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Moved by
Lord True
3A: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—
“Royal ...
My Lords, I apologise for not having contributed at Second Reading. I had put my name down to spe...
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My Lords, I will be brief. I am sure that the Minister will give good answers to the questions ra...
My Lords, I share some of the concerns expressed by my noble friend Lord True. The plain fact is ...
My Lords, I observe that this matter is outwith the terms of the Long Title. However, the Title h...
I thank my noble friend Lord True for the amendment and for the sensitive and thoughtful way in w...
My Lords, I hope that my noble and learned friend on the Front Bench will take time to consider t...
We will certainly reflect on this matter and I can assure my noble friend that considerable consi...
I accept that that is the current position. I hope that we shall be reassured if it remains the s...
My Lords, I am grateful to those who have participated in this short debate and apologise for the...
Moved by
Lord Cormack
4: Clause 2, page 1, line 7, at end insert “provided that agree...
My Lords, with Clause 2 we come to the kernel of the Bill. As your Lordships will know, that clau...
My Lords, I associate myself with the final few words of my noble friend Lord Cormack about the n...
My Lords, I support the objective of the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, althoug...
My Lords, I apologise for being unable to be here earlier, as I had a long-standing engagement, a...
My Lords, I have some sympathy with the objective of my noble friend Lord Cormack’s amendment, bu...
My Lords, I, too, much regret that I was unavoidably prevented from attending Second Reading but ...
The noble Lords, Lord Forsyth and Lord Deben, have both got very close to being the first Peers i...
My Lords, this has been a very good debate and, has just been mentioned, will inform a number of ...
My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Cormack for introducing this amendment. It has generated a...
What was the Government’s motivation in removing the prohibition on the heir to the Throne marryi...
My Lords, it was both. It was to allow someone in the line of succession to the Throne to marry a...
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend the Minister for his response, but not entirely convin...
Tabled by
Lord Trefgarne
5: Clause 2, page 1, line 8, leave out subsection (2)
My Lords, this amendment, together with Amendments 6 to 9, go to the very heart of the issue we h...
Moved by
Lord Trefgarne
10: Clause 2, page 1, line 10, at end insert—
“(6) In t...
My noble friend Lord Northbrook has attached his name to the amendment. It raises a slightly diff...
My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lord Trefgarne in his amendment. I first raised the i...
My Lords, I shall speak briefly to this amendment and pick up a point which my noble and learned ...
These amendments go to the heart of whether the present Anglican establishment in England can or ...
My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Trefgarne indicated in moving this amendment, this is one of th...
Before my noble and learned friend leaves that point, will he indicate whether the Government are...
My Lords, I am afraid that I will have to disappoint my noble friend in my answer. I do not belie...
Before the Minister sits down, perhaps I could help him on the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. E...
I apologise if I did not make myself clear. I did not mean to suggest that it was as Supreme Gove...
My noble friend Lord Forsyth asks why. I think that it raises some very interesting issues that h...
My Lords, the problem is that the noble Lord says this opens up greatly different avenues. Howeve...
With all respect to my noble friend, that is the reason why the Government have not gone down thi...
My Lords, by ignoring the amendment of the noble Lords, Lord Cormack and Lord Trefgarne, it seems...
This is not leaving it to chance. The law as it stands at the moment is quite clear that a Cathol...
My Lords, the problem was articulated at Second Reading, and I do not wish to extend this debate ...
My Lords, before my noble friend Lord Trefgarne replies, perhaps I may pick up on a point where I...
My Lords, I had not appreciated this until my noble and learned friend said it: he said that not ...
I would like to add a word. There is a real danger that we are treating exceptionally complex mat...
My Lords, I have already responded to the point from the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, and indicate...
My Lords, at the end of Second Reading a week or so ago, when the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wa...
Moved by
Lord Trefgarne
11: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—
“R...
I do not intend to speak to this amendment at any length. We have covered some of its detail, alt...
My Lords, the position with regard to this amendment is very similar. It is a different structure...
I understand what my noble and learned friend is saying. However, the amendment that I now propos...
Moved by
Lord Lang of Monkton
12: Clause 3, page 1, line 12, leave out “6” and insert...
My Lords, from the deep and turbulent waters of Clause 2, we move to the only slightly less troub...
My Lords, my Amendment 13 is in this group. I apologise to my noble friend Lord Lang of Monkton f...
My Lords, I have tabled Amendment 13A. I apologise for tabling it so late that it had to be added...
My Lords, I strongly support the amendment that my noble friend Lord Lang has explained so fully ...
My Lords, perhaps I may chuck a very small pebble into this debate. My noble friend Lord Lang gav...
My Lords, briefly, I support my noble friend Lord Lang, who has proposed a perfectly sensible ame...
My Lords, I would like to make a short intervention at this point; it is a serious point. We are ...
My Lords, I start by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Lang, for his historical insight. As a mere co...
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, pointed out that families tend to be smaller, but we l...
My Lords, my name is on the amendment but all the arguments were made in a compelling speech by m...
My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Lang for this amendment, and not least for the way in whic...
My Lords, what representations have the Government had from anyone about their lives being imping...
We have not had the representations that one would expect to receive. I suspect that under the pr...
My Lords, I know that my noble and learned friend has a job to do, and that is to get this Bill t...
