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Psychoactive Substances Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 14 July 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bates.
Lords report stage (day one, part one). Clause 2, amendment disagreed to on division (95 to 314). Clause 3, amendment agreed. Clause 6, amendment agreed to on division (178 to 139).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
764 cc463-519 
Session
2015-16
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
Government defeats
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Psychoactive Substances Bill (HL) 2015-16
Thursday, 28 May 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Meacher | 764 c463 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Meacher

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, after “about” insert “syntheti...

Baroness Meacher | 764 cc463-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the contents of Amendment 1 are reflected in Amendment 3. I am grateful to my noble fri...


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Baroness Hamwee | 764 cc466-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to the noble Baroness’s Amendment 3, and my noble friend Lord Padd...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 cc467-470 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is remarkable that the international community, having been increasingly aware of an...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 764 c470 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, is right to avoid the use of the word “novel” or “new...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 764 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make two quick points as a codicil to this important group of amendments. I s...

Lord Ramsbotham | 764 c471 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was very glad to hear the confirmation by my noble and learned friend Lord Hope of th...

Lord Elton | 764 c472 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a very small question to ask relating to the definition of harm, which is qualif...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 764 c472 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure if I am allowed to speak again on Report but I am challenged here. The wo...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 764 cc472-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have no particular difficulty with the first amendment concerning “synthetic”, and I ...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c473 (Link to this contribution)

What would be the practicalities of trying to prove the intention of a chemist in China?

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 764 c473 (Link to this contribution)

The intentions in China are possibly as human as intentions here. If people produce a substance i...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 764 cc473-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, hit on the essence of the Bill at...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c474 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend for giving way. How does he deal with the objection raised ...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 764 cc474-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for that intervention and hope to respond to it, at least in pa...

Lord Bates | 764 cc476-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, for giving us the opportunity for this debate...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 764 c479 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am, albeit temporarily, on the same side as the Minister, and I am now confused. I th...

Lord Bates | 764 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the noble Lord please not to go to the other side just yet but to stay with me a little lon...

Baroness Meacher | 764 cc480-1 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I would like to put one question to him on that issue. He said at ...

Lord Bates | 764 c481 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness goes to the heart of the issue; we have a problem with that. We are just not c...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c481 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. What is his difficulty about using the apparatus al...

Lord Bates | 764 cc481-2 (Link to this contribution)

That was the point that I was trying to address in response to my noble and learned friend Lord M...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 764 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Listening to the Minister, one might almost interpret him as saying that this is a balanced issue...

Lord Bates | 764 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Look at the pace of events over the past week and the exchanges of correspondence that there have...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 764 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, let me make clear that the present difficulty is that botanical ...

Lord Bates | 764 c482 (Link to this contribution)

That would seem an elegant solution.

Lord Tunnicliffe | 764 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister saying—I think he is about to get an answer from the Box—that he may well further...

Lord Bates | 764 c482 (Link to this contribution)

In responding on the Bill, I gave a number of examples of particular botanical substances that wo...

Baroness Meacher | 764 c483 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. It has turned into an incr...

Baroness Hamwee | 764 c484 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

5: Clause 2, page 1, line 15, leave out paragraph (a) and in...

Baroness Hamwee | 764 c484 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I speak to Amendment 5, perhaps I should say to noble Lords who are wondering wh...

Lord Rosser | 764 c488 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

10: Clause 3, page 2, line 14, leave out “such” and insert “—

Lord Rosser | 764 c488 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to speculate on whether it was my eloquence and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Ha...

Lord Paddick | 764 c488 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on this amendment. We moved a similar amendment in Committee. Obviously, we ...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c489 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in supporting the amendment tabled by my noble friend Lord Rosser, I express my welcome...

Lord Bates | 764 c489 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this may be a short group as we, too, welcome this amendment. I do not think I have eve...

Baroness Meacher | 764 c489 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Meacher

11: Schedule 1, page 37, line 7, leave out paragraph 2 and ...

Baroness Meacher | 764 c490 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 11 I shall also speak to Amendment 12, both of which we debated in ...

