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European Union (Amendment) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Monday, 3 March 2008, in the House of Commons.
European Union (Amendment) Bill. Committee stage ninth day. Amendment 39 negatived on division (189 votes to 291). Amendment 55 negatived on division (141 votes to 317). Clause 3 agreed to on division (326 votes to 148). Clause 4 agreed to on division (324 votes to 152). Clause 5 agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
472 c1472-561, (corrigendum) 1725-8 
Session
2007-08
Department
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
European Union (Amendment) Bill. (Explanatory note Bill 48-EN published).
Monday, 17 December 2007
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1480 (Link to this contribution) Well, it’s not my fault, is it?
Rob Marris | 472 c1480 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right that ““European Communities”” is different from ““Europ...

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Rob Marris | 472 c1480 (Link to this contribution) No, it is not; I agree with the right hon. Gentleman. I am referring to the clause heading on line 1...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1479 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend, and the reason why criminal justice and policing were treated intergove...
James Clappison | 472 c1479 (Link to this contribution) Is not the change of substance to the common area of justice and security that my right hon. Friend ...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1479-80 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend, and I remember voting for his very good amendment to the Bill that he m...
James Clappison | 472 c1477 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful case. In his long experience of European matters, is he aw...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1477-9 (Link to this contribution) I can directly relate this matter to the amendment, Sir Michael, because the amendments permitted un...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1477 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before the right hon. Gentleman responds, may I say to him that he is going wide of his quite...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1476 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to say that if the treaty is ratified, subsidiarity will be overtaken by the...
William Cash | 472 c1476 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend accept that the extension of exclusive or shared competences turns the who...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1475-6 (Link to this contribution) I judge treaties and constitutions by their substance and effect. It is now indisputable that the su...
Lord Deben | 472 c1475 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making the case that the use of the word ““Union”” and the change in termino...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1474-5 (Link to this contribution) No, that is not my argument. The so-called innocuous change from EC to EU is not simply a change of ...
Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 472 c1474 (Link to this contribution) I am genuinely trying to understand the right hon. Gentleman. Is he arguing that if we do not agree ...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1474 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. There has been a baffling series of name changes, all of them in the wr...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1473-4 (Link to this contribution) I am well aware of the narrowness of the amendment, Sir Michael, but I wish to put it in the context...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1473 (Link to this contribution) Order. The right hon. Gentleman is being tempted to extend his remarks rather more widely than the a...
Lord Lilley | 472 c1473 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has made an important point. Is he saying that the treaty, and clause 3 in part...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1472-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 39, in page 2, leave out lines 12 and 13 and insert—
William Cash | 472 c1473 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend may not have heard some remarks I made during the last debate about the mandate...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1473 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is spot on. This treaty does exactly the same as the constitutional treaty: it ...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) Okay, I will give way to the hon. Gentleman as I have not given way to him before.
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) We may have our differences about the virtues of the European Court of Justice, and I think that the...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) If a member state chooses not to participate in the defence agency or in the permanent structured co...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) I am going to explain it to the hon. Gentleman. The European Court of Justice has the responsibility...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a simple, last point—
Ed Davey | 472 c1540 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman say which part of defence policy he believes that the Court has jurisdiction...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1540 (Link to this contribution) I have explained how the Court of Justice already has jurisdiction over sanctions policy. It already...
Philip Davies | 472 c1542 (Link to this contribution) Clause 3 concerns changes of terminology. Is it not another example of how the European Union has ru...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1542 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and we know that there is a clear agenda behind the changes. Tho...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1542 (Link to this contribution) Do I really need to give way to the hon. Member for Preston (Mr. Hendrick) again? [Hon. Members: ““N...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) I invite the hon. Gentleman to read article 11, which says—I know it off by heart—that member states...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman want another go? I have flattened him once.
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) It would be significant if all 27 member states were members of the European Defence Agency, which w...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1541 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) No, they are not voluntary. [Interruption.]
