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Sugary Drinks Tax

Backbench debate and e-petition debate on Monday, 30 November 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Helen Jones. The answering member was Jane Ellison.
Motion that this House has considered e-petition 106651 relating to a tax on sugary drinks. Agreed to on question. Sitting adjourned without Question put.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
603 cc1-48WH 
Session
2015-16
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Childhood obesity strategy. Health Committee first report with formal minutes.
Tuesday, 17 November 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Debate on an e-petition on a tax on sugary drinks
Friday, 27 November 2015
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Helen Jones | 603 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petition 106651 relating to a tax on sugary...

Mark Field | 603 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady give way?


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Helen Jones | 603 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Gentleman is so eager to get in, I will give way.

Mark Field | 603 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

I am eager to get in on that point, because I think it is rather facilely simplistic to suggest t...

Helen Jones | 603 cc1-2WH (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman will learn that diet is actually the major factor. I will go on to say a...

Mark Field | 603 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

As the father of two young children aged seven and four, I entirely endorse what the hon. Lady ha...

Fabian Hamilton | 603 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I remind hon. Members that interventions should be kept brief, and that they should be que...

Helen Jones | 603 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman flatters me by saying that we are of the same generation; I think he is ...

Carol Monaghan | 603 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady share my concerns about the new trend for having soft drink vending machines i...

Helen Jones | 603 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a fair point, and I will come to what is happening in schools later in my spe...

Emma Reynolds | 603 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the voluntary approach to the food and drink industry is not worki...

Helen Jones | 603 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

That is a reasonable approach, and I will come to that in a minute. The right hon. Member for Cit...

Jonathan Edwards | 603 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

A tax on sugary drinks has been Plaid Cymru policy for a number of years in Wales. The Labour par...

Helen Jones | 603 cc3-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I never take what Plaid Cymru says about the Labour party in Wales at face value; I am used to it...

Helen Jones | 603 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure which of these defenders of the Government to take first. I will take the hon. Memb...

James Berry | 603 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

I am probably not the best qualified person to speak about this, having judged a cake competition...

Helen Jones | 603 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, the hon. Gentleman is right that we need much clearer labelling. As I will come on to say, t...

John Glen | 603 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Lady. She is making a powerful case, of which I am somewhat p...

Helen Jones | 603 cc4-5WH (Link to this contribution)

The public health responsibility deal has had a fair trial over the past five years. The House of...

Andrea Jenkyns | 603 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that it is also down to personal responsibility and choice, and that it ...

Helen Jones | 603 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

If we were dealing with a level playing field, the hon. Lady might be right, but we are not. We a...

Helen Jones | 603 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

I will take one more intervention, then I am going to make some progress, because other Members n...

Geraint Davies | 603 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

On the issue of personal responsibility and consumer choice, as my hon. Friend will know, the Wor...

Helen Jones | 603 cc6-7WH (Link to this contribution)

That is right. I have already said that clearer labelling has a role to play, but the Government ...

Helen Jones | 603 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I will finish now if the right hon. Gentleman will forgive me. He has made several interventi...

Helen Jones | 603 cc7-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I have said to the right hon. Gentleman that I will not give way again.

The Government need...

Helen Jones | 603 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I have said several times that I will not give way again. I will now wind up my speech. The h...

Fabian Hamilton | 603 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

Owing to the number of Members who have requested to speak, I may have to impose a time limit on ...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 cc8-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Warrington North (Helen Jones), Jamie Oliver and Sustain for...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

In tandem! I am spoiled for choice.

Mark Pawsey | 603 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend acknowledge that there is already a tax on sugary drinks, in that VAT is levi...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

Of course, but let me be clear that the point of a sugary drinks tax is to introduce a price diff...

Mark Field | 603 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recognise that one concern that some of us have about a tax on sugary drinks ...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

In an ideal world, I agree, it would be nice not to have to do any of that, but I return to the p...

John Glen | 603 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

Does not that point also suggest that the distribution of education interventions is not being fo...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

I ask my hon. Friend to look later in our report, where we set out some of the evidence on delive...

Maggie Throup | 603 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

Sugary drinks are not just about obesity; dental decay is also an important issue, and it affects...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. In our report, we highlight that the single biggest cause of ...

Emma Reynolds | 603 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that efforts to improve the education of parents tend to reach middle- c...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes. As I pointed out, we could end up inadvertently widening health inequalities. The hon. Lady ...

Geraint Davies | 603 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I support a sugar tax. In Mexico, the average person has half a litre of Coke every day. Did the ...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 cc11-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, but the point is that we wanted to respond to th...

Mark Field | 603 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

It is only fair that we give some credit to the industry, as my hon. Friend has done, particularl...

