Identity Cards Bill. Consideration of Commons amendments. Motion to insist on the Lords amendments and to disagree with Commons amendment in lieu agreed to on division (218 to 183). Committee appointed to propose a reason for Lords insistence. Reason reported and agreed to. Bill retuned to Commsn with reason
Identity Cards Bill
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
679 c1223-52 
Session
2005-06
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Identity Cards Bill. Commons insistence on disagreement to Lords amendments and amendment in lieu
Monday, 13 March 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Monday, 13 March 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c1246-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I found the noble and learned Lord’s intervention extraordinary. He will be very cautious ...
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie | 679 c1246 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, looking at the parliamentary dobbins, and the unelected on the other side, I am not surpri...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 679 c1248-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the first thing to clarify is that, because the other place gave an amendment in lieu and ...
Lord Carter | 679 c1245 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that was an extremely long intervention. Only one more sentence: it is not the first time ...
Lord Strathclyde | 679 c1244-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I always thought the rules of the House were that you should listen to the whole of the de...
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie | 679 c1245 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I had been asked a few weeks ago whether I subscribed to the doctrine advanced by the n...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 679 c1241 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have taken no part in any debate on this Bill so far, and I assure your Lordships that I...
Lord Barnett | 679 c1241-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, unlike my noble friend Lord Peston I have been a little involved in these debates and agre...
Lord Richard | 679 c1241 (Link to this contribution)
With respect, my Lords, it is. Read it tomorrow in Hansard and your Lordships will see so, but it is...
Earl of Erroll | 679 c1244 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will probably be supporting them when they do.
Earl of Erroll | 679 c1243-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we do not have a power of veto in this House—all we have is the power to delay things. If ...
Lord Carter | 679 c1244 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with regard to the Parliament Act, we ought to be entirely clear what we are talking about...
Countess of Mar | 679 c1242 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the noble Lord is saying what he seems to be saying, he is undermining totally the argu...
Lord Barnett | 679 c1242-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not mind disagreeing with my noble friend—I do it often. I am making the central poin...
Lord McNally | 679 c1242 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, how simple is it? The House of Commons can have its way via the Parliament Act. What is it...
Lord Barnett | 679 c1242 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure whether the noble Lord, when he was writing manifestos, put that in. Maybe h...
Lord Richard | 679 c1239 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may respond directly to the noble Lord, Lord McNally. His argument fell into two...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 679 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what I object to is a compulsory national identity register. I stay by that, and do not th...
Lord Richard | 679 c1240-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened carefully to what the noble Baroness said. She said she objected to it being co...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 679 c1241 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry, but I was saying that I could not see why anybody would wish to welcome a comp...
Lord Richard | 679 c1241 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted to hear what the noble Baroness has just said. It seems a slight variation ...
Lord Richard | 679 c1239-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with respect, I will not give way. I listened to the noble Lord in peace. He should subsid...
Lord McNally | 679 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, then why not write into the 1998 Act or whichever legislation contains the next reform, ““...
Lord Richard | 679 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if we were today discussing a reform of the House of Lords Act, no doubt that is an issue ...
Lord Richard | 679 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
I am warned, my Lords, and I take the warning. It is played primarily at least by people who are not...
Lord McNally | 679 c1239 (Link to this contribution)
No, my Lords. The Minister will see that the machinery was in the 1998 Act. If this House says no, a...
Lord Peston | 679 c1236-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not want to interrupt the noble Lord because he probably has a lot more to say, but “...
Lord McNally | 679 c1237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, clearly they have the right to govern this country on 34 per cent, but I think it is a ver...
Lord Carter | 679 c1237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am obliged to the noble Lord for giving way. Surely the argument of the noble Lord, Lord...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c1237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wonder whether the noble Lord can tell us what percentage he believes one should have to...
Lord McNally | 679 c1238-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall end on the Parliament Act and the power of this House to say no. Last time, the no...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c1239 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the noble Lord, Lord McNally, therefore saying that we have now reached a pass where th...
Lord McNally | 679 c1237-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that legislation is either well written or badly ...
Lord Carter | 679 c1238 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Parliament Act has been used four times since 1949. Three of those occasions were on f...
Lord McNally | 679 c1236 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I feel that it is right to respond to the very serious point raised by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Peston | 679 c1236 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I intervene with reluctance. I say immediately that I have no intention of debating identi...
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 679 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the first way in which I know is because there was a general election—a party won and a pa...
Baroness Elles | 679 c1234 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the noble Lord state what was in the manifesto, as he knows it so well?
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 679 c1234 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the manifesto states quite clearly that it will be the case that as people apply for a pas...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 679 c1234 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps may I say in answer that if it is really the case that the people were mad enough ...
Bishop of Chester | 679 c1234-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure whether there have been many contributions from these Benches at the earlier...
Countess of Mar | 679 c1235 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for interrupting the right reverend Prelate, but I am not sure that this is th...
Bishop of Chester | 679 c1235 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe that I am responding to the points that have already been made in the debate.
T...
Lord Monson | 679 c1235-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in her winding-up speech on this matter nine days ago, the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland, ...
Countess of Mar | 679 c1233 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the noble Lord kindly give way? Can he say how he personally knows what the people of...
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 679 c1233 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, may I say what pleasure it gives me that the alliance on the other side continues? ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 679 c1233 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be delighted to do so as soon as the Government are prepared to tell us the costs o...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 679 c1230 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Motion A1 moved by the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, and oppose government Motion A...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 679 c1228-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can deal with it very simply. I am the first and last to acknowledge the primacy of the ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 679 c1231-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am always so pleased to hear from the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes. I sometimes think he is ...
Lord Eatwell | 679 c1232-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, surely the noble Baroness, in urging the House to accept the amendment, will also want to ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 679 c1230 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be happy to give way to the noble Lord if he is to say that his honourable friend ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 679 c1230-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness. In this House, as in others, for a good debate it is ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 679 c1226 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to Motion A, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 679 c1227-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, while the noble Lord is in the middle of this argument, I put it to him that he may be con...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 679 c1226-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was hoping to get into my amendment, but I will answer the noble Lord’s point. There is ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c1223 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons amendments be now considered.
Moved accordingly, and, on Q...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c1223-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 16 and 22, in respect of...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c1245-6 (Link to this contribution)
No, my Lords. I was simply pointing out that the other place is elected. Members have gone through t...
Lord McNally | 679 c1237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand now and I can follow the noble Lord’s argument even better.
It was very inte...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 679 c1226 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, would the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, tell your Lordships’ House what the difference is bet...
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