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Member for Linlithgow and East Falkirk (Michael Connarty) knows how to make an inter...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right that there is no obligation to be part of a permanent structured co-oper...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) If a member state does not want to be part of that co-operation and any agreement of the European Un...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) I have never claimed that the article would be a means of deploying troops from a member state that ...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman believe that it would be reasonable for, for example, Luxembourg to be a mem...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1542 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is guilty of a partial reading of the treaty. The permanent structured co-operati...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1548-9 (Link to this contribution) Some time ago, when I moved that clause 3 should stand part of the Bill, I had not expected to have ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1549 (Link to this contribution) Was not the point made by the hon. Member for Linlithgow and East Falkirk (Michael Connarty) that th...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1547 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will recall that we are supposed to be debating clause 3 st...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1549 (Link to this contribution) If we have left the governance of an area of justice and home affairs, we have left it, and when dec...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) Order. We should be discussing clause 3 stand part, not the detail into which we are now going.
James Clappison | 472 c1545-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall oppose the clause standing part of the Bill. We have had more chance to debate this matter t...
Mark Francois | 472 c1546-7 (Link to this contribution) We heard quite a number of contributions from my right hon. and hon. Friends, but I hope that they w...
Roger Gale | 472 c1544-5 (Link to this contribution) I came into the Chamber earlier—it seems like quite a long time ago now—to make a brief contribution...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1550 (Link to this contribution) We strongly support permanent structured co-operation, whose genesis lies in a United Kingdom-French...
Mark Francois | 472 c1550 (Link to this contribution) Is it now the Government’s policy that if the Lisbon treaty is ratified, we should participate in pe...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1550-1 (Link to this contribution) That is just not the case at all. It is legitimate for the right hon. Gentleman to oppose the polici...
John Redwood | 472 c1550 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that the terminology is changing because there is a big further transfer of ...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1550 (Link to this contribution) In the interim there was a period of discussion, negotiation and agreement, confirming the participa...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1550 (Link to this contribution) Why did the right hon. Member for Neath (Mr. Hain) oppose permanent structured co-operation when it ...
John Redwood | 472 c1555 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister remind the House how the powers are being strengthened?
Jim Murphy | 472 c1554 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to rise in support of clause 4. It does not so much"““secure for the workers by hand ...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1555-6 (Link to this contribution) The powers of the European Parliament are being strengthened in a positive way. There are 40 extensi...
Ed Davey | 472 c1557-8 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrats totally support clause 4, mainly for a reason that the Conservatives have not ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1556-7 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend refers to the disgrace of the timing; we have five minutes left in which to deb...
John Redwood | 472 c1556 (Link to this contribution) Did my hon. Friend notice that when I asked the Minister to name a single one of the 40 powers being...
Mark Francois | 472 c1556 (Link to this contribution) To mirror the Minister, I am equally delighted to propose that clause 4 should be deleted from the B...
Iain Duncan Smith | 472 c1530-1 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to speak to this clause, but I shall do so as I was unable to speak in the earlie...
Mike Penning | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree with you more, Sir Michael, and it is such a shame that silly comments have come f...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1533 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way when I have put some specific quotes on to the record. The Committee’s report state...
Mark Francois | 472 c1533 (Link to this contribution) I shall not praise the Chairman of the European Scrutiny Committee, as I have on previous occasions,...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1534 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman. I know that, in trying to help me, he is trying to help the Committee. H...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1534 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is very generous. In my defence, the reason I did not ...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1534 (Link to this contribution) It is very interesting that the hon. Gentleman picked that example; we have looked at in great detai...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1528 (Link to this contribution) I have sat through a number of these debates. I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman—who has obviously ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is not a point of order for the Chair. The debate so far today has been conducted in a v...
Mike Penning | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to press on. [Interruption.] The answer is no, just as it is when it comes to the ref...
Mike Penning | 472 c1528-9 (Link to this contribution) What my constituents have raised with me is the question of why the Government promised them a refer...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Mike Penning | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) If hon. Members want to make speeches in this House, Sir Michael, they can catch your eye rather tha...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Sir Michael. Is it in order for a Member to call at length for a debate and the...
