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Procurement Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 24 October 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Viscount Younger of Leckie and Baroness Neville-Rolfe. The answering members were Lord Coaker and Baroness Hayman of Ullock.
Lords committee stage sixth day. Clauses 30 to 36 agreed to as amended. Clauses 37 and 38 agreed to. Clause 39 agreed to as amended. Clause 40 agreed to. Schedule 5 agreed to as amended. Clause 41 agreed to. Clause 42 agreed to as amended. Clause 43 agreed to. Clauses 44 to 49 agreed to as amended.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
824 cc277-346GC 
Session
2022-23
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Procurement Bill (HL) 2022-23
Wednesday, 11 May 2022
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2022-0866
Wednesday, 2 November 2022
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House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2022-0867
Thursday, 3 November 2022
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House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2022-0869
Monday, 7 November 2022
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Deposited Paper DEP2022-0868
Wednesday, 2 November 2022
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Wednesday, 9 November 2022
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Watkins of Tavistock | 824 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn as soon as...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 824 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

177: Clause 30, page 19, line 24, at end insert—


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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 824 cc277-280GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 180. It seems a long time since we were in Grand Commit...

Lord Fox | 824 cc280-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise as a cipher for my noble friend Lord Wallace, who has tabled a number of amendme...

Baroness Noakes | 824 cc283-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, welcome my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe to her new position. As she knows, s...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 824 cc284-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise with great pleasure, following the noble Lords, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath and Lor...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 824 cc286-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also start by welcoming the Minister to her new role. I thank her and her officials f...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc287-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their kind welcome on my appointment as Minister of State a...

Lord Fox | 824 c288GC (Link to this contribution)

During that spirited defence of the need to keep things open for international companies to be ab...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c288GC (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I will think about the answer, make some progress, and come back to that on a future oc...

Lord Fox | 824 c288GC (Link to this contribution)

It is surprising that the Minister cannot answer that.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc288-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Well, I think that “value for money” is a clear term, but I am listening seriously to the point t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

I try to wake up early, as noble Lords know. Value for money is not defined in Clause 11(1)(a), t...

Lord Fox | 824 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister, but the question I was rather clumsily trying to ask was whether we extract...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc289-290GC (Link to this contribution)

I think we have made a bit of progress; I will not go down that rabbit hole or we will not make e...

Baroness Noakes | 824 c290GC (Link to this contribution)

A moment ago my noble friend said, in respect of the amendment by the noble Lord, Lord Fox, that ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c290GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for her further comments, which I will consider carefully. I myself feel ...

Lord Fox | 824 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response. The notion of, in a sense, using professional misconduct a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

We have to get the right result but we also have to avoid a chilling effect. That is my basic app...

Lord Fox | 824 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

A chilling effect on corruption?

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

A chilling effect on corruption is obviously positive but a chilling effect on people being prepa...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 824 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

I too welcome the Minister to her position. My question relates to a later group in which I have ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc291-2GC (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord said, we will come on to discuss those aspects, and I will try to answer that q...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 824 cc292-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister. I particularly welcomed her comments on SMEs and tr...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c293GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

178: Clause 30, page 19, line 26, at end insert “or”<...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c293GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

181: Clause 30, page 19, line 32, leave out “supplier...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 824 cc293-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

185: After Clause 30, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 824 cc294-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in a sense, this amendment is very different from my first two. None the less, we are s...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 824 cc296-300GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, in what was...

Baroness Northover | 824 cc300-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a co-signatory on this amendment and, from the Lib Dem Benches, we strongly suppor...

Lord Coaker | 824 cc301-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise; I will see how long my voice lasts—not long, I imagine some people hope, b...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c303GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 185 would require the Minister to publish in regulations a list of countries ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc303-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was talking about the international angle and the importance of doing things internat...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 824 c304GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Baroness; I got trapped in the Chamber when the doors were locked at the...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c304GC (Link to this contribution)

I look forward to getting delayed in the Lobby in the next Division.

I am aware of the conc...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 824 cc304-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be grateful if the Minister could clarify a little her argument as to why organ trafficki...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c305GC (Link to this contribution)

I will need to take the noble Lord’s first point away and look at it. His explicit point is that ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 824 c305GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be grateful if the Minister were willing to consider this. It is not about the ethical po...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c305GC (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, I have learned during this debate. I will obviously have to learn a little more about ho...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 824 cc305-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Alton, t...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c306GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

188: Clause 31, page 20, line 2, leave out “tende...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c307GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

192: Clause 32, page 21, line 3, leave out “tende...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c307GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

199: Clause 33, page 21, line 22, leave out “tend...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c307GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

209: Clause 34, page 22, line 8, leave out from “...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c308GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

210: Clause 34, page 22, line 10, leave out “a pa...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c308GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have a change of horse. By way of a health warning, my remarks do include mention of...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 cc308-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I was saying, Amendments 223 to 227, 229 to 231 and 233 are tidying-up amendments. A...

Lord Fox | 824 cc309-310GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Viscount set out so speedily, this new concept of dynamic markets is so ne...

Lord Lansley | 824 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

I had not intended to intervene but I am getting a bit confused here. In the Public Contracts Reg...

