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Criminal Justice and Courts Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 20 October 2014, in the House of Lords.
Lords report stage (first day). Clause 10 amendment, disagreed to on division (80 to 170). New clause disagreed to on division (80 to 106). Other amendments agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
756 cc434-546 
Session
2014-15
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Criminal Justice and Courts Bill 2013-14 to 2014-15. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 30 July 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2014-1324
Monday, 20 October 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Beecham | 756 c434 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

1: Clause 3, page 4, line 43, at end insert—

“(13) Before...

Lord Beecham | 756 cc434-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 8. Amendment 1 is by way of a sunrise clause that would...


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Lord Woolf | 756 c437 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I disclose that I am the chairman of the Prison Reform Trust, which, as the noble Lord,...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc437-441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf, for t...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 756 c442 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know whether the Minister’s amendment has been called. I rise just to say that...

Lord Faulks | 756 c442 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had something of a trailer from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, and I d...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 756 c442 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make one very small point about the Government’s proposals, which is mainly t...

Lord Beecham | 756 cc442-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his typically clear exposition of the Government’s po...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 756 c443 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ashton of Hyde

2: Schedule 1, page 82, line 31, leave out from “Act” to...

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 756 cc443-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 2, 3 and 101 make minor changes to correct an inconsistency in the current l...

Lord Beecham | 756 c445 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the noble Lord, Lord Ashton of Hyde—more Jekyll than Hyde, I would have thoug...

Lord Faulks | 756 c445 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

3: Schedule 1, page 83, line 11, leave out from “Act” to end of ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c446 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

6: Clause 7, page 6, line 33, at end insert—<...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c446 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 6 is an extremely modest amendment. Your Lordships will appreciate that Claus...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 756 c446 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak in favour of the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Marks, but to slight...

Lord Beecham | 756 cc447-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Bill extends electric monitoring, a procedure which thus far has proved problematic...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc448-450 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. Perhaps I should b...

Lord Beecham | 756 c450 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister indicate whether there will be consultation on those proposals, and with whom?...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc450-1 (Link to this contribution)

I hope to come to that in a moment.

As was explained in Committee, the code will not only e...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c451 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in relation to Amendment 6, I accept my noble friend’s point that it is for the Secreta...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc451-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

9: Before Clause 8, insert the following new Clause—

“Reca...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc452-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

10: Clause 8, page 7, line 41, after “(4)” insert “—

(i) ”...

Lord Faulks | 756 c453 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

38: Clause 9, page 10, line 25, leave out “Board” and insert “re...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 756 c453 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lloyd of Berwick

39: Clause 10, page 11, line 2, after “(prisoners)” in...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 756 cc454-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment relates to a group of 650 prisoners serving indeterminate sentences for ...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 756 cc456-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in over half a century in the law, inevitably one comes across a number of injustices i...

Lord Ramsbotham | 756 c458 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I pay tribute to my noble and leaned friend, Lord Lloyd, for his tireless pursuit of th...

Lord Hurd of Westwell | 756 cc458-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this House is quite accustomed to criminal justice legislation and in debates of this k...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 756 c459 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard three very powerful speeches from noble Lords—and noble and learned Lords...

Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers | 756 c459 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the unhappy cohort of prisoners to which this amendment relates linger in prison years ...

Lord Wigley | 756 cc459-460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for having missed the first two minutes of the speech of the noble and lear...

Bishop of Rochester | 756 c460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I stand here as someone who does not share the professional knowledge that some have sh...

Lord Woolf | 756 c460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I pay credit to the speeches that have already been made from all sides of the House, i...

Lord Dear | 756 c460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, coming from a background in policing many years ago, it might be thought by those who i...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 756 c460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully support the argument adduced by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd. It goes...

Lord Beecham | 756 c461 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join other noble Lords in paying particular tribute to the noble and learned Lord, Lo...

Lord Wigley | 756 c462 (Link to this contribution)

If this formulation does not meet the requirements, why has the Labour Party not put forward its ...

Lord Beecham | 756 c462 (Link to this contribution)

Because the Act to which we have already referred gives the Secretary of State the power to do ex...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc462-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an excellent and very well informed debate, with contributions from sourc...

Lord Woolf | 756 c466 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I wonder whether he can help me on one matter. Does he accept th...

Lord Faulks | 756 c466 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that there have been certain delays in providing all the courses that might have been pr...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 756 cc466-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret to say that I do not find the Minister’s reply satisfactory in any way, no mor...

