in ...
Jack Straw | 490 c84 (Link to this contribution) I am doing my best to follow the hon. and learned Gentleman, but he has got himself into a cul-de-sa...
Jack Straw | 490 c98 (Link to this contribution) Scots law has always been different. It was different before devolution, and it is different now. Th...
Andrew Mackinlay | 490 c98-9 (Link to this contribution) I did not need the Lord Chancellor to explain the constitutional arrangements to me. I fully underst...
Mark Durkan | 490 c100 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend not see some contradiction in the fact that only recently the House passed a Nor...
Andrew Mackinlay | 490 c100 (Link to this contribution) Of course, I wholeheartedly agree. In terms of the legislation that was so recently passed in this p...
James Gray | 490 c100-2 (Link to this contribution) I rise to make a brief contribution, particularly on the issue of military inquests, in which I have...
Jack Straw | 490 c102 (Link to this contribution) I understand the importance of the military inquests, particularly the case to which the hon. Gentle...
James Gray | 490 c102 (Link to this contribution) That is, of course, the case, and I made precisely that point a moment ago. The Lord Chancellor is p...
Viscount Hailsham | 490 c97 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair point. My amendment 51—this makes me very reluctant to vote against the Secretary of ...
James Gray | 490 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) I am surrounded by Queen's counsel and learned—I am probably the only non-learned gentleman in the H...
John McDonnell | 490 c103-4 (Link to this contribution) A number of hon. Members wish to speak and there is a lot of business to be got through, so I shall ...
James Gray | 490 c102 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will allow me, I shall continue for the moment. The risk involved is that the ...
Jack Straw | 490 c102 (Link to this contribution) These powers explicitly arise only where otherwise a jury inquest is required; they cannot be brough...
James Gray | 490 c107 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know that new clause 31, which I tabled but which has not been selected for ...
Neil Gerrard | 490 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that point. It is critical that we do not reach a situation where a f...
Elfyn Llwyd | 490 c104-6 (Link to this contribution) We have heard something very important from the hon. Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell...
Neil Gerrard | 490 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief, because I want just to raise a few issues about clause 11. There has already been ...
James Gray | 490 c102 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to accept the correction on the matter. The point I made a moment ago is that I know that...
David Kidney | 490 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree that these are serious issues. However, even the new clause recognises that there might be m...
David Heath | 490 c112 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman believe that the judge has the ability, under the terms of amendment 97, to ...
David Kidney | 490 c112 (Link to this contribution) The determination of protected matters is an Executive role, not a judicial one, though it may be su...
David Kidney | 490 c110-1 (Link to this contribution) In the Public Bill Committee, I made the same criticisms of the Government's original clause 11 that...
Jeremy Corbyn | 490 c111 (Link to this contribution) When this matter was discussed in Committee, what defence was given for the idea that we should have...
David Kidney | 490 c111 (Link to this contribution) I am not the Minister defending such proceedings. However, national security involves relations with...
Andrew Dismore | 490 c111 (Link to this contribution) The case that has been stalled has no international dimension whatsoever—it is about a straightforwa...
Richard Shepherd | 490 c108-10 (Link to this contribution) I want to follow on from the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Mr. Gerrard), the right hon. Member for Ho...
Richard Shepherd | 490 c110 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that it is "spin, spin". I do not accept that it is necessarily intended to ...
Jack Straw | 490 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) Because the Secretary of State may be concerned about the need to protect the information. However, ...
Dominic Grieve | 490 c115 (Link to this contribution) At the risk of repetition, I should make clear what I said earlier. I believe that, if one sticks to...
Jack Straw | 490 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. and learned Gentleman's point would be a good one if inquests were criminal proceedin...
Frank Dobson | 490 c114 (Link to this contribution) If there are other ways, why would the Secretary of State start the process in the first place?
Jack Straw | 490 c113 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I should like briefly to respond to the points raised in the debate bef...
Lord Howard of Lympne | 490 c113 (Link to this contribution) But surely the Secretary of State would accept that the provisions in RIPA predate the Chilcot commi...
David Kidney | 490 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has not been here all through the debate, and other speakers before myself ...
David Howarth | 490 c112 (Link to this contribution) The point that the hon. Gentleman made in Committee applied to national security, and I could follow...
David Kidney | 490 c112 (Link to this contribution) That brings us back to judicial review, I am afraid. That would be the answer to someone saying, "Th...
Speaker | 490 c52 (Link to this contribution) I must tell the House that Mr. Speaker has not selected the amendment.
Peter Bottomley | 490 c139 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. A number of Members of Parliament have been involved in inquests s...
John McDonnell | 490 c79 (Link to this contribution) The concerns that we have all expressed about there being an open door on this matter are similar to...
Andrew Mackinlay | 490 c69 (Link to this contribution) Is not the truth that there is a quid pro quo between the United Kingdom and some of its friends, pa...
Andrew Mackinlay | 490 c82 (Link to this contribution) I have given notice twice in the House that I wished to raise the question of the inclusion of North...
Andrew Mackinlay | 490 c97-8 (Link to this contribution) I rise primarily with the aim of interesting the House in my amendment. It would strike out schedule...
Oliver Letwin | 490 c112 (Link to this contribution) May I take the hon. Gentleman back to the point he made about judicial review? In the light of his a...
Robert Key | 490 c130 (Link to this contribution) May I say how warmly I welcome the arrangement that has been made by the Government and their accomm...
Lord Garnier | 490 c52-3 (Link to this contribution) The Under-Secretary charmingly and disarmingly introduced the motion, but I am afraid that it does n...
David Howarth | 490 c68 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that the conclusion that I have come to is that that is right. I will come back to that ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 490 c56 (Link to this contribution) In supporting the right hon. and learned Gentleman's argument, may I respectfully remind him that th...
David Howarth | 490 c70-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend should be clear that our new clause 14 never allows a jury to be excluded, no matter ...
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Children
Disclosure of information
Admissibility of evidence
Data protection
Crime prevention
Courts
Armed forces
Death
Coroners
Juries
Evidence
Judges
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Foreign relations
National security
Northern Ireland
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Parliamentary scrutiny
Public inquiries
Scotland
Standards
Terrorism
Witnesses
High Court
Legislation
Coroners and Justice Bill 2008-09
Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths Inquiry (Scotland) Act 1976
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