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Higher Education and Research Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 19 July 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Justine Greening. The answering members were Gordon Marsden and Lord Johnson of Marylebone.
Second reading. Reasoned amendment not selected. Agreed to on division (294 to 258). Programme motion on Committal to a Public Bill Committee, proceedings in Committee, on Report and up to and including Third reading, and other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Money resolution. Queen's Recommendation signified. Agreed to on question. Ways and means resolution. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
613 cc702-795 
Session
2016-17
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Higher Education and Research Bill 2016-17
Thursday, 19 May 2016
Bills
House of Commons
Higher Education and Research Bill 2016 [Bill No 004 of 2016-17]
Thursday, 30 June 2016
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Natascha Engel | 613 c703 (Link to this contribution)

I inform the House that the amendment has not been selected.

1.34 pm

Justine Greening | 613 cc703-4 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

As the Prime Minister said outside ...


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Carol Monaghan | 613 c704 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Secretary of State to her new position and look forward to working with her over, I...

Justine Greening | 613 c704 (Link to this contribution)

I acknowledge that the Scottish National party takes a very different view of this issue. The rea...

Michael Gove | 613 cc704-5 (Link to this contribution)

First, may I congratulate my right hon. Friend on assuming her new role? She has been an outstand...

Justine Greening | 613 c705 (Link to this contribution)

Since 2009, students from a disadvantaged background in England are 36% more likely to go to univ...

Rebecca Pow | 613 c705 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way and offer her huge congratulations on her new role. D...

Justine Greening | 613 c705 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The good news is that we expect many—indeed, most—of the jobs...

Gloria De Piero | 613 c705 (Link to this contribution)

May I also congratulate the right hon. Lady on her new job? I was also the first in my family to ...

Justine Greening | 613 c705 (Link to this contribution)

The bottom line is that the evidence base shows not only that more young people are going to univ...

Justine Greening | 613 c706 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress, because it is important that I cover the teaching excellence fr...

Wes Streeting | 613 c706 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Secretary of State on her appointment. I am sure that she is as shocked as I a...

Justine Greening | 613 cc706-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman raises an important point. The real-terms ability of the maximum fee to keep u...

Liam Byrne | 613 c707 (Link to this contribution)

Let me join in the congratulations to the Secretary of State on her appointment. Why is there no ...

Justine Greening | 613 c707 (Link to this contribution)

I take the right hon. Gentleman’s point, which is an important one. I want universities to contin...

Andrew Gwynne | 613 c707 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, welcome the Secretary of State to her new post. Before she moves off the subject of colla...

Justine Greening | 613 c708 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that those different parties have to work together at a local lev...

Justine Greening | 613 c708 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make a little more progress, because it is important that I continue to inform the Hous...

John Pugh | 613 c708 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has emphasised the need for collaboration. Clause 2(1)(b) mentions

“...

Justine Greening | 613 c708 (Link to this contribution)

I feel as though we are already delving into the Bill Committee debate that will no doubt take pl...

Roger Mullin | 613 c708 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Justine Greening | 613 c708 (Link to this contribution)

I will take one more intervention before I make some progress.

Roger Mullin | 613 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Secretary of State to her new post, and I look forward to her future briefings on t...

Justine Greening | 613 c709 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a further point about the need for universities to be part of their broa...

Jo Stevens | 613 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate the Secretary of State on her new position. What does she think is an accept...

Justine Greening | 613 c709 (Link to this contribution)

We need to look at the level of tuition fees that has been introduced, the rate of applications f...

Jo Churchill | 613 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome my right hon. Friend to her position, and I look forward to working with her. We have h...

Justine Greening | 613 c710 (Link to this contribution)

There are two areas in which the Bill can particularly help. First, it will provide transparency ...

Stella Creasy | 613 c710 (Link to this contribution)

I join other hon. Members in welcoming the Secretary of State to her new post. On enabling studen...

Justine Greening | 613 cc710-1 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill puts in place the powers that we need to take a more flexible approach to funding. As th...

Liam Byrne | 613 c711 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is being characteristically generous in giving way. Is it her expectation ...

Justine Greening | 613 c711 (Link to this contribution)

Broadly, the rule that 55% of students need to be studying on degree courses will remain. In the ...

Wes Streeting | 613 c711 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is being very generous in giving way for a second time. She may not have s...

Justine Greening | 613 c711 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is about ensuring that we have a strong, robust, successful, innovative and high-quality...