Lord Faulks | 756 c469 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

40: Clause 14, page 15, line 17, at end insert—

“( ) In se...

Lord Beecham | 756 c469 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

41: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause—

“St...

Lord Beecham | 756 cc469-471 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment addresses the problem of stopping and searching children below the age o...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc471-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for setting out his amendment so clearly...

Lord Beecham | 756 c473 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I shall not ask the House to divide on the a...

Baroness Meacher | 756 c473 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Meacher

42: Clause 19, page 18, line 3, leave out “It is an offence...

Baroness Meacher | 756 cc473-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 43A, which takes the place of Amendment 43 on the Marsh...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 756 cc476-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for coming in just after my noble friend Lady Meacher had started speaking,...

Lord Winston | 756 cc477-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope I will be forgiven a short interjection on the amendment, which I fully support,...

Baroness Thornton | 756 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a sense of deja vu facing the Minister on this matter again, along with the two ...

Earl Howe | 756 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to the debate on these important new of...

Baroness Meacher | 756 c480 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Earl explain what he means by “will not bite”? He seems to be saying that the docto...

Earl Howe | 756 cc481-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that at all. There is already a range of possible offences. If a patient, or a me...

Baroness Barker | 756 c482 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened at considerable length to the arguments put by the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, a...

Earl Howe | 756 c482 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is Report stage so I shall be brief, but I am grateful to my noble friend for the ...

Baroness Meacher | 756 c482 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I do not believe that offences for GPs and other doctors i...

Earl Howe | 756 c483 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to disappoint the noble Baroness but I cannot undertake to agree that the Government’s...

Baroness Meacher | 756 c483 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the noble Earl is saying but we need to discuss how we take this forward and wh...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc483-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

44: Before Schedule 3, insert the following new Schedule—

...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc484-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

47: Clause 21, page 20, line 34, at end insert—

“( ) A per...

Lord Beecham | 756 c485 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

51: Before Clause 25, insert the following new Clause—

“I...

Lord Beecham | 756 cc485-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 51 relates to identity theft, which is a growing problem, particularly in thi...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc486-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government recognise that there are significant challenges in dealing with the many...

Lord Beecham | 756 c487 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps it might be a job for the Minister.

Lord Faulks | 756 cc487-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am flattered by the suggestion. However, whether it is done by me, an official or anyone else, ...

Lord Faulks | 756 c488 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

53: Clause 25, page 23, leave out line 13 and insert—

“(3)...

Earl of Lytton | 756 c491 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Lytton

57: Clause 25, page 23, line 21, at end insert—

“( ...

Earl of Lytton | 756 cc491-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at Second Reading I queried whether we did not have laws enough to deal with police cor...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 756 c493 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very quick. The amendment in the name of the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, seems v...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc493-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, am grateful to the noble Earl for bringing these matters to the attention of th...

Earl of Lytton | 756 c494 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that extensive reply and the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for the...

Lord Faulks | 756 c494 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

58: Clause 25, page 24, line 5, leave out “England and Wales or ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c495 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

60: Clause 27, page 24, line 35, leave out “1...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 cc495-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, our amendments in this group on Clause 27 regarding compulsory custodial sentences for ...

Baroness Berridge | 756 c497 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly on the amendment proposed by my noble friend Lord Marks. First, o...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 cc497-8 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend gets on to her third point regarding 16 and 17 year-olds, may I just ask h...

Baroness Berridge | 756 c498 (Link to this contribution)

No. In relation to the likely impact, my point was whether that is considered under the requireme...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 756 cc498-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of my noble friend Lord Marks and will make two points. First, over ...

Earl of Listowel | 756 cc499-500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Marks. Before doing so, I join in his t...

Lord Paddick | 756 c500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly in support of my noble friend Lord Marks’s amendment. In particular, I w...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 756 cc500-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames, seeks to t...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc501-2 (Link to this contribution)

As noble Lords will be aware from previous discussion on this matter in Committee, this clause wa...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c502 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to interrupt. My noble friend knows full well that that section merely requires the co...

Baroness Browning | 756 c502 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

61: Clause 27, page 24, line 36, leave out from “had” to e...

Baroness Browning | 756 cc502-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I apologise to the House that I was not present when your Lordships discussed th...

Baroness Berridge | 756 c504 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although my noble friend Lady Browning states that she is not a lawyer, I think that sh...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 756 c504 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments raises important issues, just as we saw with the previous grou...