Baroness Hamwee | 764 c490 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 24, to which the noble Baroness has added her name, comes from my noble frien...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c491 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure that the issue of the medicinal use of cannabis is germane to this partic...

Baroness Hamwee | 764 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I would just make it clear that I am talking about research. It happens to be in that context, bu...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I was not meaning in any way to attempt to refute or reject something that the noble Baroness had...

Lord Rosser | 764 cc491-2 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be brief, but we have an amendment in this group, which states:

“Regulations under ...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 764 cc492-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for all their points. As discussed in Committee, there is common ground betwe...

Baroness Meacher | 764 c493 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I thank the Minister for her reassu...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c493 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Howarth of Newport

13: Clause 5, page 2, line 36, at end insert “for th...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 cc494-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is intended to avoid a situation in which we may find ourselves criminal...

Lord Paddick | 764 c495 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Hamwee and I have Amendment 16 in this group, which approaches the...

Baroness Meacher | 764 c495 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all that needs to be said has been said. I will simply express my support for these ame...

Lord Ramsbotham | 764 c497 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support these amendments but for a slightly different reason. I have a Private ...

Lord Hardie | 764 cc497-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I certainly sympathise with the observations of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, about ...

Lord Bates | 764 cc498-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very fitting that we come to the consideration of this amendment moved by the nob...

Lord Paddick | 764 cc499-500 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord does not appear to have addressed the issue of disproportionate charging of black ...

Lord Bates | 764 c500 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord made a good point on stop-and-search powers and I know that a significant body of ...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 cc500-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everyone who has spoken. We know and applaud the Home Secretary’s driv...

Baroness Hamwee | 764 c501 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

15: Clause 5, page 3, line 7, leave out “is reckless as to” ...

Baroness Hamwee | 764 cc501-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment is in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, who cannot be here today. O...

Lord Bates | 764 cc502-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for presenting this amendment on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas,...

Baroness Hamwee | 764 c504 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it would be inappropriate for me to take the matter any further. I am sorry that the gu...

Lord Rosser | 764 c504 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

17: Clause 6, page 3, line 20, leave out “or B” and insert “, B ...

Lord Rosser | 764 cc504-6 (Link to this contribution)

The purpose of this group of amendments relating to prison premises is to make supplying or offer...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 764 cc505-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 18 and 20 in this group are in my name and that of the right reverend Prelat...

Bishop of Bristol | 764 cc508-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was glad to add my name to the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwoo...

Lord Paddick | 764 cc509-510 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, in relation to pri...

Lord Blencathra | 764 cc510-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I have not been able to be here for the whole debate. I had meetings e...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 764 c511 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, whatever I may think about the general principle of the legislation, if we are to have ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 764 cc511-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Rosser. As some of your Lordships know,...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 764 cc512-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is no doubt that one can think of serious aggravating factors in relation to thes...

Lord Bates | 764 cc513-5 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you. I always get a little bit worried when the opposition Chief Whip appears in the Chambe...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 764 c514 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that very helpful suggestion. For the avoidance of doubt, the i...

Lord Bates | 764 c514 (Link to this contribution)

I am looking for counsel from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hardie, as a former Lord Advocate,...

Lord Hardie | 764 c516 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might assist the House. Of course, this is a devolved matter and it would be for the Sc...

Lord Bates | 764 cc516-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for that. Perhaps we should take a little bit more time over this. There are s...

Lord Rosser | 764 c517 (Link to this contribution)

Before I respond, could I be clear about what the Minister is or is not offering? Is he offering ...

Lord Bates | 764 c517 (Link to this contribution)

The principal point, which is about dealing with the issue of prisoners, is partially dealt with ...

Lord Rosser | 764 c517 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has not given me a commitment to come back at Third Reading, and I am not surprised....

Lord Bates | 764 c517 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene on the noble Lord, but he may end up with something better for tackling t...

Lord Rosser | 764 c518 (Link to this contribution)

I am also reflecting on some of the arguments that have been made. There is an argument in relati...

Lord Bates | 764 c518 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, just to be clear to those who are listening to this point in the...

Lord Rosser | 764 c519 (Link to this contribution)

When it comes to being a statutory aggravating feature affecting the seriousness of the offence, ...

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