Mike Penning | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) I told the hon. Member that I would not give way. If he wants to speak, he can stand up and make a s...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1529 (Link to this contribution) Order. I realise that these issues arouse emotions, but I think it would be a good idea for us to de...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1539 (Link to this contribution) The point is that a member state that chooses to exclude itself from the permanent structured co-ope...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1539 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman admit that these voluntary arrangements from which people wish to withdraw m...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1539 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for your clarification, Sir Michael. In clause 3, the distinction between the Eu...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1539 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps I could say at this juncture that we are discussing clause 3 stand part; it might be ...
Iain Duncan Smith | 472 c1540 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend said previously, what this House constantly fails to realise, because it has never...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1540 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend, again, is exactly right.
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1539 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. I am fumbling in my treaties to try to find the relevant protocol relating to th...
Iain Duncan Smith | 472 c1540 (Link to this contribution) While my hon. Friend is busy with his documents, does he agree that we have been through this stuff ...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1540 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is exactly right. The conditions for taking part in structural co-operations a...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1535 (Link to this contribution) I think that the Foreign Affairs Committee concluded that any such amendment should be made by prima...
James Clappison | 472 c1534 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman seen the report of the Foreign Affairs Committee in which it found that the t...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1534 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to get into a dialogue.
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1536-9 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I hear my right hon. Friend saying that the treaty is near to being the constitution. It is wor...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1535-6 (Link to this contribution) I must first take issue with the hon. Member for Linlithgow and East Falkirk (Michael Connarty) abou...
Iain Duncan Smith | 472 c1536 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend and I have debated such issues together many times, so he will recall that the key to...
Philip Davies | 472 c1535 (Link to this contribution) I want to bring the hon. Gentleman back to the point that he made earlier. I could not quite follow ...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1535 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman did not follow what I was saying. I was referring to matters where qualified majo...
William Cash | 472 c1503 (Link to this contribution) Surely, if a mistake was made in the 1972 Act that was apparently not expected at the time, as I hav...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1503-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope, rather than expect, to reassure the hon. Gentleman that a much narrower, more clearly define...
Rob Marris | 472 c1504 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will have heard me remark that clause 3 would be better drafted if the word ““definit...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1504 (Link to this contribution) Of course, I will happily do so. My hon. Friend has paid assiduous attention to every twist and turn...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1504-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the support for my amendment expressed in several quarters, particularly by my hon...
William Cash | 472 c1509 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 55, page 2, line 14, leave out subsection (6).
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1509 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 56, page 2, line 14, leave...
William Cash | 472 c1509-10 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 55 concerns the way in which Acts of Parliament or statutory instruments made under Ac...
Stewart Hosie | 472 c1510 (Link to this contribution) In arguing that subsection (6) should be amended, is the hon. Gentleman not going through the same a...
William Cash | 472 c1510 (Link to this contribution) I do not wholly disagree with the hon. Gentleman, but the issue is different in respect of the arran...
Stewart Hosie | 472 c1512 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Mark Francois | 472 c1510-1 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 55 seeks to delete subsection (6) from clause 3. As we have seen from our discussion o...
William Cash | 472 c1512 (Link to this contribution) I want only to make reference to my hon. Friend’s point that my amendment would improve the Bill wit...
William Cash | 472 c1512 (Link to this contribution) There are those of us who believe that the German questionnaire is only part of the German question....
James Clappison | 472 c1513 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very important point, as always. Do the Government have any plans to publish...
Mark Francois | 472 c1512 (Link to this contribution) May I go on to make a point about amendment No. 56? Modestly, my hon. Friend mentioned amendment No....
James Clappison | 472 c1512 (Link to this contribution) I echo the opening remarks of my hon. Friend the Member for Stone (Mr. Cash). This does not seem to ...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1513 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted, and modestly surprised, to be responding to this debate so early in our proceedings,...
