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Civil Aviation Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 7 November 2012, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Attlee.
Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 52).
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2012-13
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Earl Attlee | 740 c996 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

1: Clause 1, page 2, line 13, at end insert—

“(ca) the des...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc996-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 1, I shall speak also to Amendments 4, 7 and 9.

Aviation and ...


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Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c998 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

2: Clause 1, line 2, leave out “desirability of each h...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 cc998-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 2 seeks to amend the government amendment which the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, ...

Lord Trefgarne | 740 c999 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend has moved Amendment 1 and the noble Lord, Lord Davies, has moved Amendm...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c999 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was coming to that. The noble Lord has anticipated my very next sentence. It was nece...

Earl Cathcart | 740 cc999-1000 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am by and large happy with the government amendments in this group and will talk part...

Earl of Caithness | 740 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the House for not being able to take part in the Committee stage of this...

Countess of Mar | 740 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Davies. I have never found “desirability” in legislation...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the Minister in his amendments. Although one might be seduced into agreeing w...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 740 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my gratitude to that expressed by various Members of this House for the movement ...

Bishop of Chester | 740 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in this House I intermittently find that the words of St Augustine come to my mind: “Lo...

Lord Trefgarne | 740 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like most noble Lords I think that the amendment moved by my noble friend has gone a lo...

Lord Soley | 740 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, recognise and understand that the Minister has tried to meet concerns. In a way, the nobl...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1002-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, for his measured and eloquent explanatio...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the House if I was rather long-winded in the introduction, but as I was ...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, is very insistent and persuasive. He is clearly convinced ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am astonishingly grateful.

Baroness Worthington | 740 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

3: Clause 1, page 2, line 17, at end insert—

“( )...

Baroness Worthington | 740 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I praise the Government for listening and taking on board the very serious concerns we ...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 740 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

I find it quite astonishing that, as far as I know, the Bill makes no mention of greenhouse gas e...

Earl of Caithness | 740 cc1004-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not certain that I agree with the noble Baroness’s argument that the amendment sho...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1005-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her explanation of this amendment, which we deb...

Baroness Worthington | 740 c1006 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his considered response. There is a great sense that there is ...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1006 (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately, I can make no undertaking to come back on this at a later stage in the Bill.

Baroness Worthington | 740 c1006 (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Earl Attlee | 740 c1007 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

4: Clause 1, page 2, line 30, at end insert—

“(5A) For the...

Lord Stephen | 740 c1007 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stephen

5: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“CAA’...

Lord Stephen | 740 cc1007-8 (Link to this contribution)

This amendment is about the very important economic and social impact of air services. It is a ve...

Lord Soley | 740 cc1008-1010 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sympathetic to the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Stephen. Indeed, I have said on man...

Lord Empey | 740 cc1010-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it will come as no surprise that I am sympathetic to the amendment in the name of the n...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1011 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is fairly wide-ranging in calling for the CAA to,

“have regard to ...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1011-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Stephen for tabling the amendment, which provides us with ...

Lord Soley | 740 c1013 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that and the Minister is right, but I wonder if he could be absolutely clear. This p...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1013-4 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my Lords, I agree with the noble Lord’s analysis. Heathrow is one of the few airports runnin...

Lord Stephen | 740 cc1014-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that detailed and technical explanation. I understand the points that he...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 c1015 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rotherwick

6: Clause 2, page 2, line 37, after “air transport services”...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 cc1015-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 10 and to Amendment 11, which seeks to add a new clause...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 cc1017-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Rotherwick, is nothing if not persistent in his position with rega...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1018-1020 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Rotherwick for tabling these amendments and I admire his d...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for fully addressing my amendments—obviously, nowhere near to m...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

7: Clause 2, page 3, line 10, after “relates,” insert—

“(c...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

8: Clause 2, line 2, leave out “desirability of each h...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

9: Clause 2, page 3, line 24, at end insert—

“( ) For the ...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1021 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

12: Clause 9, page 8, line 19, after “to” insert “operator”

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1021-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 13 to 16, 20 to 22, 24 to 25, 27, 30 to 51, 59 and 65 ...

Lord Rosser | 740 cc1024-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister said that he would be speaking for 15 minutes, but he has obviously gone r...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1025 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

13: Clause 12, page 10, line 7, at end insert “, and

(b) a...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1025-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

14: Schedule 1, page 67, line 36, at end insert—

“Effect o...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1026 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

17: Clause 18, page 13, line 28, at end insert—

...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 cc1026-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 17 I shall also speak to the other three amendments in this group, ...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1027-1031 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his amusing and thorough explanation of the reasons behind h...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 cc1028-1032 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for that full answer. In fact, I did not actually raise the issue of bord...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

20: Clause 22, page 16, line 25, after “paragraphs” insert “6A,”...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

21: Schedule 2, page 72, line 36, at end insert—

“6A (1) S...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

22: Clause 66, page 40, line 12, leave out “, including the supp...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rotherwick

23: Clause 66, page 40, line 15, at end insert—

“( ) t...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 cc1032-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, by decoupling my earlier amendments I appreciate that the Minister may have addressed, ...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1034-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recognise that the amendments in this group propose to make further, explicit provisi...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise again for wrong-footing the Minister by decoupling this amendment. It obviously cause...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

24: Clause 67, page 41, line 27, at end insert—

“(8) For t...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

25: Clause 68, page 41, line 32, leave out “, including the supp...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

27: Clause 68, page 41, line 39, leave out “and (7)” and insert ...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1036 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

30: Schedule 8, page 97, line 13, leave out “Part 5 of”

31...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1036-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

35: Schedule 10, page 105, line 26, after “determination” insert...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1037 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

52: Clause 80, page 50, line 11, at end insert—

...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1037 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can move this amendment with some brevity. We have discussed the issue before, and I ...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1038-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully agree with the noble Lord that we all want to ensure that passengers are treate...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister and beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Rosser | 740 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

53: Clause 82, page 51, line 15, at end insert—

“(a) the i...

