Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill

Mr Streeter, I welcome you to the Chair of the Committee. I rise on behalf of my hon. Friends to ...

Order. I am reluctant to interrupt the right hon. Gentleman, but a lot of background conversation...

I am grateful to you, Mr Streeter.

It is important that we recognise that terrorist attacks...

Although I agree with the shadow Minister that that amendment does, in principle, have some merit...

I am sure that the hon. Gentleman has looked carefully at amendment 29, which states:

“This...

The shadow Minister is making some fair points and I think the whole House would broadly support ...

We did consider those matters and I originally drafted an amendment that sought to do that. I cou...

Given the right hon. Gentleman’s concern, would not the right approach be to accept his amendment...

I welcome the hon. Gentleman back to this place, as this is the first opportunity I have had to d...

The shadow Minister has already said that schedule 1 is detailed and that there is a lot to conte...

I was coming on to those points, but I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his question. It mig...

After two weeks, the individual will get their passport back anyway. This is a really wishy-washy...

This is a very strong and effective power, which the Opposition support as it will ensure that me...

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I will let the right hon. and learned Gentleman intervene, because I know that he has expressed c...

I expressed that concern and it remains a concern, but the interesting point about amendment 17 i...

Order. Before I call the shadow Minister, let me say that interventions should be slightly briefe...

Thank you, Mr Streeter. I take the point made by the right hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfie...

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way and I apologise, Mr Streeter, for taking...

I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for that point and we probably agree on the...

Is it not the case, if we believe in fairness and the rule of law, that the stronger the action t...

That is an important point.

As the Committee will know, under schedule 7 to the Terrorism A...

Would the proposal in amendment 17 not be stronger if there was a time limit within which the Hom...

That suggestion is worthy of consideration.

The official Opposition tabled an amendment to ...

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I give way first to the hon. Gentleman.

Perhaps I do not share the great faith in the bureaucratic competence of the Home Office that was...

It was the opposite.

I guessed that that was the case. I was being slightly ironic. One issue with the notion that we ...

We do not yet know on how many occasions the power will be exercised. I suspect that a vast numbe...

I am grateful to the shadow Minister for referring to me as his hon. Friend. I remind my right ho...

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that comment. She will see that under paragraph 1(7) of sched...

Further to the point that was made by the hon. Member for North Down (Lady Hermon), if a passport...

Again, that demonstrates why the issue of appeals is important. Paragraph 1(7) of schedule 1 refe...

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

I am trying to wind up my remarks, but I will give way.

Will the right hon. Gentleman clarify what is his mechanism for appeal? Surely the measure allows...

That is a valid point, but judicial review is not what I would call a cheap and easy process. It ...

I would indeed like to say a few words about new clause 8, which I tabled. As we know, there will...

I do not wish to cast judgment on the two proposed processes, but does the hon. Lady not recognis...

I thank the hon. Gentleman, but I do not think his point stands up. Under new clause 8, an indivi...

The problem is not that there would be a risk of people roaming through the UK and being a direct...

I do not see that as being more of a risk under my new clause, the advantage of which would be th...

I am grateful to the right hon. Member for Delyn (Mr Hanson) for the opportunity to debate a numb...

This important Bill does not just apply to international terrorism, it applies to terrorism, and ...

I had the pleasure of visiting Belfast on a number of occasions when I was security Minister, but...

I am sincerely grateful to the Minister for giving way because this is a really important point. ...

I understand the hon. Lady’s sincerity and the manner with which she has advanced her point, and ...

I represent a border constituency and we do not particularly want the border demarcated further i...

Ultimately, those facts will concern any challenge that may be made, and a review may be undertak...

Will the person whose passport or travel documents are removed be informed of the reason they hav...

The hon. Gentleman leads me neatly to mention a number of protections in the Bill, and say how we...

I completely understand why the Government have decided that within the 14-day period there shoul...

My hon. and learned Friend highlights the mechanisms provided in paragraph 5 of schedule 1 on the...

The Minister refers to a point raised by my right hon. Friend the Member for Delyn (Mr Hanson). J...

For the relevant document to need to be retained, the provisions in paragraph 5 of schedule 1 mus...

If that is the case, why does clause 17 have a repeal date of 31 December 2016?

I am glad the right hon. Gentleman raises that point. The parallel I think he seeks to draw is no...

The Minister referred to sending out a very clear signal to jihadists who wish us ill in this cou...

Terrorism can take all sorts of different forms. The Bill is rightly not specific on what terrori...

Plenty of experts who agree that our security is the ultimate goal also see that my amendment is ...

The hon. Lady has made that point several times, and she has been consistent in advancing her cas...