Stewart Hosie | 472 c1513 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is talking about changes to terminology and numbering. However, the argument in favour ...
Ed Davey | 472 c1523-4 (Link to this contribution) It has given me great pleasure to be able to support the hon. Member for Rayleigh (Mr. Francois) and...
Mark Francois | 472 c1523 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his help. I think that we have, by now, made the point that a large numb...
William Cash | 472 c1524 (Link to this contribution) The thing that is increasingly troubling me about the Liberals’ position on this is that, although t...
Stewart Hosie | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) There is no doubt that the treaty is basically the constitution. As we have heard over the past few ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman was here in the earlier debate, when my right hon. Friend the Member...
William Cash | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) I may be able to help my hon. Friend on that point, so will he be kind enough to give way?
Mark Francois | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) In that case, the hon. Gentleman will know that a list was given, and he can read it in Hansard if h...
William Cash | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) The point that the hon. Member for Dundee, East (Stewart Hosie) raised was answered by the Minister,...
Mike Penning | 472 c1528 (Link to this contribution) I shall not detain the Committee for long, but I want to say something about trust, which was mentio...
Lord Lilley | 472 c1527-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend anticipates my third reason for rejecting the clause—that it is open-ended. It gives ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 472 c1524 (Link to this contribution) Like so many others of his view, the hon. Gentleman constantly refers to Europe, rather than to the ...
Ed Davey | 472 c1524 (Link to this contribution) Well—[Hon. Members: ““Ah!””] Whether they abstained because they were not here or because they delib...
Mark Francois | 472 c1524 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman will correct me if I am wrong on this, but I believe that 13 Liberal ...
Ed Davey | 472 c1524 (Link to this contribution) That is quite extraordinary. The fact is that we all voted for the Bill on Second Reading. In my par...
Philip Davies | 472 c1527 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the best argument that the Liberal Democrats could seem to must...
Lord Lilley | 472 c1526-7 (Link to this contribution) There are three reasons why the clause should not be allowed to stand part of the Bill. The first re...
Douglas Carswell | 472 c1525-6 (Link to this contribution) I am arguing that clause 3 should not stand part of the Bill. I believe that, as my hon. Friend the ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1519 (Link to this contribution) With this we may discuss whether the schedule be the schedule to the Bill.
William Cash | 472 c1514-5 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister thinks that this is such a bad amendment, I think that he will recall what I said in...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1514 (Link to this contribution) This evening we have had the hon. Gentleman’s shortest speech and longest intervention. The provisi...
William Cash | 472 c1515-6 (Link to this contribution) I certainly will press the amendment to a Division, not least because, as the Minister just said, th...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1515 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and I have spent long enough together in this Chamber during the past few weeks f...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1514 (Link to this contribution) I will not be tempted to stray too far down that path, Mrs. Heal, because you would rightly prevent ...
James Clappison | 472 c1513 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell us what would be the legal position in the Communities under the provisions of...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1514 (Link to this contribution) Order. I appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s comments, but they are rather lengthy for an intervention. ...
William Cash | 472 c1514 (Link to this contribution) I said that there were aspects of the other debate that I did not want to replicate in this one, but...
Mark Francois | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) I am prepared to make a small wager that my hon. Friend will make a speech of his own in this stand ...
William Cash | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) Has my hon. Friend also noted that subsection (1) inserts a definition of the EU into section 1(2) o...
Mark Francois | 472 c1521 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a good point. He homes in on the issue of trust. The Government have brok...
Iain Duncan Smith | 472 c1521 (Link to this contribution) I listened with great interest to my right hon. Friend the Member for Wells (Mr. Heathcoat-Amory), w...
Mark Francois | 472 c1521 (Link to this contribution) That is possible if the Government put their response on two discs. If we assume that the Governmen...
Mark Francois | 472 c1521 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that the Government have had the German questionnaire for some considerable time...
James Clappison | 472 c1521 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that our suspicions that the process that he describes is in play are incr...
