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Recall of MPs Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 10 February 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Wallace of Saltaire.
Lords report stage. (Part 1 of 2.)
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
759 cc1121-1177 
Session
2014-15
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Recall of MPs Bill 2014-15. As amended in Committee.
Monday, 19 January 2015
Bills
House of Lords
The standards system in the House of Commons.
Tuesday, 3 February 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Recall of MPs Bill
Tuesday, 10 February 2015
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1121 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert—...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 cc1121-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 1, I shall also speak to Amendment 15. Together these amendments, t...


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Lord Grocott | 759 c1123 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is the job of Parliament and this House to be clear in our language as far as possib...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 759 c1123 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been a little confused by this as well. I imagined that when people signed the p...

Lord Cormack | 759 c1123 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to delay my noble friend; I shall not do so for more than a moment or two. I...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 cc1123-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, for that very brief Second Reading speech, and I ...

Baroness Corston | 759 c1124 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way. I think he just said that there were safeguard...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 cc1124-5 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that I will be able to explain, as I continue, what some of the safeguards against intimid...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 759 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am puzzled by what the Minister just said: that signing a petition is somehow—what wa...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank those who contributed to this short, but very important, debate. The Minister r...

Lord Tyler | 759 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tyler

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 13, leave out from “offence” to “, and”...

Lord Tyler | 759 cc1125-1131 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to Amendment 3 in my name and those of my noble friends Lord Lexden a...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 cc1131-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to retain the second trigger, and it is only on that matter that I part company ...

Lord Norton of Louth | 759 cc1133-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 2 and 3, to which, as my noble friend said, I am a signatory. They...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 cc1134-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 2 and 3, which have been spoken to by the noble Lords, Lord Tyler and Lord N...

Bishop of Chester | 759 c1135 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly on this. I think that it is a mistake to play off these conditions...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 759 cc1135-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will briefly comment on the speech of the noble Lord, Lord Norton. I may be mistaken but he see...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 759 c1137 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, my noble friend Lord Maxton is complimentary to me. But, immediately recall becomes a re...

Lord Lexden | 759 cc1137-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was glad to add my name to the amendments tabled by my noble friend Lord Tyler. As my...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene on the noble Lord. He may not have the answer to my question—I perfectly ...

Lord Lexden | 759 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord suggested, I will leave that to my noble friend Lord Tyler, as a former Member ...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 759 cc1139-1141 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, am a signatory to these amendments. It is a pleasure to follow the noble Lords,...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 cc1140-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always fun to watch the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, having a go at his own side and a...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 cc1142-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this debate has ranged very widely. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, for ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

The report does not suggest that they should have a vote.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 cc1143-4 (Link to this contribution)

Page 6 of the report states:

“We believe self-regulation, with external input, is the appro...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Government provide their response to the Standards Committee’s report before they procee...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will certainly take that back and see what the Government can do. I hope that I have ...

Lord Tyler | 759 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask my noble friend, with his very important noble friends on the Front Bench, to give the ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we intend to proceed to Third Reading with all deliberate speed. The House will, of cou...

Lord Tyler | 759 cc1144-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all Members who have contributed to this debate. I wish that we had ha...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Campbell-Savours

4: Clause 1, page 2, line 4, leave out “10” and insert...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 cc1145-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Taylor of Bolton, for her preparedness to take on my a...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 cc1147-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours spoke compellingly on this issue at Second Readin...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc1149-1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may briefly intervene. It seems extraordinary that in rising to support the G...

Lord Soley | 759 cc1150-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is entirely right that the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, has drawn attention to the real problem u...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, you will not be surprised that we do not support these amendments for the reasons given...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Baroness explain where the other half of MPs were?

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, will not appreciate that on a one-line Whip an awful lot...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

It was a joke. It is called irony. It does not work in Hansard; maybe it could use italics. I was...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 c1152 (Link to this contribution)

While my noble friend is celebrating the virtues of House of Commons procedure, will she recognis...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1152 (Link to this contribution)

I really do not think it is for me to tell the House of Commons how best to call its votes. What ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 c1152 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, triggering the opening of a recall after a 10-day suspension rather than 20 or 21 days ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 c1152 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is missing the point of my contribution. The climate has completely changed. Do no...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

I take on board the noble Lord’s deep concern for the strain on the members of the Standards Comm...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

I have had a rather difficult few weeks. I have had all sorts of discussions with colleagues abou...

