Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill
Wednesday, 22 July 2020
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House of Lords
My Lords, in opening this debate, on the first day of Committee on this Bill, it might be sensibl...
My Lords, I have a very different view from the opponent of the clause standing part. The UK Gove...
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My Lords, it is a privilege, as always, to follow the noble Lord. I respect his point of view and...
I join noble Lords in welcoming the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson of Tredegar, to his place in the Hou...
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames, for reminding the Committee of ...
My Lords, I should have opened my earlier speech by welcoming the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson of Tre...
We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 1. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to s...
Moved by
Lord Wolfson of Tredegar
1: Schedule 2, page 52, leave out lines 27 to 35
My Lords, I hope that the Committee will allow me to take a moment to thank the noble Lords, Lord...
My Lords, I understand from the Minister that this is a minor amendment. I too welcome him to his...
My Lords, I am grateful for the words of the noble Lord. To answer his two questions, I say that ...
We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 2. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...
Moved by
Lord Wolfson of Tredegar
2: Schedule 3, page 53, line 41, leave out “Article...
My Lords, I will also speak to Amendments 3, 17, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 73, 74 and 75. I wil...
My Lords, I have many reservations about the value of polygraph tests. They rely on measuring sev...
Like the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, I too have considerable doubts about the reliabilit...
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for setting out their various points. I turn first to thos...
Moved by
Lord Wolfson of Tredegar
3: Schedule 3, page 53, line 44, leave out “those A...
We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 4. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...
Moved by
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames
4: Clause 4, page 5, line 39, leave out “14” ...
My Lords, Clause 4 and my Amendments 4 and 5 concern the imposition of serious terrorism sentence...
My Lords, I am always intrigued by the thought processes that must be brought into play in fixing...
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, concluded his remarks by saying that the amend...
My Lords, it is a privilege to stand and answer points made by the noble Lords who have spoken. I...
I have received one request to speak after the Minister from the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee.
...The noble and learned Lord very briefly answered the questions on consultation from my noble frie...
Will the noble Baroness confirm that she is referring to the probation service?
I appreciate that there are levels and areas of probation. The question extends to all parts of t...
If I may, I will respond to the noble Baroness’s question in writing.
My Lords, again I thank all who have spoken on these amendments, in particular the noble and lear...
Moved by
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames
6: Clause 11, page 12, line 33, leave out “ex...
My Lords, we spoke in the previous group about young offenders, but there is in Clause 4 a very l...
[Inaudible]—is in relation to the necessity for the judge at trial to have full discretion in pas...
My Lords, the noble Lords, Lord Marks and Lord Thomas, have explained their thinking behind the a...
My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames, explained, this amendment seeks to a...
My Lords, I am grateful to those who have spoken, and to the Minister for his response. However, ...
We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 7. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to s...
Moved by
Lord Falconer of Thoroton
7: Clause 16, page 16, line 33, at end insert—
...Through this amendment, before the court considered whether to apply an extended sentenced of eig...
My Lords, I adopt what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, said and will add a few words. ...
My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Wolfson of Tredegar on what I think is his first ou...
I call the next speaker, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Morris of Aberavon. I think we are havi...
My Lords, I have a slightly embarrassing confession to make. When I first decided to get involved...
The noble and learned Lord, Lord Morris of Aberavon, has withdrawn from this group, so I call the...
My Lords, I agree with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, about the benefits ...
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, for introducing...
I have received one request to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, so I c...
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his comments. Yesterday, in debating the Domesti...
My Lords, there is a strong connection between the Domestic Abuse Bill and this Bill to the exten...
My Lords, I am grateful to everyone who has participated in this short debate. I am very grateful...
We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 8. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...
Moved by
Lord Stewart of Dirleton
8: Clause 23, page 20, line 24, at end insert “(or ...
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 9 in this group. Both are minor technical amendments to...