Mark Francois | 472 c1520-1 (Link to this contribution) I wish to argue to the contrary: that clause 3 should not stand part of the Bill. Our discussions on...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1519 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, clause 3 does two things. First, it makes technical changes to the terminology in...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1497 (Link to this contribution) Order. I ask the hon. Gentleman to relate his concerns to the amendment under discussion.
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1499 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman could relate his concern over the questionnaire to the amendment t...
James Clappison | 472 c1497-9 (Link to this contribution) As my right hon. Friend made clear in his opening speech, when there are further changes in terminol...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1499 (Link to this contribution) Order. We have a debate tomorrow on qualified majority voting, in which I look forward to hearing fr...
James Clappison | 472 c1499 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and I hope that I will catch your eye, or the eye of whoever is in the Chair at that time, M...
Mark Francois | 472 c1500 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 39, which was ably introduced by my right hon. Friend the Member for Wells (Mr. Heathc...
James Clappison | 472 c1499 (Link to this contribution) Although you are right to ask me that, Mrs. Heal, I am spot on the case because we need to know that...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1499 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps we can move away from the German questionnaire.
James Clappison | 472 c1499 (Link to this contribution) I hope to come back to the hon. Gentleman, because I know that he is very interested in this matter....
Jo Swinson | 472 c1487 (Link to this contribution) It is a delight to follow the right hon. Member for Suffolk, Coastal (Mr. Gummer). I have been enjoy...
Lord Deben | 472 c1486-7 (Link to this contribution) But in my view the Government would not, in the relevant circumstances, have the power under the Bil...
William Cash | 472 c1495-6 (Link to this contribution) It is like ““The Devil Rides Out””, but the devil is in the detail. Instruments subject to negative ...
James Clappison | 472 c1497 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Stone (Mr. Cash). I do not pretend to...
William Cash | 472 c1495 (Link to this contribution) All I can say—the transcript will demonstrate this—is that although I am making a fairly substantial...
Lord Deben | 472 c1495 (Link to this contribution) It sounds like something occult.
William Cash | 472 c1489-95 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely glad that the hon. Gentleman has walked into a trap, which I had not intended to set ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1495 (Link to this contribution) Order. The cricketing skills of former Members of this House are not part of the amendment.
William Cash | 472 c1487-9 (Link to this contribution) I want to take a close look at the impact of the extremely good amendment in relation to the way in ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1489 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for offering to give way before I had even indicated that it mig...
Lord Deben | 472 c1483-4 (Link to this contribution) I rise to discuss this issue for two reasons: I do not agree with the amendment, but I agree with th...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1484 (Link to this contribution) On a point of information, the artist will not receive the money because the work of art will be sol...
Lord Deben | 472 c1484 (Link to this contribution) I take much pleasure in receiving it. I think that I already have a copy of it, and the arguments in...
Lord Lilley | 472 c1484 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, who is eloquent and interesting, as always. He said that he f...
Lord Deben | 472 c1485 (Link to this contribution) Against the background of qualified majority voting, everybody seeks not to push things that matter ...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1485 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend seriously advance the proposition that co-operation on energy requires the...
Lord Deben | 472 c1485-6 (Link to this contribution) No, not to do what we have done for scores of years but to achieve something more effective. We have...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1486 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my right hon. Friend has not completely misunderstood the reason for my amendment. The r...
Rob Marris | 472 c1481 (Link to this contribution) I will make some progress. I have urged patience on the hon. Gentleman, and I continue to do so. Su...
William Cash | 472 c1481 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 39 concerns subsection (4), as applied by subsection (5), whereas subsection (1) is a ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1481 (Link to this contribution) I have certainly not become confused. I have already adverted to amendment No. 39 and what it does. ...
William Cash | 472 c1481-2 (Link to this contribution) This is a complex matter, and I am not trying to disparage the hon. Gentleman’s remarks in any way. ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1482 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the hon. Gentleman; clearly, I have not yet made myself crystal clear to him or perha...
Rob Marris | 472 c1481 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, but I urge patience. I realise that amendment No. 39 relates...