Mark Field | 603 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

A significant number of health charities also have a big financial interest in this debate, and i...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend, and I should say for the record that I have no financial interest i...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

I can feel another point coming on here.

Mark Pawsey | 603 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest, because I have a Britvic plant in my constituency. My hon. Friend is talki...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that will be part of it, but as I have said, I am not here to beat industry over the he...

Geraint Davies | 603 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady will know that I put forward a sugar Bill supporting sugar being denominated in spo...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 cc13-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the hon. Gentleman. We have seen that where companies want products to be...

Paul Flynn | 603 cc14-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to speak in this debate and to follow the two marvellous opening speeches....

John Glen | 603 c15WH (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Gentleman like to reflect on the comment made earlier, about the record of his par...

Paul Flynn | 603 cc15-6WH (Link to this contribution)

We have had a—[Interruption.] Exactly, and I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Swansea West (Ge...

Fabian Hamilton | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. May I remind the hon. Gentleman that the subject of the debate is a tax on sugar and sugar...

Paul Flynn | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, Sir. Thank you, Mr Chairman. I was unfortunately—inadvertently—diverted from the point invol...

Geraint Davies | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware that last night on Welsh television the Welsh Minister for Health and Soc...

Paul Flynn | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

I did see the programme; it was the Welsh segment of the “Politics Show”. That is why I find the ...

Julian Knight | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Paul Flynn | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

I will, but I am taking rather a long time.

Julian Knight | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. Will he recognise that all the companies he just menti...

Paul Flynn | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that there was a great outcry from the municipal and general torturers union in the Sou...

Steve Double | 603 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Paul Flynn | 603 cc16-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way again; I am taking up other people’s time.

We cannot use the excuse of ...

Paul Flynn | 603 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, but for the last time.

Steve Double | 603 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. I am reflecting on his comments about the Gov...

Paul Flynn | 603 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has not been here long. I have been here for 28 years, and I think he will fin...

Fabian Hamilton | 603 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am hopeful that it will not be necessary to impose a time limit on Back-Bench speeches, ...

Maggie Throup | 603 cc17-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I rise to outline why changing our habits when it comes to sugar in our diet is so vital. It is n...

Julian Knight | 603 c18WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. I do not wish to be accused of being in the pay of ...

Maggie Throup | 603 cc18-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I think the wrestler that my hon. Friend is referring to is called “Sugar Daddy”, not “Big Sugar”...

Mark Pawsey | 603 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

Is there evidence that if price is increased, consumption will reduce? Was that part of the evide...

Maggie Throup | 603 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

I recommend that my hon. Friend reads the report. The evidence from other countries is that the i...

Julian Knight | 603 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentions, and I concur; it is fantastic exercise, and its health benefits mean tha...

Maggie Throup | 603 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. I always enjoyed my competitive sports at school. I was a sprinter, and I pla...

Maggie Throup | 603 cc19-20WH (Link to this contribution)

Not wrestling, no.

The issue is partly about exercise, but it is also about food. There is ...

Keith Vaz | 603 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hamilton, and a pleasure to follow the hon....

Maggie Throup | 603 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

Sky Ride is open to anybody of any age. I encourage the right hon. Gentleman to find his local Sk...

Keith Vaz | 603 cc20-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I will, but for me it will not be Sky Ride; it will probably be Skyfall. However, I will look up ...

Steve Double | 603 cc21-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hamilton. I, too, speak as a member of the ...

John McNally | 603 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for Warrington North (Helen Jones) for securing this debate. I am gratefu...

Maggie Throup | 603 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

On the point about sugary drinks and sports, does the hon. Gentleman think that a lot of confusio...

John McNally | 603 cc25-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. That is one of the biggest problems. People drink lots of sugar, which ge...

John Glen | 603 c26WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman reflect on the fact that, sadly, a massive proportion of those who are ob...

John McNally | 603 cc26-7WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right. Once again, it is the poorest who do not know how to make such choic...

Liz McInnes | 603 cc27-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr McCabe. I thank my hon. Friend the Member f...

Rupa Huq | 603 cc29-31WH (Link to this contribution)

I am a late contributor to a long debate, so some of what I say will have been touched on, but I ...

Rupa Huq | 603 c31WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, sorry. I am a secret lemonade drinker—no, I’m not.

I want to be brief, but we are disc...

Jane Ellison | 603 c31WH (Link to this contribution)

Hopefully not at primary schools.

Rupa Huq | 603 c31WH (Link to this contribution)

No, but alcopops and such things have always been popular with young people, because they look ha...

Steve McCabe | 603 cc31-2WH (Link to this contribution)

We have just over an hour, but I remind Members that we do not have to fill the entire time. I wo...

Philippa Whitford | 603 cc32-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr McCabe. I am actually Dr Whitford; Eilidh Whiteford—my hon. Friend the Member for B...

