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2007-08

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European Union (Amendment) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 40-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 1...

Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 701 c821 (Link to this contribution) We come to Amendment No. 27, to be moved by the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke.

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Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c821 (Link to this contribution) I said as much in my opening remarks, although I live in a world where de facto may be what we face ...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c820-1 (Link to this contribution) The Minister gave the noble Lord and other members of the committee a counter-assertion, which was t...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 701 c821 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. No one was asserting that nothing had changed. We we...

Lord Roper | 701 c820 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord looks at the paragraph which quotes Mr Neil O’Brien and makes precisely that point...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c824 (Link to this contribution) I take grave exception to the noble Lord’s attitude to those who might have a different point of vie...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c824 (Link to this contribution) I refer the noble Lord to col. 551 of the Committee’s last sitting on the Bill.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c823 (Link to this contribution) If I may finish my point, I am attempting to accelerate. I was merely complimenting the noble Lord, ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c823 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord wishes to accelerate our proceedings, would it not be more reasonable to confine d...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) There is clearly no pleasing some Eurosceptic Members of your Lordships' House. It was for many year...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c822 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that I amuse the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, and his colleagues. To us this new clause in t...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c824 (Link to this contribution) I certainly do not wish to prolong this. I simply make a brief call for a larger grouping of the ame...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c824 (Link to this contribution) My name is added to this amendment, to which I shall speak briefly. I do not think that the noble Lo...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c825 (Link to this contribution) I will just say a brief word on this really rather astonishing debate, without seeking to impugn any...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c824 (Link to this contribution) Since my name is added to the amendment, I must say a few words in support of it. The reason why I s...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c826 (Link to this contribution) It might be, or it might not be—I think that the noble Baroness has just said that it would be for t...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c825-6 (Link to this contribution) I was smiling to myself when the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, said ““slagging off””, becaus...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c827-8 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend’s concerns on the definition of competences in this treaty. It is one of t...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c826-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28A: 28A: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article...

Lord Dykes | 701 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Williamson, once again for putting the whole matter in historical persp...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening to the Leader of the House and will take only two or three minutes. I want to ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c833 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is not going to agree with me on this, but he is right to say that you would have pow...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c833 (Link to this contribution) Does my noble friend remember that Mr Major said that 25 per cent of all EU legislation was going to...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c833 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness says that in the treaty there is the opportunity to get powers returned, but that...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c832-3 (Link to this contribution) I have never known the word competence to have had such an emotive response from the noble Lord. Com...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c832 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister help us a little by answering some questions? First, have any powers been returned ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart. I did not see him stand up; I was not trying to cut ...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c831 (Link to this contribution) That was the question I was asking the Minister. I appreciate what the noble Lord says; his interven...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c834-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29A: 29A: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c833-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for summing up the position as she sees it. There is an importan...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c833 (Link to this contribution) Those were two interventions on my speech, but I have finished anyway.

Lord Grenfell | 701 c841 (Link to this contribution) It might be helpful to the Committee if I quote from the report, because this has not been mentioned...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c840-1 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord, Lord Radice, has finished, I was hoping to hear from the Liberal Benches; I thoug...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c842-3 (Link to this contribution) A number of the amendments in this grouping relate specifically to the single market and the customs...

Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c841-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, for putting these amendments together into one block—a ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c838-40 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments generally, of course. I would like to underline a point made by the noble...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c837-8 (Link to this contribution) I support what my noble friend on the Front Bench has said. The Sarkozy amendment was widely seen as...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c840 (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Lord explain the point of going through the exercise? It is exactly the same questio...

Lord Radice | 701 c840 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to intervene in this debate but we have had very much one tone in it. I begin by con...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c843 (Link to this contribution) Would my noble friend agree with a point that I forgot to make in my recent brief intervention? The ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c865 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Duke does that, the Minister has not answered the question of how the Faroe Islands...

Duke of Montrose | 701 c865-6 (Link to this contribution) I will bring this to a conclusion. It has certainly been an interesting discussion around the Chambe...

Baroness Crawley | 701 c866 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House be resumed. In moving this Motion, I suggest that the Committee stage b...

Lord Bach | 701 c864-5 (Link to this contribution) What I was saying is that the CFP itself had improved in certain ways since the 2002 reform. I have ...

Lord Bach | 701 c862 (Link to this contribution) If I may carry on; the noble Lord has had his say, so perhaps he would sit still for a moment. The ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c862 (Link to this contribution) I—

Lord Bach | 701 c861-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. I remind the Committee that Amendment No...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c861 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good point but the Scottish fishermen could not care less under what policy it happen...

Lord Bach | 701 c863 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart, gave the answer to the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, because...

Duke of Montrose | 701 c863 (Link to this contribution) I wanted to come back on the point that the Minister was making before he had to give way. I underst...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c863 (Link to this contribution) On the same point, the Minister just said that we will have to make arrangements with other countrie...

Lord Bach | 701 c863-4 (Link to this contribution) My response is that, as I understand it, it will be done by ordinary legislative procedure—that is, ...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c864 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting, but the noble Lord said that since the Fisheries Council of 2002, the ...

Lord McNally | 701 c854 (Link to this contribution) How is it that the Conservatives voted differently in this House from how they voted in the other pl...

Lord Teverson | 701 c856-7 (Link to this contribution) I was somewhat bewildered at the speech of the noble Duke, the Duke of Montrose. The treaty states t...

Duke of Montrose | 701 c854-6 (Link to this contribution) This amendment opens up a subject that has caused a great deal of pain and confusion since the Unite...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c857-8 (Link to this contribution) I would like to intervene briefly, particularly following the speech of the noble Lord, Lord Teverso...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c858-9 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord might have to take that up with the Canadians, because I believe that th...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c859-60 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment. Perhaps I may add an interesting statistic to the figures given by th...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c860-1 (Link to this contribution) I am certainly no expert on fishing, but during the time that I have been involved in the issue of B...

