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Defence and Security Review (NATO)

Estimates day on Monday, 2 March 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Rory Stewart. The answering members were Lord Beamish and Mark Francois.
Supplementary estimates 2014-15. Second estimates day (part two). Motion, that for the year ending with 31 March 2015, for expenditure by the Ministry of Defence: (1) the resources authorised for use for current purposes be reduced by £618,573,000 as set out in HC 1019, and (2) further resources, not exceeding £426,760,000 be authorised for use for capital purposes as so set out, and (3) a further sum, not exceeding £426,834,000 be granted to Her Majesty to be issued by the Treasury out of the Consolidated Fund and applied for expenditure on the use of resources authorised by Parliament. Question deferred. Resolved.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
593 cc734-782 
Session
2014-15
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Ministry of Defence
Procedure
Supply estimates
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House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Rory Stewart | 593 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I should like to begin by talking about the House of Commons Defence Committee’s report. The key ...

Julian Lewis | 593 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Chairman of the Committee for giving way so early in his speech. One of the reasons t...


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Rory Stewart | 593 c735 (Link to this contribution)

That is an invitation to go into exactly this theme: in terms of responses to the Russian convent...

John Redwood | 593 c735 (Link to this contribution)

I accept my hon. Friend’s Committee’s recommendation that as a minimum we have to spend 2% of GDP...

Rory Stewart | 593 c735 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good question, which I hope to be able to deal with towards the end of my speech. ...

Jim Cunningham | 593 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for coming in late. About 30 years ago, when Denis Healey, as Defence Secretary, look...

Rory Stewart | 593 cc736-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman rightly says that we have not been focused on Russia, and the United States ce...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 593 c737 (Link to this contribution)

On that point about capacity, it is interesting to note that in 1989 there were 5,000 US battle t...

Rory Stewart | 593 c737 (Link to this contribution)

That is a significant point. It is true that, ultimately, the theoretical NATO capacity dwarfs th...

Mike Gapes | 593 c737 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman referred to Estonia. Clearly, under article 5 of the NATO treaty all the other...

Rory Stewart | 593 c737 (Link to this contribution)

The hybrid attacks are exactly what I was getting on to: the asymmetric and next-generation warfa...

Lord Walney | 593 c738 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. The Defence Committee, which completed its report on d...

Rory Stewart | 593 c738 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to raise that point about cyber-attacks. Crucially, very f...

Gerald Howarth | 593 c738 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with everything my hon. Friend has said, particularly with regard to the importance of cy...

Rory Stewart | 593 cc738-9 (Link to this contribution)

That is very important. The thing about cyber-defence that is difficult for us as a Committee to ...

Brooks Newmark | 593 c739 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is quite rightly focusing on the clear and present threat of Russia, but when look...

Rory Stewart | 593 cc739-740 (Link to this contribution)

That provides me with a good way to drive towards a conclusion. As my hon. Friend has just pointe...

Bob Russell | 593 c740 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want the Chair of the Select Committee to ignore one part of the world. With regard to a...

Rory Stewart | 593 c740 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very significant question. It is definitely worth thinking about in the next SDSR. As t...

Crispin Blunt | 593 c740 (Link to this contribution)

The figure of 2% is just a number that has been dragged out of the air, but it happens to be the ...

Rory Stewart | 593 c740 (Link to this contribution)

I am very supportive of the idea that we should be spending even more.

Lord Robathan | 593 c740 (Link to this contribution)

So am I, if I may say so. My hon. Friend is giving an excellent analysis of the situation. At the...

Rory Stewart | 593 c740 (Link to this contribution)

To come to a conclusion, I am giving the four reasons why we need to spend 2%. The first, which h...

Richard Drax | 593 c741 (Link to this contribution)

The Chairman of the Select Committee is giving a fantastic analysis of the situation. May I add m...

Rory Stewart | 593 c741 (Link to this contribution)

That is the second point that I was coming to. The second reason why we have to spend 2% of GDP o...