Lord Lansley | 824 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope it is but it does not say so, whereas the 2015 regulations make it clear that it is. I won...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 824 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall be extremely brief as the noble Lord, Lord Fox, has already covered a lot of the concerns...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 cc310-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I appreciate the comments made by the three Peers who have spoken. It might be appropri...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 cc311-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

211: Clause 34, page 22, line 11, leave out first...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

223: Clause 35, page 22, line 32, leave out “(a “...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

229: Clause 35, page 23, line 5, after “Act” inse...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

233: Clause 35, page 23, line 20, leave out subse...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

234: Clause 36, page 23, line 29, at end insert—<...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 824 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

235: Clause 39, page 25, line 6, after “authority...

Lord Clement-Jones | 824 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

235ZA: Clause 40, page 25, line 16, at end insert—

...

Lord Clement-Jones | 824 cc314-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would be very happy if the Minister introduced my amendment, but in moving it I will ...

Baroness Noakes | 824 cc315-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 236 in this group. It probes the relationship between direct contract ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 824 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly on Amendment 240 in particular, to which I would have attached ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 824 cc316-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a few amendments in this group. The first is Amendment 235A, which was brought f...

Lord Fox | 824 cc318-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, Clause 41 covers the very important issue of direct awards that may b...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc320-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a rather confusing group, so I will start by speaking to the two government ame...

Lord Fox | 824 c321GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister finishes, I have two points. On the big question, I asked whether s...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 824 c321GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might add that what the Minister said makes a lot of sense and is helpful, but one of t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc321-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I think our intention is to try to get rid of the VIP lanes. I will take the point away but there...

Baroness Fookes | 824 c324GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee that, where amendments are grouped, only the first amendment is ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 824 c324GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it falls to me as the mover of the lead amendment to respond to the Minister. Clearly, ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c324GC (Link to this contribution)

Certainly. We have discussed SMEs before; we have gone away to have a look at that issue. I recen...

Lord Clement-Jones | 824 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think it partly depends on the market that is covered by particular SMEs. I could pro...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

237: Schedule 5, page 89, line 27, leave out paragrap...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

244: Clause 42, page 26, line 28, after “satisfy” ins...

Lord Aberdare | 824 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Aberdare

245A: Clause 44, page 27, line 14, leave out subsection (2) an...

Lord Aberdare | 824 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by joining the chorus of welcome to the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe, in ...

Lord Lansley | 824 cc327-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendments 247, 248 and 249 in this group. This is my first chance t...

Lord Scriven | 824 cc328-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Committee for being late; I have literally just got off an aeroplane. Like oth...

Lord Coaker | 824 cc329-330GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are getting into some detail now. That is the purpose of Committee and it is very co...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc330-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Aberdare and Lord Scriven, and my noble friend Lord Lansl...

Lord Aberdare | 824 c331GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister did make some progress though.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc331-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the objective behind the noble Lord’s Amendment 245A. There is a need for this Bill ...

Lord Aberdare | 824 c332GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her response. I am encouraged that she agrees with the o...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc332-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

246: Clause 44, page 27, line 18, at end insert—

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c333GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

250: Clause 44, page 28, line 6, leave out “under an ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c333GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

252: Clause 45, page 28, line 24, leave out “a framew...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

256: Clause 46, page 28, line 42, leave out “supplier...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

258: Clause 47, page 29, line 12, at end insert “(but...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

261: Clause 48, page 30, line 10, after “competitive”...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

263: Clause 49, page 30, line 31, after second “the” ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc334-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group deals with Parts 9 and 10 of the Bill. Providing suppliers with an effective...

Baroness Noakes | 824 c336GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have several amendments in this group. The first is Amendment 264, a probing amendmen...

Lord Fox | 824 cc336-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in place of my noble friend Lord Wallace on Amendments 349A, 349B and 353A, all...

Baroness Thornton | 824 cc337-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 477A and 486A in my name. I thank my noble friend Lady Haym...

Lord Scriven | 824 c338GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, on the issues that she raises. W...

Lord Coaker | 824 cc339-340GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been another interesting debate. This group is on oversight and remedies. If y...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc340-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for an interesting debate on these non-government amendments. I do not think ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc341-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I will have a little more to say about this later on, so why not let me finish? If I do not answe...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 824 c342GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister clarify whether it is the Government’s intention that the PRU will be an appropr...

Lord Fox | 824 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

Following on from that, if the Secretary of State can give and the Secretary of State can take aw...

Baroness Thornton | 824 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

I might as well intervene now too, because the question I would really like to ask the Minister—a...

Lord Scriven | 824 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

Following on from what the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, has said, and from what the Minister sa...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc343-4GC (Link to this contribution)

We do have a social value Act; I think the answer is—subject to correction—that social value feat...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 824 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that response. To be clear, will the panel be the investigating body?

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

No. The PRU, a Civil Service unit, will be the investigating body, which will consist of experien...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 824 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, but Clause 96 says the “appropriate authority may investigate”. The Minister has b...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

We have put together this whole new system of procurement, which includes various checks and bala...

Lord Fox | 824 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will have got the message that there is deep disquiet about how this will be structu...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

Of course, I will write setting out how this will work. I ask the Committee to look at it constru...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 cc345-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

265: Clause 49, page 31, line 2, after “period” inser...

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