Lord Soley | 759 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

I again ask the Minister to think this through. The House of Commons has produced a report that h...

Lord Soley | 759 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a desirable principle to proceed on legislation in conflict with that. The noble Lord, ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 759 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome interventions on my wind-up, although I do not want to delay the House. I appeal to Min...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gardiner of Kimble

7: Clause 3, page 3, line 30, after “within” insert ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 cc1154-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 7 and 8 make a small change to Clause 3 which details the appeal period that...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 c1155 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gardiner of Kimble

8: Clause 3, page 3, line 39, after “within” insert ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 c1155 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gardiner of Kimble

9: Clause 4, page 5, line 4, at end insert—

“(...

Lord Dubs | 759 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dubs

10: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—

“Electi...

Lord Dubs | 759 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we debated an amendment in Committee to deal with this matter. Put simply, the problem ...

Lord Grocott | 759 cc1156-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment, which is milder than the one we considered in Comm...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 759 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that the power of the electorate has already been pre-empted in the fir...

Lord Grocott | 759 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

What the noble Baroness said is right to the extent that the whole mechanism of this Bill is doin...

Lord Norton of Louth | 759 c1158 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with this amendment, and the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, has co...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1158 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as my noble friends have spelt out, the Bill raises the interesting question not just o...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 cc1158-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, behind this issue are some large questions about the role of election courts and the se...

Lord Dubs | 759 cc1159-1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am disappointed in the Minister’s reply because he has not really faced the point tha...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gardiner of Kimble

11: Clause 7, page 6, line 23, leave out “4” and ins...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 cc1160-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would increase the number of signing places that a petition officer can ...

Lord Tyler | 759 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to see that my noble friends have been able to respond to the views expr...

Lord Norton of Louth | 759 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, very much welcome this amendment. It is a step in the right direction. I have j...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to be a little more generous than the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, and thank the Minister f...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful for the generous comments that have been made. As I said, this has c...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Howarth of Newport

12: Clause 9, page 7, line 16, leave out “8” and ins...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 cc1162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 12 would reduce the signing period from eight weeks to three weeks. It is int...

Lord Soley | 759 c1163 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has been talking about MPs who have disgraced themselves. Clearly, that is the or...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 c1164 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my noble friend. The process provided for in the Bill would allow for the intrusion ...

Lord Grocott | 759 cc1164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my observation is simply on the practicalities of this. I do not know what would happen...

Lord Soley | 759 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

I want to emphasise what I said in my intervention. Bear in mind that when Bobby Sands starved hi...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 759 cc1165-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House for long, but would the Minister like to say exactly ...

Lord Tyler | 759 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

I was enormously impressed with the noble Lord’s very dramatic introduction of his amendment. Per...

Lord Norton of Louth | 759 cc1166-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment for the reasons we discussed in Committee. I argued then...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 759 cc1167-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Howarth of Newport has made a good case for considering whether an...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 cc1168-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord for tabling this amendment; we have had a very int...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 759 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that one of the problems of an eight-week period is that someone who sig...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 cc1169-1170 (Link to this contribution)

Another interpretation is that if you have too rushed an arrangement and want to vote by post, al...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 cc1170-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to everybody who has spoken and certainly to all who have expressed ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 759 c1171 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think I am in a position to give an undertaking. The truth is that thought sho...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 759 c1171 (Link to this contribution)

I completely understand that the noble Lord is not in a position to give a solid undertaking that...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 c1171 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

13: Clause 9, page 7, line 22, leave out subsectio...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 cc1171-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 13 and 14 are in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hayter of Kentish ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 cc1172-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it seems to me that the horse is actually before the cart. The noble Baroness, Lady Hay...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 c1173 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his response. I still think it is an odd way to be moving forward. I a...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 c1173 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

16: Clause 9, page 7, line 35, at end insert—

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Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 cc1173-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the two amendments in this group are in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hayter...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 c1174 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very happy to confirm that the Government’s intention is that the regulations will...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 c1174 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I am reassured and am happy to withdraw the amendment.

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Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 c1174 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

17: Clause 10, page 8, line 12, at end insert—

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Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 cc1174-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 17, 19 and 20 again are in my name and the name of my noble friend Lady Hayt...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 759 cc1175-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for again raising these issues, which we have discussed in Commi...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 759 c1176 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I hope that outside the Chamber we may be able to have som...

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