John Glen | 593 c741 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not also the case that the rigour of the SDSR process needs to do justice to the nature of ...

Rory Stewart | 593 c742 (Link to this contribution)

The process will be led—must be led—by the SDSR. The entire problem that we face starts with the ...

Hugh Bayley | 593 cc742-3 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I should start by looking at the Order Paper. We are being asked tonight to approve for t...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 593 c743 (Link to this contribution)

Given my hon. Friend’s extremely important work in the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, does he think...

Hugh Bayley | 593 cc743-4 (Link to this contribution)

I would always like greater attention to be given to the Parliamentary Assembly’s work, but there...

Julian Lewis | 593 c744 (Link to this contribution)

In his last few words, the hon. Gentleman said something that contradicted my memory of events. T...

Hugh Bayley | 593 cc744-5 (Link to this contribution)

I have had an interesting conversation with the statisticians in the House of Commons Library thi...

James Gray | 593 c745 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly agree with the hon. Gentleman’s powerful endorsement of the Prime Minister’s commitmen...

Hugh Bayley | 593 c745 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, of course I have had that conversation—

Lindsay Hoyle | 593 c745 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am going to have to put a time limit on speeches, because we are drifting, and it was su...

Hugh Bayley | 593 c745 (Link to this contribution)

I will crack on quickly, Mr Deputy Speaker.

I have put my name to the early-day motion draf...

Lindsay Hoyle | 593 c745 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The time limit is nine minutes.

7.31 pm

Lord Soames of Fletching | 593 cc745-7 (Link to this contribution)

May I start by warmly congratulating the Chair of the Defence Committee, my hon. Friend the Membe...

Lord Walney | 593 c747 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow such esteemed Members on both sides of the House, particularly the Cha...

Lord Walney | 593 c747 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I give way to my colleague on the Defence Committee.

James Gray | 593 c747 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman; he is extremely kind. We on the Government Benches entirely ...

Lord Walney | 593 c748 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s honesty when he says that that is the more important quest...

Julian Lewis | 593 c748 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman knows that he and I are as one on the question of the future of the deterrent....

Lord Walney | 593 cc748-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad the hon. Gentleman asked me that. I am completely confident. It is a shame that not a s...

Keith Simpson | 593 cc749-750 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Penrith and The Border (Rory Stewart) on introducing...

Gerald Howarth | 593 c750 (Link to this contribution)

The latest figures I have indicate that the figure is actually £13 billion—it has gone up from £8...

Keith Simpson | 593 cc750-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am using the latest figure provided by the House of Commons Library. There are lies, damn lies,...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 593 cc751-2 (Link to this contribution)

In July 2011, Anders Fogh Rasmussen said:

“Washington will not always take the lead when it...

James Gray | 593 c752 (Link to this contribution)

To enforce the hon. Lady’s point, is it not chilling that 75% of all of the equipment used by the...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 593 cc752-3 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. It is an incredibly malign force, but we are not prepared to describe it as such, not onl...

Jeremy Browne | 593 c753 (Link to this contribution)

Grand coalition is what you need.

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 593 cc753-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is so good to have a second Lib Dem here so that we can get some commitment for a nuclear dete...

Caroline Dinenage | 593 cc754-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to take part in this debate, not because I am a member of the Defence Comm...

Adam Afriyie | 593 c755 (Link to this contribution)

My constituency, like that of my hon. Friend, has a strong military history. Does she agree that ...

Caroline Dinenage | 593 cc755-6 (Link to this contribution)

As the Chairman of the Defence Committee, my hon. Friend the Member for Penrith and The Border (R...

Mike Gapes | 593 cc756-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Gosport (Caroline Dinenage). I agree very much wit...

Gerald Howarth | 593 cc758-9 (Link to this contribution)

I join other Members in congratulating my hon. Friend the Member for Penrith and The Border (Rory...

Lord Soames of Fletching | 593 c759 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the most dangerous aspects of all this concerns what Presid...