Mark Field | 613 c711 (Link to this contribution)

It strikes me that the Secretary of State is giving a lot of good detail on the safeguards, which...

Justine Greening | 613 c712 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. For the many institutions that have spent years working...

Mark Field | 613 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect institutions that have spent many years trying to get degree-awarding powers and have n...

Justine Greening | 613 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure my right hon. Friend is right.

Justine Greening | 613 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a bit more progress, because I recognise that many hon. Members want to contribute to...

Justine Greening | 613 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman because he has been trying to catch my eye, but I must then...

Jim Cunningham | 613 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I have two universities in my constituency. What did the Secretary of State mean when she said th...

Justine Greening | 613 cc712-3 (Link to this contribution)

I was talking about the changes to degree-awarding powers. For institutions that may currently fe...

Mike Wood | 613 c713 (Link to this contribution)

Coventry University, Birmingham City University and the University of Wolverhampton recently laun...

Justine Greening | 613 cc713-4 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill will help in two ways. Not only will it naturally bring the research councils together u...

Jonathan Edwards | 613 c714 (Link to this contribution)

Welsh universities have traditionally had an awful deal out of the seven research councils struct...

Justine Greening | 613 c714 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is about strengthening our capacity to do world-beating research. The money will follow ...

Margaret Greenwood | 613 c714 (Link to this contribution)

Unison, the union, has about 40,000 workers in higher education institutions, which represents a ...

Justine Greening | 613 c715 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree with the hon. Lady, but I recognise the challenges that she talks about in making ...

Justine Greening | 613 c715 (Link to this contribution)

I have taken an awful lot of interventions, but I must now make some progress and allow the debat...

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc715-6 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Secretary of State and welcome her to her position. We look forward to the dev...

Mark Field | 613 c716 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who was on the same side of the debate for the 23 June referendum, I recognise the con...

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc716-7 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome what the hon. Gentleman says and the fact that he spoke so staunchly on the part of the...

Amanda Milling | 613 c717 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman recognise that the link between the TEF and fees means that universities ...

Gordon Marsden | 613 c717 (Link to this contribution)

There is no evidence for that. The point is that, if universities have a fees case to make, they ...

Rebecca Pow | 613 c718 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Gordon Marsden | 613 c718 (Link to this contribution)

I will make progress and come to the hon. Lady presently.

Long-established institutions suc...

Mike Wood | 613 c718 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Gordon Marsden | 613 c718 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Member for Taunton Deane (Rebecca Pow).

Rebecca Pow | 613 c718 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who has put two daughters through university and who has a son who is thinking about w...

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc718-9 (Link to this contribution)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with quality, but we have to see where the quality extends. The...

Michael Gove | 613 c719 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being very generous and I do not doubt his commitment to improving higher a...

Gordon Marsden | 613 c719 (Link to this contribution)

From a right hon. Gentleman who has demonstrated his ability to turn on not one but several sixpe...

Amanda Milling | 613 c719 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc719-722 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will make some more progress.

The higher education White Paper emphasises repeatedly ...

Margaret Greenwood | 613 c722 (Link to this contribution)

On potential closures, does my hon. Friend agree that this is of particular concern to mature stu...

Gordon Marsden | 613 c722 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right to bring us back to the nub of the issue, which is the family ...

Michael Gove | 613 c723 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being exceptionally generous in giving way. In improving access to higher e...

Gordon Marsden | 613 c723 (Link to this contribution)

I am always happy to applaud excellence in the secondary sector, but it is a little rich coming f...

Margaret Greenwood | 613 c723 (Link to this contribution)

On quality in schools, does my hon. Friend agree that there is also the issue of access to furthe...

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc723-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I intend to remedy that as best I can in my remaining rem...

Liam Byrne | 613 c724 (Link to this contribution)

Would my hon. Friend underline how important this point is? For many of the communities we serve,...

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc724-5 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is so right; in his previous position at this Dispatch Box, he championed th...

Jo Stevens | 613 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I have three universities in my constituency—two new ones and one Russell Group university—and th...

Gordon Marsden | 613 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I would agree. This problem has been amplified by people such as Chris Husbands,...

Anna Soubry | 613 c725 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc726-7 (Link to this contribution)

Not at the moment, I am sorry.

Now is hardly the time for embarking on three years of creat...

James Cleverly | 613 c727 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentions a number of criticisms of competition in the university sector, but d...

Gordon Marsden | 613 c727 (Link to this contribution)

Lord Mandelson and I are at one on that; I welcome a range of universities, but I want to make su...