John Glen | 603 c33WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is speaking with her customary authority on the subject. Does she agree that the in...

Philippa Whitford | 603 c34WH (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Member for Totnes mentioned, the people who make such choices tend to be those who ar...

Baroness Keeley | 603 cc34-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in the debate with you in the Chair, Mr McCabe. I thank my hon. Friend ...

Geraint Davies | 603 c35WH (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr McCabe. Like you, I sit on the Panel of Chairs. I was here for the first ...

Steve McCabe | 603 c35WH (Link to this contribution)

You are welcome to intervene in the debate, Mr Davies, but we have moved on to the winding-up spe...

Geraint Davies | 603 c35WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that, but I was wondering whether you might exercise some discretion.

Steve McCabe | 603 c35WH (Link to this contribution)

No, we are going to continue with the winding-up speeches.

Baroness Keeley | 603 cc35-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I was saying that I have concerns about how children and their families manage in the school holi...

Geraint Davies | 603 c36WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend accept that, if one wanted to make money out of a potato, the easiest way to ...

Baroness Keeley | 603 cc36-7WH (Link to this contribution)

As I was saying, we should look at the whole range of options. I want to talk about health campai...

Philippa Whitford | 603 c37WH (Link to this contribution)

May I draw the hon. Lady’s attention to a novel approach that has come out of St Ninians primary ...

Baroness Keeley | 603 c37WH (Link to this contribution)

That type of initiative is wonderful, but fewer and fewer children are walking to school, and an ...

Sarah Wollaston | 603 c37WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely recognise that physical activity is important and that it should be for everyone, ir...

Baroness Keeley | 603 cc37-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for that intervention, but I think it is a bit too easy to lose sight of ph...

Geraint Davies | 603 c38WH (Link to this contribution)

On the relationship between sugar and calories, is my hon. Friend aware of emerging science showi...

Baroness Keeley | 603 cc38-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I did not know that; my hon. Friend clearly has background knowledge and experience that I do not...

Jane Ellison | 603 cc39-40WH (Link to this contribution)

What an excellent debate we have had. It has been a real pleasure to listen to so many extremely ...

Geraint Davies | 603 c40WH (Link to this contribution)

I happen to have introduced econometric modelling to Unilever. Would the Minister accept that if ...

Jane Ellison | 603 c40WH (Link to this contribution)

I will touch on some of those points, but I want to take this opportunity to update the House on ...

Geraint Davies | 603 c40WH (Link to this contribution)

What is the Minister’s justification for not introducing this measure?

Jane Ellison | 603 cc40-1WH (Link to this contribution)

Unless the hon. Gentleman continues to chunter at me from a sedentary position, I will come to th...

Geraint Davies | 603 c42WH (Link to this contribution)

As the Minister would accept, there is an elasticity of demand for any product—namely a relations...

Jane Ellison | 603 c42WH (Link to this contribution)

That is not right. Again, I come back to the point stressed in the report by Public Health Englan...

Baroness Keeley | 603 c42WH (Link to this contribution)

I expressed concern about budget cuts for Public Health England. Will the Minister address that? ...

Jane Ellison | 603 c43WH (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Lady will see, the campaign is going to be very significant again this coming January...

Jane Ellison | 603 c43WH (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress and develop my point about Change4Life, because Members have ask...

Jane Ellison | 603 cc43-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I am going to come on to teaspoons, and I do not want to run out of time before I do so. I will m...

Philippa Whitford | 603 c44WH (Link to this contribution)

For the public nowadays, “teaspoons of sugar” is more helpful than “sugar cubes”, because very fe...

Jane Ellison | 603 cc44-5WH (Link to this contribution)

I am aware of that; the point has been made to me a number of times.

Let me mention a few o...

Philippa Whitford | 603 c45WH (Link to this contribution)

Did the same apply to cigarettes? Were we not allowed independently to add the warnings and so on...

Jane Ellison | 603 c45WH (Link to this contribution)

As we approach the transposition of the new EU tobacco directive, the hon. Lady will see that the...

Jane Ellison | 603 c45WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but this will be the last intervention I take, because I want to leave time for the hon. Mem...

Geraint Davies | 603 c45WH (Link to this contribution)

I simply want to ask whether there will be any space for views to be heard on restricting adverti...

Jane Ellison | 603 cc45-6WH (Link to this contribution)

We have already said that the childhood obesity strategy will be a comprehensive, cross-Governmen...

Helen Jones | 603 cc46-7WH (Link to this contribution)

This has been an interesting debate, and I thank all who have spoken in it. We have heard the mes...

Helen Jones | 603 c48WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I am winding up; I am sorry. The health of our children demands action now. If we do not take...

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