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Human Fertilisation and Embryology (Mitochondrial Donation) Regulations 2015

Debates on delegated legislation on Tuesday, 24 February 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe.
Lords motion to approve. Amendment disagreed to on division (48 to 280). Main question agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
759 cc1568-1625 
Session
2014-15
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Human Fertilisation and Embryology (Mitochondrial Donation) Regulations
Wednesday, 17 December 2014
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Statutory Instruments Joint Committee seventeenth report.
Wednesday, 7 January 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee twenty-third report.
Tuesday, 20 January 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Earl Howe | 759 cc1569-1572 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of the regulations is to enable women to have their own genetic children, f...

Lord Deben | 759 c1572 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Deben


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Lord Deben | 759 cc1572-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I have to say that I am in favour of mitochondrial donation. I am not opposed to...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 759 c1573 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. Does he accept that the Wellcome Trust has publi...

Lord Deben | 759 cc1573-7 (Link to this contribution)

The Wellcome Trust has certainly done that but I was referring at that moment to the ministry and...

Lord Geddes | 759 c1576 (Link to this contribution)

I assume the noble Lord would like to move his amendment.

Lord Patel | 759 cc1576-1580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry for rushing in, but the noble Lord, Lord Deben, excited me so much with the ...

Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 759 c1579 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord comment on the HFEA’s recommendation that, as available data are limited, an...

Lord Patel | 759 c1579 (Link to this contribution)

The data that the report suggested were not available were actually presented to the committee. T...

Lord Winston | 759 c1581 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether I can help my noble friend Lord Patel. Does he agree with me that there were ver...

Lord Patel | 759 cc1581-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that interruption. It was worse than that: it was suggested not only ...

Lord Patel | 759 c1582 (Link to this contribution)

“Dangerous”, my noble friend says. It killed the other two and resulted in a premature birth. The...

Lord Turnberg | 759 cc1582-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to be able to follow the noble Lord, Lord Patel. I am also grat...

Bishop of Carlisle | 759 cc1585-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for those among us—and I include myself—who are not scientists, this is a demanding top...

Viscount Ridley | 759 cc1586-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must declare an interest in that much of the groundbreaking science of mitochondrial ...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 c1588 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much support the Motion that has been tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Deben, for ...

Lord Winston | 759 c1588 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way, but I do not think that she speaks from exper...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 c1589 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that intervention. However, the research shows that there is a shortag...

Lord Patel | 759 c1589 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for giving way. It is important to clarify that point, particularly as...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 c1590 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. It remains the case that there is a shortage of dona...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 c1590 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend, but, given that my noble friend Lord Patel mentioned thi...

Baroness O'Loan | 759 c1590 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that intervention. I am not arguing against this process; I am arguing...

Lord Winston | 759 c1590 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest in that it was my scientific group which started pre-implantation...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 c1591 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before my noble friend goes any further, I say to him that there are real differences i...

Lord Winston | 759 cc1591-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble and learned friend for that.

I want to do something which I ...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 c1593 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord and I agree on much of what he has been saying today. However, in 2013—j...

Lord Patel | 759 c1594 (Link to this contribution)

May I comment on that, since the noble Lord refers to me?

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 c1594 (Link to this contribution)

I did actually ask the noble Lord, Lord Winston.

Lord Patel | 759 c1594 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord was asking him to reply to my comment. He is quite right that China h...

Lord Winston | 759 c1594 (Link to this contribution)

I am very concerned that the noble Lord, Lord Patel, might get into trouble with the Whip sitting...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 759 cc1594-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at the outset, I have to declare two interests. First, I am the honorary life president...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 cc1596-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an extraordinary debate. We have had a feast from the best in the medical...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 759 c1598 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble and learned Baroness for giving way. Can she explain to the House...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 cc1598-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the issues in relation to how the charter impacts upon the legislation that we are disc...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 759 c1599 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble and learned Baroness also agree that until the regulations are made, the matter ca...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 c1599 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are two steps. I would argue that the first step is that if a Select Committee is...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 759 c1599 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble and learned Baroness agree that if the regulations were agreed today, and therefor...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

The real issue is whether we are going to abrogate our own responsibility. Is this something whic...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 759 cc1600-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the bases of my noble friend Lord Deben’s amendment to the Motion is this questi...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 c1601 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just help the noble and learned Lord by saying that the thing that concerns me is Article 6...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 759 cc1601-2 (Link to this contribution)

So far as I have understood the European treaties, they do not confer an authority as yet to inte...

