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Criminal Justice and Courts Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 9 December 2014, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Faulks.
Lords consideration of Commons reasons and amendments. Lords amendment 74 insisted on and agreed to on division (304 votes to 240). Lords amendments 97 to 102 not insisted on, and amendment 102B in lieu agreed to on division (274 votes to 205). Lords amendments 103 to 106 insisted on and agreed to on division (210 votes to 192). Lords amendment 107 not insisted on, and Commons amendments in lieu agreed to, with a Lords amendment to insist, disagreed to on division (160 votes to 190). Committee appointed to propose reasons for insisting on amendments. Reasons proposed and agreed to. Bill returned to the Commons with reasons and an amendment.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
757 cc1714-1783 
Session
2014-15
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Lords amendments and Commons amendments
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Faulks | 757 c1715 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1715-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as noble Lords will be aware, the other place was not persuaded last week by the amendm...


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Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 757 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

On an important point at this juncture and before he goes any further, will the Minister give an ...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1716-7 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give that reassurance. I hope noble Lords will none the less welcome this signific...

Lord Ramsbotham | 757 cc1717-1720 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, once again I admire the skilful advocacy of the Minister, this time in his presentation...

Lord Beecham | 757 cc1720-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unlike the Minister and the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, whose vast experience of the c...

Earl of Listowel | 757 c1722 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish I could support the Minister. I am most grateful to him for all he has done rece...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 757 c1722 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a patron of a secure unit in Exeter, the Atkinson unit, which at the moment has tr...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 757 cc1723-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the arguments on this issue have already been well developed today by other noble Lords...

Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 757 c1724 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, largely because since this House last discus...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 757 cc1724-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will ask the Minister three short questions, but before I do, perhaps I may give a little reass...

Lord Glenarthur | 757 cc1725-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not taken a deeply close interest in what this amendment is about until I listene...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 757 c1726 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not understand to which procedure the noble Lord referred. I can see no example of...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 757 cc1726-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether my noble friend the Minister could add two further questions to the th...

Baroness Benjamin | 757 c1727 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would briefly like to speak on Motion A1, which would ensure that girls and younger c...

Lord Elton | 757 cc1727-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was the Minister responsible for the police and the probation service for one year, a...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 757 c1728 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Elton, on what he has said and the courage that he ...

Baroness Ludford | 757 c1728 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will the Minister briefly explain precisely why the Government feel unable to take the ...

Baroness Afshar | 757 c1729 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is the Minister aware that teenagers and pre-teenagers are the most racist groups, part...

Lord Storey | 757 c1729 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not speaking before but I have faced two family bereavements. The Gover...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1729 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a lengthy debate in which we have had some important contributions from a...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 757 c1729 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend but he has plainly misunderstood what I was saying. I am ...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1730 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that correction or clarification by the noble Lord. It is important to remember...

Earl of Listowel | 757 c1730 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. I have heard him make this assurance previously. I ...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1730-1 (Link to this contribution)

These institutions are important. Those who have seen the plans will appreciate that they are bri...

Lord Richard | 757 c1732 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I plead guilty to the indictment framed by the noble Lord of not having taken part in a...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1732 (Link to this contribution)

As I indicated, there are inspectorates —HM Inspectorate of Prisons, Ofsted, the Youth Justice Bo...

Lord Glenarthur | 757 c1732 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, perhaps he would reconsider the issue of whether it i...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 757 c1732 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before my noble friend answers that question, will he confirm to my noble friend Lord G...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1732 (Link to this contribution)

I thought that I had made it reasonably clear that there will be the laying of the report. That i...

Lord Ramsbotham | 757 cc1732-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his summing up but, as he will no doubt understa...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 757 c1739 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, will he be so kind as to give a little more information about t...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1739 (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not have any statistics, I am afraid.

Motion B1

Lord Pannick | 757 cc1739-1741 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister. His door has been open in recent weeks to discuss m...

Lord Beecham | 757 cc1740-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a measure of the importance of the matters that we are now debating, and upon whi...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 757 c1743 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way, and I know that what he is saying is being said i...

Lord Beecham | 757 c1743 (Link to this contribution)

It is, of course, entirely a matter of conscience for the noble Lord and others, and I would not ...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 757 cc1743-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Motion B1 in the name of my noble friend Lord Pannick. Noble Lords will know ...

Lord Woolf | 757 cc1744-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always important to listen to what is said by the noble Baroness, Lady Campbell o...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1745 (Link to this contribution)

I am only interrupting to agree absolutely with what the noble and learned Lord said. The Ministe...

Lord Woolf | 757 cc1745-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for making that clear. I was not aware that the Lord Chancellor had...

Lord Deben | 757 cc1747-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to disappoint the noble Lord opposite but it does not need to be a partic...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way on this point. I said that I had no statistics; I...

Lord Deben | 757 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened carefully to the examples that my noble friend put forward, but has he any more? ...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord had looked at the website in which all the examples were set out in the build-u...