Gerald Howarth | 593 cc759-760 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is right, and it is significant how Russia has behaved, particularly with th...

Edward Leigh | 593 c760 (Link to this contribution)

That could, of course, be linked to our 0.7% commitment to international development, as per the ...

Gerald Howarth | 593 cc760-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for provoking me. I think most people in this place know tha...

Bob Russell | 593 cc761-2 (Link to this contribution)

In a world of rapid change, disorder and insecurity, the men and women of Her Majesty’s armed for...

James Gray | 593 cc762-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure, as always, to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Colchester (Sir Bob Russell)...

Lord Benyon | 593 cc763-7 (Link to this contribution)

This has been one of the best debates in which I have taken part during my few years in the House...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 593 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with the hon. Gentleman, but must not those forces also have a clear sense of ...

Lord Benyon | 593 cc767-8 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with the hon. Lady.

Non-kinetic warfare also involves thinking about the w...

Crispin Blunt | 593 cc768-9 (Link to this contribution)

I only hope that the speech I am about to make can begin to get close to the excellent contributi...

Julian Lewis | 593 c770 (Link to this contribution)

May I say to my hon. and gallant Friend that it is no good contrasting the building of the Succes...

Crispin Blunt | 593 c770 (Link to this contribution)

That is the point I wish to address. We will invest an enormous amount in one weapon system for o...

Neil Carmichael | 593 cc770-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to speak in this debate and to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Reigat...

Julian Lewis | 593 c772 (Link to this contribution)

It is always the peril for the last ship in the convoy that it is the most likely to be torpedoed...

Bob Russell | 593 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Can my hon. Friend recall whether on that occasion the Treasury intervened and tried to trump wha...

Julian Lewis | 593 cc773-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am doubly grateful to the hon. Gentleman for asking a question that I cannot possibly answer, h...

Hugh Bayley | 593 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I am getting slightly tired of Government Members talking up 2% as if it were a great achievement...

Julian Lewis | 593 cc774-5 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with the thrust of that intervention, although as I stated in an intervention on...

Lord Beamish | 593 c775 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a very well-informed debate in which we have had 15 speakers. I congratulate the ho...

Crispin Blunt | 593 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in exploring what Labour would do. In 1977, even when the economy was a disaster,...

Lord Beamish | 593 cc775-6 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman lets me get on with my speech, I shall tell him what our position is.

James Gray | 593 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the hon. Gentleman is looking forward to being the Minister for the Armed Forces in t...

Lord Beamish | 593 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I will level with the hon. Gentleman. What I will not do is what the Prime Minister and the then ...

Gerald Howarth | 593 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my good friend the shadow Minister for giving way. The reason we are in this pic...

Lord Beamish | 593 c777 (Link to this contribution)

But the hon. Gentleman needs to be honest about the time scale. I thought he was going to refer, ...

Neil Carmichael | 593 c777 (Link to this contribution)

Will the shadow Minister tell the House whether or not the Labour Opposition agree with the 2% ta...

Lord Beamish | 593 cc777-8 (Link to this contribution)

I have made that clear. I will not promise things I cannot deliver, which the hon. Gentleman’s pa...

Keith Simpson | 593 c778 (Link to this contribution)

Does not the hon. Gentleman, as well as my hon. Friends, accept that we can all caricature the Tr...

Lord Beamish | 593 cc778-9 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman. When I chaired the value for money group in the MOD du...

Mark Francois | 593 cc779-780 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, thank the House of Commons Defence Committee for producing this important report and givi...

Lord Beamish | 593 c780 (Link to this contribution)

A zero-based budget looks at efficiencies and how to spend money better. Does the Minister agree ...

Mark Francois | 593 cc780-2 (Link to this contribution)

What I agree with is that we inherited a chaotic defence budget from the Labour party. That is wh...

Mark Francois | 593 c782 (Link to this contribution)

No. The hon. Gentleman has already had his go and I have three minutes left.

The UK has com...

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