Lord Teverson | 701 c861 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; I shall not intervene again. The whole point is that that episode had nothing to do with...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c861 (Link to this contribution) Can that be right? If the foreign boats had not been in our waters because we were controlling those...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c848-50 (Link to this contribution) I am just quoting what President Sarkozy said in the last speech I heard where he referred to this. ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c848 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the Minister: I do not want to detain her. I am reflecting on the words...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c854 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps my noble friend can help me. How can it be that the Liberal Democrats voted against an amend...

Duke of Montrose | 701 c854 (Link to this contribution) Is that not a question for the Liberal Democrats?

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c851-2 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I agree. I mentioned the noble Lord, Lord Grenfell, who has been meticulous in ensuring that we...

Duke of Montrose | 701 c853-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30: 30: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 2...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c850 (Link to this contribution) Happiness is relative. I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her response. I am particularly grate...

Baroness Quin | 701 c850-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord mentioned his concerns about the European Court of Justice, but surely the European C...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c850 (Link to this contribution) I am not moving that amendment.

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c850 (Link to this contribution) In which case I think I have covered all the amendments. I hope the noble Lord is happy.

Lord Dykes | 701 c845 (Link to this contribution) Speaking from memory, the Vince Cable amendment was accepted on its own by the Speaker of the Common...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 701 c845-6 (Link to this contribution) I promised the Lord President that I would be extremely brief. I am delighted that the speeches whic...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c846-7 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, for bringing together this group of ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c843 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord mentioned EDF, could he tell us what he thinks the prospects are for access to pro...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 701 c843-4 (Link to this contribution) I think it will happen slowly. We are benefiting. We had a debate on nuclear energy when many collea...

Lord Dykes | 701 c844-5 (Link to this contribution) I think we all agree that there has been substantial progress from the tone of the noble Lord, Lord ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c845 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, will he indicate whether—perhaps I missed this—he will support the ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c847-8 (Link to this contribution) The EU is not just about a free trade agreement, important though that is. From his perspective the ...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has spoken to a number of us to ask us to keep our speeches as short as we possib...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 701 c812 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the chairman of our committee for that statement, which I think puts the matte...

Lord Grenfell | 701 c811 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to intervene, but I feel I should come to the defence of the committee and, particularly,...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c811 (Link to this contribution) We had this debate the other evening, when the noble Baroness, Lady Symons, was attacking my noble f...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 701 c811 (Link to this contribution) There is a spectrum of views among members of the committee, from those who might be described as en...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c811 (Link to this contribution) I was waiting for the noble Lord to finish his point. Would he agree that, of the 24 members of your...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c810 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord. Can he help me with a problem? If nothing has changed and the ...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 701 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) I think it is clear that the purpose of this exercise was to clarify the matter beyond the sniping t...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 701 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) Lawyers have given their views about this matter, but what has not been made clear by the noble Lord...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 701 c808 (Link to this contribution) Just to assist clarification of the Opposition’s view, I ask whether the noble Lord is saying that t...

Lord Bach | 701 c805-7 (Link to this contribution) We had an excellent debate on defence issues during our previous Committee day. Amendment No. 25 rel...

Lord Lee of Trafford | 701 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Astor, takes such a negative view of permanent structured co-op...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 1...

Lord Astor of Hever | 701 c807 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Lee of Trafford, felt that I had taken a negative line. I thank...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c803 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Lord Astor of Hever | 701 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 1...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c817 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. My question is about the use of this phrase ““impugning the int...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c817-20 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that the noble will say that, but that committee represents the views of all the pol...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c817 (Link to this contribution) I was not trying to signal that to the noble Lord; I was seeking to see whether or not he had finish...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c820 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for her reply. Quite a lot in this brief debate has turned on the rema...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 701 c816 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may help the noble Lord. The answer given by the noble Lord, Lord Maclennan, was that many...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c816 (Link to this contribution) I am confused; no doubt the Minister will be able to help us in her response. Those who are arguing ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c816-7 (Link to this contribution) In response to the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, who knows a great deal about this matter, having been very...

Lord Campbell of Alloway | 701 c816 (Link to this contribution) After listening to the debate, I agree that the amendment serves a valuable purpose. We come full cy...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) It may be that the noble Lord, Lord Maclennan, and others favour this project of European integratio...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c814 (Link to this contribution) If you invent fairy stories and keep telling them, they acquire a life of their own; they go down as...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c814-5 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the fairy story that we need to think about is Little Red Riding Hood and the question that ...

Baroness Ludford | 701 c815 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord talked about confusion, but does he accept that one source of the confusion is assumi...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c815 (Link to this contribution) There is no misunderstanding. There are two models for developing our co-operation with Europe. The ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c815-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has given the Committee a wonderful description of one group that is charging ahead f...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c847 (Link to this contribution) This is one of the central planks in the economic debate about our relationship with Europe. Can the...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c823 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord bear in mind what the Leader of the House said about impugning integrity? If, as...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c843 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to endorse the comments of my noble friend.

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to obfuscate in any way, but I said a moment ago that the European Community, under pr...

Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) I recall that I made a declaration of interest when we began Committee, many years ago, it seems. We...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 701 c831 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I can help the noble Lord. With respect, the important question that he addresses i...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c863 (Link to this contribution) I merely wanted to repeat; does the Minister accept that when we joined the common fisheries policy ...

Lord Teverson | 701 c858 (Link to this contribution) That is easy to say, but I just point out that the Grand Banks off Newfoundland are still as barren ...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 701 c843 (Link to this contribution) This has been a very surprising debate. We have heard from the other Side about a world of economics...

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