My Lords, the Minister’s words brought to mind many waterfalls that I know and love in Scotland, ...
I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Stewart of Dirleton, for the clarity with which...
My Lords, the purpose of the amendment was to reflect the approach adopted across England and Wal...
Moved by
Lord Stewart of Dirleton
9: Clause 23, page 21, line 2, leave out “or (6)”
We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 10. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to...
Moved by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
10: After Clause 26, insert the following new Claus...
My Lords, first, I declare an interest, as my wife is an adviser on the Prevent programme in the ...
My Lords, I give my strong support to both amendments in the group: that moved by the noble Lord,...
The noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, has experienced computer problems, so we must move on to the nob...
My Lords, my name is to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. It would have been added to t...
My Lords, I join other noble Lords in welcoming my noble friend Lord Wolfson to his position. I c...
The noble and learned Lord, Lord Morris of Aberavon, is not on the call, so I call the noble Baro...
My Lords, I would like to say everything I said on Amendment 7: we need effective rehabilitation,...
My Lords, I listened carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, and agreed with a great deal of what...
My Lords, in view of the speeches we have had from a number of noble Lords, there is nothing whic...
My Lords, I welcome the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson of Tredegar, to his first Bill. In my limited co...
My Lords, my Amendment 35 is in this group. I agreed with everything my noble friend Lord Hunt sa...
My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords for their amendments, which bring us to a very import...
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in what has been an important and ...
We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 11. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to...
Moved by
Lord Falconer of Thoroton
11: Clause 27, page 24, line 5, at end insert—
...These are three simple amendments dealing with the sentencing framework for England, Scotland and...
The law has always distinguished between the adult and the young offender in many ways. Policy ha...
My Lords, as the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, explained, Amendments 11, 13 ...
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson of Tredegar, for the careful way in which he dealt ...
We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 12. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...
Moved by
Baroness Prashar
12: Clause 27, leave out Clause 27 and insert the following...
My Lords, the principle aim of the amendment is to ensure that the Parole Board retains its vital...
My Lords, it was an honour to put my name to this amendment, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Pr...
We have been unable to reach the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, so we now move to the noble Lord, L...
My Lords, the Bill has been broadly welcomed, in light of the Fishmongers’ Hall and Streatham att...
My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Faulks, that we are dealing with the determination of...
My Lords, this amendment incorporates significant changes to Clause 27. In particular, as pointed...
This is a significant debate. There are two circumstances that one has to consider. First, when o...
My Lords, in this amendment the noble Baroness, Lady Prashar, whose experience in this area is pr...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for a very open response and all other noble Lords who have spoken...
Noble Lords should be aware that the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, and the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwe...
My Lords, as was said on the previous group, Clause 27 as it stands would mean that offenders ser...
I call the next speaker, the noble Baroness, Lady Prashar. No? We will come back to her. Let us t...
My Lords, I have once again signed up to the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Prasha...
We still cannot reach the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, so I call the noble Lord, Lord Naseby.
...My Lords, the Bill makes a welcome change to the sentencing, release and monitoring of terrorism ...
My Lords, by coincidence I am once again following the noble Lord, Lord Naseby. I would remind hi...
My Lords, we have had interesting debates on both this and the previous group. In closing the pre...
My Lords, the Committee will appreciate that there is a significant overlap between this and the ...
My Lords, we have had two serious and thoughtful debates on the last two groups, and I am very gr...
We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 15. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...
Moved by
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede
15: After Clause 31, insert the following new Cla...
My Lords, I will be very brief on this amendment. The two previous groups have been groups of sub...
My Lords, I welcome the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson of Tredegar, to our House. It is brave of him to...
My Lords, the town of Tredegar is noted for its town clock, which was erected, or at least its pl...
My Lords, I apologise for any inconvenience caused by my noble friend Lady Hamwee and me not spea...
My Lords, this amendment would require the Government to report on whether the removal of Parole ...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. First, turning to the...