Gordon Marsden | 613 cc727-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will indeed wait and see.

The Government should take into consideration proposals in the ...

Neil Carmichael | 613 cc729-730 (Link to this contribution)

Let me begin by welcoming the new Secretary of State to her post. It is a great pleasure to see h...

Jo Stevens | 613 c730 (Link to this contribution)

On that basis, how does the hon. Gentleman justify the removal of national health service bursari...

Alistair Carmichael | 613 c730 (Link to this contribution)

I do think it important to attract people to the NHS. I think that today we should be concentrati...

Jim Cunningham | 613 c730 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that productivity is also linked to research and development,...

Neil Carmichael | 613 cc730-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. It is essential that we have R and D, and if we ...

James Cleverly | 613 c731 (Link to this contribution)

My alma mater, the University of West London, has relentlessly nurtured a relationship with the i...

Neil Carmichael | 613 c731 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good point and I was going to loop that in with devolution and so forth. My hon. F...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 613 c732 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept, however, that part of that process could be further education or ...

Neil Carmichael | 613 c732 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, of course I do. Colleges do produce foundation degrees, for example, and that has a logical ...

Michael Gove | 613 c732 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Chairman of the Select Committee is making, as ever, a compelling argument. I ...

Neil Carmichael | 613 cc732-3 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting intervention and I was coming on to that area, because the world of educat...

Carol Monaghan | 613 c733 (Link to this contribution)

The SNP joins other parties in having concerns about the Bill. We do not dispute that some aspect...

Kirsten Oswald | 613 c733 (Link to this contribution)

I came to this place after working in an educational institution, and I echo my hon. Friend’s sen...

Carol Monaghan | 613 cc733-4 (Link to this contribution)

I agree 100% with my hon. Friend. Diversity in our institutions and what we learn from overseas s...

Jim Cunningham | 613 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the hon. Lady knows that the National Union of Students is concerned about what we call...

Carol Monaghan | 613 c734 (Link to this contribution)

All SNP Members share that concern, and we should be worried about the move towards privatisation...

Michael Gove | 613 c734 (Link to this contribution)

Like the hon. Lady I am a huge admirer of higher education in Scotland, not least because in the ...

Carol Monaghan | 613 c735 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a useful intervention because the metrics used by UCAS for higher ...

Kirsten Oswald | 613 c735 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Government should look closely at the interaction between the ...

Carol Monaghan | 613 cc735-6 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. Those arrangements can benefit single parents and part-time students, who are often u...

Patrick Grady | 613 c736 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend—despite what the annunciator was saying, she is not the hon. Member for Angus—and ...

Carol Monaghan | 613 cc736-7 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. One of the problems found by institutions such as the University of Glasgow is that t...

Patrick Grady | 613 c737 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way a second time. After the EU referendum, the University of G...

Carol Monaghan | 613 c737 (Link to this contribution)

I agree 100%. The University of Aberdeen also took the bold step of saying that there would be no...

Lindsay Hoyle | 613 c737 (Link to this contribution)

Order. To help all Members, instead of setting a time limit, if we could do up to 12 minutes, we ...

Mark Field | 613 cc737-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to keep this even shorter, Mr Deputy Speaker. It is a great pleasure, as a London MP, ...

Michael Gove | 613 c738 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the House is delighted to hear that my right hon. Friend is a reader of The Guardian, b...

Mark Field | 613 cc738-740 (Link to this contribution)

That is very kind. As a vice-chairman of the party, may I say that there might be mandatory resel...

Andrew Smith | 613 cc740-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Cities of London and Westminster (Mark Field...

Liam Byrne | 613 c741 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not incumbent on the Minister to give a categorical assurance to the House that where right...

Andrew Smith | 613 cc741-2 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. As I have said, there must be full scrutiny by this House. These are Acts of Parliam...

Iain Stewart | 613 cc742-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to this important debate. I welcome the Bill, par...

Andrew Smith | 613 c743 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman need not worry; his comments bear repetition.

Iain Stewart | 613 cc743-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that endorsement. Having reached its planned size, Milton Keynes is actively de...

Liam Byrne | 613 cc744-6 (Link to this contribution)

I want to pick up where my right hon. Friend the Member for Oxford East (Mr Smith) left off. The ...

Amanda Milling | 613 cc746-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for the opportunity to speak in this debate. I welcome the Secretary of State ...

Lord Swire | 613 c749 (Link to this contribution)

Has my hon. Friend made any study of the outrageous discrimination suffered by English students s...