Baroness Hollins | 759 c1602 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I take a rather different view from some of my eminent medical colleagues. I have worke...

Lord Patel | 759 c1602 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the noble Baroness what experiments she would propose to determine that the children bo...

Baroness Hollins | 759 c1603 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think that intervention is very helpful as it is not relevant to the point I a...

Viscount Ridley | 759 c1603 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness made the point that heteroplasmy, and therefore the carryover of the diseased ...

Baroness Hollins | 759 c1603 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I do not think that is the point that I am trying to make. Maybe I am not being quite clea...

Lord Tebbit | 759 c1603 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Baroness not agree that there is only one absolutely safe way to ensure that this...

Baroness Hollins | 759 cc1603-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is a good point.

Supporters of the techniques simplify the impact of these proposed pr...

Lord Ribeiro | 759 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard from legal and medical experts. I am happy to say that I am not an academ...

Lord Ribeiro | 759 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

In Oldham—quite right. From that one invention, nearly 5 million children have been born who othe...

Lord McAvoy | 759 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord seems to be saying that there is no difference between IVF and the mitochondrial p...

Lord Ribeiro | 759 cc1605-6 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Lord’s point. If I wanted to, I could explain why this is not an issue. One poin...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 c1606 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. Before he moves on, I want to speak to his point about adoption....

Lord Ribeiro | 759 cc1606-7 (Link to this contribution)

It was made very clear by the noble Lord, Lord Patel, and others that the need for the two techni...

Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 759 cc1607-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I come to this debate without any expert legal or medical experience or perspective. As...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 759 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a rule of this House that only one person speaks at one time. I ask noble Lords t...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 c1609 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the House. Although of course I have ethical objections to the regulat...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 cc1609-1610 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and so it should, as the noble Baroness says. However, why are they not being taken together...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 759 c1610 (Link to this contribution)

As a point of fact—and I hope that the government Chief Whip will agree with me—we would have deb...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 cc1610-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad to hear what the noble Baroness, Lady Farrington, has said to us today. It is important...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 759 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, I am not going to get to speak this evening, so I ask the noble Lord a very simple quest...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 cc1612-3 (Link to this contribution)

I serve on my own university’s ethics committee, which looks at the use of animals in experiments...

Baroness Barker | 759 cc1613-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since 1990, this Parliament, and, in particular, this House, has shown the rest of the ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 759 cc1614-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I sense that the House wants to come to a decision.

Just over 14 years ago, I ask...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 c1616 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Earl starts his speech, may I apologise to the House? The noble Lord, ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 759 c1616 (Link to this contribution)

It would be right to say that the Lord Chancellor is not a Law Officer of the Crown.

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 c1616 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is why, having been told that it was the two Law Officers, I came to the conclusio...

Earl Howe | 759 c1617 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I fully expected, this has been a debate of very high quality, with a range of views...

Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 759 c1617 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Earl equally confident that the regulations are compliant with the European directiv...

Earl Howe | 759 c1617 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I can make an unequivocal statement that all the legal advice I have received i...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 759 c1618 (Link to this contribution)

In the context of the horizontal articles of the charter, Articles 51 and 52, have the Government...

Earl Howe | 759 cc1618-1620 (Link to this contribution)

I can only say again that the legal advice I have had is that the charter cuts in only when there...

Lord Elton | 759 c1620 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend leaves the question of risk, may I ask him to close a little chink in the ...

Earl Howe | 759 cc1620-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can confirm to my noble friend, and to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, who asked a similar...

Lord Deben | 759 cc1621-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if ever anyone questions the value of this House, this evening proves it. It has been a...

Lord Winston | 759 c1624 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord does that, I wonder whether he would consider this point very seriously for...

Lord Deben | 759 c1625 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to prolong this but the fact is that the human embryology committee and the terms u...

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