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Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 12 December 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Benyon. The answering members were Baroness Hayman of Ullock and Baroness Wilcox of Newport.
Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to. Clause 3 under consideration.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
826 cc462-538 
Session
2022-23
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 826 c463 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should advise the Committee that, if the following amendment is agreed to, I shall no...

Lord Winston | 826 c463 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Winston

1: Clause 1, page 1, leave lines 4 to 6 and insert—

“(1) ...


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Lord Winston | 826 cc463-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when this Bill was considered by the various powers that be in the House, including the...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 826 c465 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I draw to the attention of the Committee that in the amendment we are about to discuss,...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc465-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Winston, and, indeed, our very ac...

Lord Winston | 826 c467 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of information, the noble Baroness was a great deal luckier with the Clerks than I was...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc467-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. I do not know how that happened, but I think I might...

Lord Krebs | 826 cc468-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett of Manor Castle, for raising the question of e...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 826 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise more to inquire than to support particular amendments. I am grateful to the nobl...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 826 c471 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for not being present at Second Reading. I had a hospital ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 cc471-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Winston for introducing these amendments. This group explo...

Lord Krebs | 826 c472 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness, but I want to make the point that when we talk about ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 cc472-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, for his very important point. We need to think about where we...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc473-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful for this interesting debate on this first section. I will start with...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc477-8 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, raised the issue of international compatibility of terminology. ...

Lord Benyon | 826 c478 (Link to this contribution)

The amount of time we spent in the department working with real experts in this field to get the ...

Lord Winston | 826 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for his consideration of what I think are difficult areas in t...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 826 c479 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, after “plant” inse...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 826 cc480-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 2 and speak to Amendment 31 in my name. At the outset, I decla...

Lord Krebs | 826 c481 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 31 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of W...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 826 cc481-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 31. First, for the purposes of this Committee, I declare my interes...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 826 cc482-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, gave a very good introduction to these tw...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 826 cc483-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for not speaking at the Second Reading of this Bill; I was...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc484-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for reminding me that I ...

Lord Winston | 826 c486 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister see this extending to non-food crops?

Lord Benyon | 826 c486 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, I can see this finding a use in forestry and in some ornamental crops. I think the ear...

Lord Winston | 826 c486 (Link to this contribution)

Then why not restrict the Bill to agriculture and horticulture? There are, of course, mechanical ...

Lord Benyon | 826 c486 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I would not want to do that. In the same way that we are insisting that these measu...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 826 c486 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I accept, as several noble Lords have said, tha...

Lord Benyon | 826 c486 (Link to this contribution)

I will just answer that precise point. That is very much what ACRE does. It would not just be res...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 826 c487 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord and therefore wish to withdraw my amendment.

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 c487 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, leave out “or ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc487-490 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 3, I shall also speak to the rather daunting-looking number of amen...

Lord Trees | 826 cc490-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for my late arrival. I set off from Scotland very early this morning, but, ...

Lord Winston | 826 c491 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord be kind enough to answer one question? Does he not consider the possibility ...

Lord Trees | 826 c491 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I say that that could be screened out in the development process. There may be indi...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 c491 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord referred to the possibility of using gene editing to tackle enteric worms. Would h...

Lord Trees | 826 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I acknowledge that work has been done on that, but it is not in widespread commercial use.

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 826 cc491-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 3, and I support the consequential amendments. The Go...

Lord Krebs | 826 c493 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join my noble friend Lord Trees in welcoming the inclusion of animals in this Bill, b...

Lord Winston | 826 cc493-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 9 is in my name. I will be very brief about that, but I agree that we should ...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 826 cc494-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that these are mostly probing amendments and, as ever, we await the Minister’...

Lord Curry of Kirkharle | 826 c495 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at the risk of appearing to be part of a Cross-Bench cabal, I would like to support the...

Baroness Parminter | 826 cc495-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches we have heard the arguments made by those who argue for the exclusio...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 cc496-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a number of amendments in this group, but many of them are consequential, so I w...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc499-500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I was in another place, there was a free vote on the smoking ban. I remember a pan...

Lord Winston | 826 c500 (Link to this contribution)

I have been looking very carefully at the literature on gene editing for this debate, to remind m...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc500-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord and will cover that point in a moment.

I was making a point...

Lord Trees | 826 c502 (Link to this contribution)

On companion animals, I can understand that this is a difficult and quite controversial issue. Th...

Lord Benyon | 826 c502 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with the noble Lord: there are opportunities here. With the balanced approach tha...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 c502 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. He has talked about a step-by-step approach a few times. Why can that not b...