Amanda Milling | 613 c749 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an interesting point, on which I am sure there will be further discuss...

Jeremy Lefroy | 613 c749 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend therefore welcome the news that Chinese investors propose to take over the St...

Amanda Milling | 613 cc749-750 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend and constituency neighbour for his point. He is absolutely right. In fact,...

David Lammy | 613 c750 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill comes before us at a time of great change, the most important of those changes being my ...

Lord Swire | 613 c750 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman will have heard what my hon. Friend the Member for Cannock Chase (Amanda...

David Lammy | 613 cc751-2 (Link to this contribution)

That was, in a sense, the point I was making. Some of the tensions in Whitehall, particularly tho...

Michelle Donelan | 613 c752 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that the removal of caps on university places brought about ...

David Lammy | 613 c753 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that, I am afraid. The removal of the cap does not help when it comes to fair acc...

Rebecca Pow | 613 c753 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is making an extremely valuable case but does this not highlight why we ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 613 c753 (Link to this contribution)

I might be able to help a little, as the hon. Lady is hoping to catch my eye next. Mr Lammy, your...

David Lammy | 613 cc753-4 (Link to this contribution)

Transparency will of course help, but we know what works and under the Labour Government most of ...

Rebecca Pow | 613 cc754-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased to see the Minister for Universities and Science, my hon. Friend Member for Orp...

Jo Churchill | 613 c755 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that there is a tendency for young people to go away to university and ...

Rebecca Pow | 613 cc755-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making such a good point. Indeed, I feared that, when my own children ...

Stella Creasy | 613 cc756-760 (Link to this contribution)

It is obviously a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Taunton Deane (Rebecca Pow), although I ...

Jo Churchill | 613 cc760-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Stella Creasy).

I welcome the Mi...

Carol Monaghan | 613 c762 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that some of the funding for the excellent research that is taking place...

Jo Churchill | 613 cc762-3 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that some of it is coming from the European Union. I am not sure whether the Government n...

Barry Sheerman | 613 c763 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady stimulates me to intervene. It is very dangerous to talk about top-flight universit...

Jo Churchill | 613 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed you are. The words “top flight” came from the top of my head and I fully agree with the ho...

Jo Churchill | 613 cc763-4 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly. All manner of people who might want to take a different career path are precluded from d...

Paul Blomfield | 613 c764 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the hon. Member for Bury St Edmunds (Jo Churchill) in welcoming the fact that the Minister...

Lindsay Hoyle | 613 c764 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Will the Front Benchers take note of this? The hon. Member for Sheffield Central (Paul Blo...

Barry Sheerman | 613 c764 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend was trying to be nice.

Paul Blomfield | 613 cc764-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will continue to be nice, because I recognise the thought and effort that the Minister has put ...

Jo Churchill | 613 c766 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with that point. A problem with the lack of flexibility in the system is that it does not...

Paul Blomfield | 613 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Lady—I thank her for her intervention, which, like much of the rest of the ...

Ben Howlett | 613 cc767-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Sheffield Central (Paul Blomfield)—I should call h...

Michelle Donelan | 613 c769 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Bill gives students the opportunity not just to gamble and tak...

Ben Howlett | 613 cc770-1 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with my hon. Friend and near neighbour. Since 2011, students have said many ti...

Daniel Zeichner | 613 cc771-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bath (Ben Howlett). Bath is another beautiful univ...

Michael Gove | 613 cc773-6 (Link to this contribution)

As a new Back Bencher, I feel fortunate to have the chance to contribute to this debate; it has b...

Gordon Marsden | 613 c776 (Link to this contribution)

Let me make it clear that we were not saying that the TEF was a one-size-fits-all measure. We wer...

Michael Gove | 613 cc776-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that clarification. Indeed, in the constructive spirit in...

Wes Streeting | 613 cc777-782 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove) after his relati...

Liz McInnes | 613 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to say a few words in this debate and to follow my hon. Friend ...

Angela Rayner | 613 cc783-6 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, welcome the Secretary of State to her place, and I look forward to having constructive di...

Lord Johnson of Marylebone | 613 c786 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a terrific debate, in which there has been very strong consensus across the House t...

Lord Johnson of Marylebone | 613 cc786-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give away for the moment, because I have a significant amount of material to get throu...

Tristram Hunt | 613 c787 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way, because I appreciate that it is so annoying wh...

Lord Johnson of Marylebone | 613 cc787-790 (Link to this contribution)

I encourage Opposition Members to be optimistic about our future as a global leader in higher edu...

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