William Cash | 472 c1482 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the hon. Gentleman ended on that note, because I have a feeling that although this di...
Rob Marris | 472 c1482 (Link to this contribution) I agree that clause 3(3) has constitutional implications, but clause 3(4) does not. Subsection (4) u...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1501-2 (Link to this contribution) I made it 46, but perhaps it was nearer 50. The hon. Gentleman said that he had been accused of a Eu...
William Cash | 472 c1502 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is going through the points made in the debate, and I understand the formality of that,...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1502 (Link to this contribution) I will, of course, get to the points that the hon. Gentleman made in his 46 or 50-minute speech.
James Clappison | 472 c1502 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will know that in the White Paper leading up to the 2003 negotiation, the Government ve...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1502 (Link to this contribution) Order. I reminded the hon. Gentleman during his own contribution that the debate on qualified majori...
William Cash | 472 c1503 (Link to this contribution) There are one or two points to make on that. First, it is clear from the authority that I cited that...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1503 (Link to this contribution) Of course, as usual, I will abide by your strictures, Mrs. Heal, and we may, of course, have the opp...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1503 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an assertion in respect of section 2(2), rather than section 1(2) of the 19...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1503 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will allow me to make a little progress and if time allows and the Committee’s...
Mark Francois | 472 c1500-1 (Link to this contribution) I have short-changed my hon. Friend—it was 50 minutes. He discussed the amendment knowledgeably. It ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1500 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the hon. Lady; I had to nip out of the Chamber for a few minutes, so I missed her con...
Mark Francois | 472 c1501 (Link to this contribution) He has obviously clocked it, and we shall hear his response in a moment. The amendment would mean t...
Mark Francois | 472 c1501 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that my hon. Friend is asking the Minister a question through me. I am sure that the Minis...
William Cash | 472 c1501 (Link to this contribution) There is one point that we have not covered. Does my hon. Friend know why there are references in th...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1501 (Link to this contribution) It is a delight to follow the hon. Member for Rayleigh (Mr. Francois), as always, and to have the op...
Kelvin Hopkins | 472 c1474 (Link to this contribution) Terms are important, and people understand their significance. We have moved from a common market to...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1542 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the hon. Gentleman again, but what I have just said is pretty much what his Comm...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1542 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has tried to make the same point in several speeches. He tries to delude those ou...
Michael Connarty | 472 c1531-2 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the right hon. Member for Chingford and Woodford Green (Mr. Duncan Smith) eve...
Mark Francois | 472 c1512 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend and I have both opposed the Bill from the outset. However, it is important to make it...
Lord Deben | 472 c1485 (Link to this contribution) Of course, in any discussion, one does not always get everything one wants, and I would not dream of...
Mark Francois | 472 c1522 (Link to this contribution) My late mother was Italian, so I understand the concept of ““an offer you can’t refuse””.
Ed Davey | 472 c1525 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman wants to imagine a Europe without the European Union, I am sure that he, and o...
Mark Francois | 472 c1547-8 (Link to this contribution) You are absolutely right, Mrs. Heal. My point was about clause 3 and scrutiny, and I was simply abou...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1543 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly respect your injunction, Mrs. Heal, but your injunction underlines how lamentably s...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1556 (Link to this contribution) Order. Far too many private conversations are going on in the Chamber. The House must come to order....
James Clappison | 472 c1539 (Link to this contribution) In mitigation towards the Chairman of the European Scrutiny Committee, will my hon. Friend join me i...
Bernard Jenkin | 472 c1536 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly right. I remember debating those matters with my right hon. Friend many years ago wh...
William Cash | 472 c1479 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that a similar example relating to statutory instruments and the man...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1513 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to see the hon. Gentleman in his place and playing such an active part in our proceed...
Notes
Daily part printing error - Division No. 107 republished as No. 108 at 472 c1725-8.
Subjects
EU countries
European Union
European Parliament
Powers
Treaties
Terminology
Treaty of Lisbon
Legislation
European Union (Amendment) Bill 2007-08
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