Lord Benyon | 826 c503 (Link to this contribution)

All I can do is assure noble Lords that nothing will happen before we are in the right position t...

Lord Winston | 826 c503 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Minister will forgive me—I have been a complete pest to him this afternoon and will pr...

Lord Benyon | 826 c503 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely why we want to have the proper regulatory framework in place, and that requires...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc503-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his answer and thank everyone who contributed to what has been a very ri...

Lord Winston | 826 c504 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. Does she not agree with me that we have been ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc504-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention and agree, although we know that animals kept in good...

Lord Benyon | 826 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that any conversation I have had has considered what our priorities would be. Our ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his answer, but I note that the Bill allows that to happen. There is not...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc505-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle

12: Clause 1, page 1, line 14, at end inser...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 c506 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I seem to be dominating; I am sure we will get away from this. Amendme...

Lord Krebs | 826 c507 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 74 in this group. I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, f...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 826 cc507-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett of Manor Castle, and the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, have ...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 826 c508 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett of Manor Castle, for tabling Amendment 12, and ...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc508-510 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their amendments regarding intellectual property laws. I will first take ...

Lord Krebs | 826 c510 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know who drafted this response but it is a masterpiece of obscurantism, in my view. I do...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc510-1 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Lord if I am sending him to sleep, but this is a complex area. Patent la...

Lord Winston | 826 c511 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if we could “strictly” stop dancing just for a moment and come back to the question of t...

Lord Benyon | 826 c511 (Link to this contribution)

I have to be honest with the noble Lord and say that I will write to him on this. He makes a very...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc511-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his answer and everyone who has contributed to this short but ...

Lord Benyon | 826 c512 (Link to this contribution)

That last point would have been dealt with in the process for ACRE’s analysis of its worthiness a...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 c512 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for tackling those questions. I feel that it might be best for me to write t...

Baroness Bakewell | 826 c513 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville

16: After Clause 1, insert the fo...

Baroness Bakewell | 826 cc513-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 16 in my name and I have added my name to Amendments 76, 77 a...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 826 cc514-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, surely the whole point of this Bill is to speed up the process of bringing into being t...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc515-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have the greatest respect for the noble Lord, Lord Cameron of Dillington, but I think...

Lord Winston | 826 cc516-7 (Link to this contribution)

I never thought I would be a member of the Green Party, but I clearly am this evening. I must agr...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 826 cc517-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in one of the earlier debates the Minister sought to categorise some of us as people wh...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 cc518-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, for introducing her Amendment 16. As we have...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc519-520 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that, as keen as I am to get this right and get something sensible on the statute bo...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 c520 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister tried to suggest that the legislation was uncontroversial. We were before di...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc520-4 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the point the noble Baroness makes, and of course, there are others who fervently want m...

Lord Winston | 826 cc524-5 (Link to this contribution)

I would love to hear from the Minister say “finally” again in just a second. One of the issues I ...

Lord Benyon | 826 c525 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Lord’s points. We have to make it clear that we will not allow organisms to come...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 826 cc525-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although I thank the Minister for his response, I am obviously somewhat disappointed by...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 c526 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayman of Ullock

19: Clause 3, page 3, line 35, at end insert—

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Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 cc526-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 19 would require that a precision-bred organism has been developed to prov...

Lord Krebs | 826 cc528-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman of Ullock, for introducing this amendment so el...

Baroness Parminter | 826 cc529-530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say how much I support this amendment, which has been introduced by the noble...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 826 cc530-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 19 and I very much support the arguments put forward ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc531-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 19, which noble Lords will see already has a full co...

Lord Winston | 826 cc532-3 (Link to this contribution)

Seeing as my name has been mentioned, perhaps I ought to speak. I thought we were still on the tw...

Lord Sentamu | 826 c533 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I practised law before I started practising law and grace together, I was of the v...

Lord Benyon | 826 cc533-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for Amendment 19, which raises the importance of ensuring that what we do...

Lord Krebs | 826 c536 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister, but I have one question of clarification, just to check that I have underst...

Lord Benyon | 826 c537 (Link to this contribution)

Whether I can give the noble Lord an example or not, I do not know, but he is absolutely right. T...

Lord Winston | 826 c537 (Link to this contribution)

That was a very complicated statement. I think the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, had a bit of difficult...

Lord Benyon | 826 c537 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. I would just say to the noble Lord that ACRE assessed the evidence put ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 826 c538 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Winston for his amendment and for the discussion, but I do...

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