Perhaps I may finish my argument before he denounces or deals with it. Queen Victoria would then ...
I apologise if my noble friend misunderstood me; I said that no one whom he mentioned, who had go...
If I burned the night oil I might be able to find an example. What my noble friend says simply un...
Moved by
Lord Elton
13A: Clause 3, page 1, line 20, leave out “from the marriage”
...My Lords, my attention was drawn to the subject of my amendment by my interest in the apparent ha...
My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Elton for his amendment, which gives me a welcome opportun...
To argue that it did not take up the time and to try and present this as treating an important co...
Perhaps I may add to my noble friend Lord Forsyth’s comments. At least 17 amendments were put dow...
Unlike in your Lordships’ House, where every amendment tabled can be debated, amendments are sele...
I shall belatedly put my question about what my noble and learned friend was saying about the pas...
That is certainly my understanding. That is why we have the implementation clause. Even if we pas...
My Lords, as this is the realm in which the Queen is perceived as being principally the head, Sup...
My Lords, I will try to helpful. When we come to later amendments, if there is any further inform...
Is it a matter of interest in Canada, for instance, whether the number six, 12 or four appears in...
My Lords, I do not think that I have seen the Canadian legislation but, in as much as it is givin...
Why did the Government choose to go about this in this rather unconventional way? Why did the Exe...
My Lords, I do not necessarily accept that it is unconventional. If this Parliament had decided w...
Is my noble and learned friend saying that, because the Prime Minister has given that undertaking...
As a supplementary, could I ask whether having been amended in the Commons, the Bill now has to b...
On that subject, I may be able to assist. It depends on whether they passed Acts in the parliamen...
My Lords, different realms do it in different ways. To pick up the point of the noble Lord, Lord ...
I am most grateful to my noble and learned friend. Will he be kind enough to write to those of us...
Further to that and, in a sense, even more pertinent, if this Parliament should pass Report stage...
My Lords, my noble friend Lord Forsyth asked about being informed. Obviously, developments are in...
My Lords, I am much obliged to my noble and learned friend. I think that my noble friend Lord Cor...
Moved by
Lord Trefgarne
15: Clause 3, page 2, line 16, at end insert—
“(7) No c...
My Lords, this is a probing amendment. I am anxious to know—I believe that others may be as well—...
My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Trefgarne for raising an issue which I think he raised at ...
My Lords, as I said earlier, is it not the case that in the early 1830s Augustus d'Este, the son ...
My Lords, I hope that between now and the next stage the noble and learned Lord may on reflection...
I shall certainly reflect on it further. It will not come as a surprise to my noble friend that t...
I do not wish to detain the House, but I think the contention of the gentleman concerned was that...
If I may say so to my noble and learned friend, there is clearly scope for some further reflectio...
Moved by
Lord Trefgarne
16: Clause 5, page 2, line 29, leave out subsection (2) and i...
My Lords, under the Bill as it is presently before us, I refer to subsection (2) of Clause 5, whi...
My Lords, although not entirely relevant to the amendment, it would be very helpful if when my no...
My Lords, the two amendments in this group would give us an alternative way of bringing the Bill’...
Perhaps I may draw the Minister’s attention to something of which I have already given him notice...
My Lords, I think that that falls outside the terms of the amendment. If I could return to my nob...
My Lords, I was quite struck by an argument that my noble and learned friend used in an earlier a...
My Lords, my queries actually applied to Amendment 17, which I think is grouped with this one.
My Lords, what has been said about the Deputy Prime Minister, for whom I share respect, is valid:...
My Lords, I would like to say a few words about Amendment 17, which I believe is grouped with thi...
My Lords, this picks up on some issues that were debated earlier. I should clarify that the reaso...
I certainly was not involved in any lunches.
The noble Lord may not have been involved in any lunches but I think that he was involved in effo...
My Lords, I am happy to accept that and I am sure that my noble and learned friend means what he ...
My Lords, I repeat that I have not heard about any referendums. The Council of Australian Governm...
Under Section 28 of the Constitution Act in Australia, the proposed law should be submitted in ea...
As I indicated, it is up to each country to do it. We are not telling each country what to do and...
I need to be absolutely certain that I understand what my noble and learned friend has been sayin...
My Lords, as I indicated on Second Reading, the intent is that it should be simultaneous commence...
I do not want to detain the House or split hairs but my noble and learned friend said, “If there ...
There is an agreement reached and it is up to each realm to implement the agreement. If that agre...
My noble and learned friend deserves a gold medal for patience and good, even temper. He is much ...
I apologise to my noble friend because I forgot about his point on that. The Future Business inde...
My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Moved by
Lord Northbrook
18: The Schedule, page 3, leave out lines 3 to 9
My Lords, we now move to the schedule to the Bill and another history lesson—the arcane matter of...
My Lords, as my noble friend said, the amendment removes the consequential amendments to the Trea...
I am grateful to the Minister for his reply and beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Moved by
Lord Northbrook
23: The Schedule, page 3, leave out lines 19 to 23
My Lords, I believe that the consequential amendment in the schedule is unnecessary, as it is alr...
My noble friend’s amendment removes the consequential amendments to the Regency Act, which are ne...
I am grateful to the Minister for his response, and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.