Lord Deben | 757 cc1748-1750 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that most of my noble friends, and noble Lords generally, have seen those examples. I h...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 757 c1750 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not detain the House for more than a few minutes. I listened carefully to the la...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 757 c1751 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Geoffrey Cox, a Conservative Member of Parliament, asked the Secretary of State for Justice wh...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 757 cc1751-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Deben, and the noble Baroness, Lady Campbell of Surbiton, I s...

Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers | 757 cc1752-3 (Link to this contribution)

The amendment proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, will do no more than bring the law into a...

Lord Cormack | 757 c1753 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support what my noble friend Lord Deben said in a truly remarkable, powerful...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 757 cc1753-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I intervened on the Minister and asked for the evidence or indications to underpin...

Lord Horam | 757 cc1754-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may add an element of balance to this debate, although balance may not be exa...

Lord Cormack | 757 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

Is my noble friend really saying that the legitimate environmental concerns of people who have mi...

Lord Horam | 757 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, but the point about judicial review is that it is a technical discussion about the proces...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 757 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord really suggesting that the whole planning appeals procedure should be abandoned...

Lord Horam | 757 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

I am personally aware from my experience in this House and as the former Member of Parliament for...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 757 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

I want to challenge the noble Lord. Is he saying in this House that Travellers do not have the ri...

Lord Horam | 757 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

No. What I am saying is that the judicial reviews raised by Travellers in Bromley were ultimately...

Lord Deben | 757 c1756 (Link to this contribution)

I have taken advantage of now being able to look up online in this House the suggestions as to wh...

Lord Horam | 757 c1756 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot comment on a churlish Government interfering more and more in the minutiae of daily life...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 757 c1756 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make one simple point. Even if the noble Lord is right that there are some cases of abu...

Lord Horam | 757 c1756 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely why, as I understand it, my noble friend is introducing in a later amendment a ...

Lord Woolf | 757 c1756 (Link to this contribution)

That is not correct on the first amendment. There is no qualification being introduced by the Gov...

Lord Horam | 757 c1757 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree. I said on a later clause. Here, we are dealing with a situation where the actual...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 757 cc1757-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have repeatedly characterised this clause as being concerned with cases involving ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 757 c1758 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the question in this particular amendment is a simple one. The courts have developed la...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1759-1760 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin my concluding remarks, which will be short, by saying how much I agree with muc...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 757 c1760 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I wish to ask one question: how does he answer the second part of ...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1760 (Link to this contribution)

It is a matter entirely for the House. The whole of the speech was before the House of Commons. I...

Lord Pannick | 757 cc1760-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister. He has been put in a quite impossible position, not...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1765-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to Clause 65 and its sister clause, Clause 66. As introduced, Clause 65 wou...

Lord Pannick | 757 c1767 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments that were approved on Report by your Lordships’ House by a majority of 3...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1767 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Perhaps he could assist the House by saying ...

Lord Pannick | 757 c1768 (Link to this contribution)

I would suggest that one should look up the average cost of a judicial review application and say...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 757 cc1768-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, throughout the passage of the Bill, my concern with these clauses has been that they wo...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 757 c1769 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had understood the Government’s proposed amendment as conferring power on the rule co...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 757 c1770 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened, of course with enormous respect, to the noble and learned Lord who has...

Lord Rooker | 757 c1771 (Link to this contribution)

I am a complete outsider on this, but I am now confused. The examples that the noble Lord has giv...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 757 c1771 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Rooker, has, extremely uncharacteristically, if I may say so, missed the poi...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 757 c1771 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord is quite right. In my experience—which I am sorry to say is rather large...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 757 cc1771-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am moved to continue with Wales because I acted for my community—the Gresford communi...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 757 cc1772-3 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to support the Motion of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, and resist the Minister’s Motion on...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1773-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very useful debate. The questions of the information available to judge...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 757 c1775 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I understand Clause 65, it involves an insertion into Section 31(3) of the Senior Co...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1775 (Link to this contribution)

That is entirely correct. The discretion would exist on whether to award costs. This is the discr...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 757 c1775 (Link to this contribution)

I have two questions for the Minister. First, will he clarify that the figures for claimants’ cos...

Lord Faulks | 757 c1775 (Link to this contribution)

In answer to my noble friend’s first question, I did use the word “straightforward” and that is e...

Lord Pannick | 757 cc1775-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a really puzzling matter. The Minister accepts that a threshold figure should b...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1780-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 67 concerns those who intervene voluntarily in a judicial review and would see t...

Lord Pannick | 757 c1782 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be brief, given the time, given that your Lordships’ House has debated this iss...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1782-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been a short debate. The issues have been fully covered at previous debates and ...

Lord Pannick | 757 c1783 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is not an acceptable compromise for the Government to bring forward a clause, with a...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc1733-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we turn to Part 4 of the Bill, and specifically the clause concerning procedural defect...

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