Lord Rosser | 740 cc1039-1040 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we considered this amendment and Amendment 54 in Committee. There is concern that there...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1040-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord raises an important point. It is vital that these issues are handled cor...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

The question I asked was not whether there were any outstanding issues still to be resolved but w...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know whether there are any significant outstanding issues. It depends on what ...

Lord Rosser | 740 cc1041-2 (Link to this contribution)

A significant outstanding issue would be one which might lead to a damaging loss of staff with ex...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1042 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

55: After Clause 82, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 cc1042-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 67. I started off with the terrible prejudice that I ex...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1043-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can assure the House that I have never detected any prejudice in the noble Lord, Lord...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much respect the Minister’s expression of caution on how the new scheme is to be...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

56: Clause 83, page 51, line 27, at end insert—

“( ) the f...

Lord Rosser | 740 cc1045-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Civil Aviation Authority’s primary and overriding duty under this Bill is to carry ...

Lord Lucas | 740 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a lot of sympathy for this amendment. However, most of us, as the noble Lord ind...

Countess of Mar | 740 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I note that in the preamble to subsection (1), it says that the CAA,

“must publis...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1047-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, for the explanation of the problem. I fea...

Countess of Mar | 740 c1048 (Link to this contribution)

My Lord, are there any penalties for airlines that contravene the regulation?

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1048-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suspect that there are sanctions but I would prefer to write to the noble Countess an...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1049 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, and the noble Count...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1050 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is an important issue and therefore I expect that the CAA will cover it. Why would i...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1050 (Link to this contribution)

I will tell the Minister why it would not: because it has not been put explicitly in the Bill. Th...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1050 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

58: After Clause 83, insert the following new Clause—

“Acc...

Lord Rosser | 740 cc1050-1 (Link to this contribution)

We discussed this amendment at some length in Committee. I do not intend to go through all the po...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1051-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that I can do a bit better to meet the needs of the House and the noble Lord, Lo...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

Before I do that, I am aware of the panel, not least because the Minister referred to it in Commi...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would expect it to produce reports that would be published. If I am wrong on that, of...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

I would be grateful to know from the Minister what the position is on that. Clearly, if this pane...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

59: Clause 96, page 59, line 38, at end insert—

“( ) is a ...

Baroness Worthington | 740 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

60: Before Clause 100, insert the following new Clause—...

Baroness Worthington | 740 cc1053-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must apologise. I have just come back from a foreign trip and picked up a rather bad ...

Lord Deben | 740 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest in various environmental organisations, as in my declaration of i...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1055-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for expressing once again the reasoning behind her amendment...

Baroness Worthington | 740 c1057 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his comments but I am disappointed. It is fine to list all the...

Lord Deben | 740 c1057 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness agree that the fact that the airlines are unhappy about this should not n...

Baroness Worthington | 740 c1057 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I was going to comment on that very fact, because the Minister began by commenting th...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1058 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

61: Before Clause 100, insert the following new Clause—

“A...

Lord Rosser | 740 cc1058-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment provides for a new clause which would give the National Audit Office ove...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1059-1060 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully agree with your Lordships on the need for the CAA to be efficient in carrying o...

Lord Rosser | 740 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. He is obviously very keen to get on to Amendment 62 on the...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

62: After Clause 101, insert the following new Clause—

“CA...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

Your Lordships may recall that, during Grand Committee consideration of the Civil Aviation Bill, ...

Countess of Mar | 740 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to see the amendment because it gives me a chance to ask the Minister abou...

Lord Wigley | 740 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the remarks of my noble friend Lady Mar. I admire the campaign that ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 740 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we began our deliberations today with the Minister making a response which greatly chee...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may be helpful to the House if I respond to the noble Countess’s point about cabin a...

Countess of Mar | 740 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Earl sits down, can he confirm that it is a function of the Civil Aviation Autho...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I refer the noble Countess to the Questions for Written Answer that I have answered.

Lord Rotherwick | 740 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rotherwick

63: Clause 102, page 62, line 19, leave out “61”.

Lord Rotherwick | 740 cc1062-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 63 and 64 address the third and final point of principle I wish to pursue wi...

Earl Attlee | 740 cc1064-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while I fully appreciate my noble friend’s concerns in respect of the general and busin...

Lord Rotherwick | 740 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his words and reiterate that I tabled these amendments owin...

Earl Attlee | 740 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

65: Clause 109, page 64, line 38, leave out “This Part comes” an...

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