Lord Faulks | 756 c504 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to disappoint the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, and the House but I am unable to respond i...

Baroness Browning | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful—that is, I think I am grateful. This is a serious subject and it is ...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

Is it your Lordships’ pleasure that this amendment be withdrawn?

Baroness Browning | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I am not withdrawing the amendment.

Baroness Pitkeathley | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

The amendment has already been moved and the Minister has responded, so it is for the noble Baron...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before my noble friend formally concludes speaking to the amendment in response to the ...

Lord Faulks | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

The Government’s position has not changed. Parliamentary counsel assisted the noble Baroness in m...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness wish to withdraw her amendment or seek the opinion of the House?

Baroness Browning | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Browning | 756 c505 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

62: Clause 27, page 25, line 1, leave out from beginning t...

Baroness Browning | 756 c506 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

65: Clause 27, page 25, line 5, after “offence” insert “, ...

Baroness Browning | 756 cc506-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

69: Clause 27, page 25, line 11, at end insert-—

“(2...

Baroness Browning | 756 c507 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

73: Clause 27, page 25, line 29, leave out from “had” to e...

Baroness Browning | 756 c507 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

77: Clause 27, page 25, line 40, after “offence” insert “,...

Baroness Browning | 756 c507 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

81: Clause 27, page 25, line 47, at end insert-—

“(6...

Baroness Browning | 756 c508 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

85: Clause 27, page 26, line 16, leave out from “had” to e...

Baroness Browning | 756 c508 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

89: Clause 27, page 26, line 27, after “offence” insert “,...

Baroness Browning | 756 c508 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Browning

93: Clause 27, page 26, line 34, at end insert—

“(5C...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 756 c508 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock

97: After Clause 28, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 756 cc508-512 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to move my amendment when the House and the Government are in such a content...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 756 c512 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may add one point which the union raised and which I think is the reason why ...

Lord Balfe | 756 cc512-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the principles of the amendment, which shows how belonging to a responsible u...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 756 c513 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to be able to support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Foulkes of Cumnock; it...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc513-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, would make it an...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 756 cc515-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in no way do I want to impugn the integrity, the sincerity or any other attribute of th...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 756 c516 (Link to this contribution)

Independent Labour. On the basis that they express some genuine concern, I should like to test th...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 cc516-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

98: After Clause 28, insert the following new...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 cc518-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 98 stands in my name and in the names of my noble friends Lady Grender, Lady ...

Baroness Brinton | 756 cc519-521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have my name to Amendment 98 and wish to echo the points made by my noble frien...

Baroness Berridge | 756 c521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the arguments made by my noble friends in relation to this matter. I am pleas...

Baroness Thornton | 756 cc521-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to say that we on these Benches support these amendments. Some time ago my...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc522-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lord Marks, Lady Grender, Lady Brinton and Lady Barker for Ame...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c527 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in withdrawing Amendment 98, I simply say that I am grateful for my noble friend’s clar...

Lord Sharkey | 756 cc527-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharkey

99: After Clause 28, insert the following new Clause—

“Di...

Lord Sharkey | 756 cc528-530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in 2012 we passed the Protection of Freedoms Act, which allowed all those men convicted...

Lord Lexden | 756 c530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to support this amendment, just as I was very glad to support the previous ve...

Lord Beecham | 756 c530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, in supporting this amendment. I hope the Government...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc530-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Sharkey, for his continued concern and interest in this ma...

Lord Sharkey | 756 cc531-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply and am grateful for the progress that we have been able to mak...

Baroness Berridge | 756 cc532-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Berridge

100: Before Schedule 4, insert the following new Schedule—...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc535-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

101: Before Clause 29, insert the following new Clause—

“E...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 c539 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

106A: After Clause 31, insert the following n...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 cc539-542 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group comprises Amendments 106A to 106D and 181A and is the last group at the end ...

Lord Beecham | 756 c542 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, were any other Members present, they might share my bewilderment at being faced at a ve...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc542-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, often sounds ministerial, and from comments that he may h...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 756 cc544-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say at the outset that I entirely accept the point made by both the Minister and the ...

Lord Beecham | 756 cc488 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had rather anticipated that disappointing response. Again, the Minister has concentra...

Lord Faulks | 756 cc488-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

52: Clause 25, page 23, line 7, after “constable” insert “listed...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 756 cc489-490 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is important that we put on record how much we support the police service. We are ve...

Lord Faulks | 756 c490 (Link to this contribution)

I think I understand the queries of the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, to be focused not so much on th...

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