I am grateful to the Minister for his explanations and for reminding me that I have form on polic...

I urge the right hon. Gentleman to think carefully about pressing his amendment. What sort of mes...

Having been counter-terrorism and policing Minister in the last Government, I know the extent of ...

With this it will be convenient to consider the following:

Clauses 3 to 10 stand part.

I am very pleased to be able to participate in this part of the debate on an important Bill, and ...

I am most grateful to the Home Secretary for taking part in this section of the debate. That is l...

I appreciate the eagerness with which the hon. Lady rises to refer to that case, but I have to sa...

I have listened carefully to what my right hon. Friend has said, particularly about our complianc...

I am very happy to respond to that point. We as a country take the issue of human rights responsi...

How would the person concerned prove to the British consular service that they were the person th...

In such circumstances, the passport will probably still be in the individual’s possession, althou...

The way the Home Secretary is describing how people can respond to a TEO suggests they would be a...

But we are talking about an individual who, having had a TEO placed on them, attempts to travel t...

When would such an order become valid—when it was served on the person concerned? How would the B...

A temporary exclusion order will be in place, and it will come into effect when it is served or d...

The UK authorities will have an obligation to let the Home Office know about the passenger lists ...

The hon. Lady makes an important point, given our relationship with the Republic of Ireland and t...

I should like to speak to the amendments and new clauses standing in my name and those of my righ...

Is not one potential problem with the right hon. Gentleman’s proposal, which is in many ways perf...

I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for his intervention, which touches on one ...

How would the right hon. Gentleman get around the Home Secretary’s comments about the security im...

We would be looking to do that in a number of circumstances anyway; data are already given to car...

On the face of it, this may not look like a significant point, but it is. There is a very real di...

Again, these are matters of genuine debate and interest. The point I make to the Home Secretary i...

The rights being removed under the exclusion orders are nowhere near the same as those being remo...

It is still a big deal to refuse a British passport holder access to the United Kingdom. It is a ...

It is a pleasure to participate in this debate and to follow the right hon. Member for Delyn (Mr ...

As the Member for Holborn and St Pancras, whose constituency and constituents experienced the bom...

Does my right hon. Friend think that this will lead to a whole cadre of virtually stateless peopl...

I understand my hon. Friend’s point. The whole proposition of exclusion orders seems to be predic...

The right hon. Gentleman seems to be in danger of attacking the idea that was originally presente...

I agree that the Government have modified their position since the first daft statements were mad...

If this measure does not succeed, what would my right hon. Friend say in response to the powerful...

That might be an improvement, but the practicalities of what happens in Turkey or Syria are not c...

I had not intended to speak today, but I have been sitting here getting rather more uncomfortable...

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

If my hon. Friend will permit me, I am coming to the end of my speech.

The level of secrecy...

I want to say a few words about the amendments tabled in my name. The tone of the debate has been...

I am trying to keep up with the hon. Lady. What are the circumstances that will make it impossibl...

I do not think that I am making assertions. I am asking questions about whether it will be possib...

The hon. Lady has referred a number of times to “exile” for the individuals concerned. We have to...

I thank the Home Secretary, and I accept that she is technically correct, but I am describing a s...

The right hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield (Mr Grieve), my right hon. Friend the Member f...

The right hon. Gentleman is a thoughtful and long-standing expert in this area, and he is right t...

I think I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his intervention, but none of that changes ...

Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that as well as the intelligence issue, the British people wa...

I was coming on to talk about the sorts of cases that we might be confronted with. If my remarks ...

I wonder whether, when the Home Secretary replies, she could make clear who, in relation to Syria...

I think I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his intervention, although I rather suspect it ...

I seek some clarity on clause 9 on pages 5 and 6.

We know of two young men who have left my...

I shall speak briefly because I know the Home Secretary is about to reply. Following the speech o...

My hon. Friend has already answered the question that I was going to ask, but I will make my poin...

Of course that is true. I have no truck with those who commit those barbaric acts, and nor does a...

That is a humbling thing. It is, however, a lamentable fact that my constituent Omar Hussain appe...

I have no support for ISIS whatsoever, and obviously that should apply to someone who has committ...

I am very much inclined to agree with what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but the problem is that ...

I would want that person to have some kind of treatment, or I would want measures of some kind to...

This has been a constructive and well-informed debate. Some Members have raised practical questio...

My point in illustrating those categories is that the hope is that the conditions attached to the...

I understand the point the right hon. Gentleman was making, and the intention is indeed that that...

If a person who had been made the subject of an order that had been deemed to have been served ca...

I was about to come on to the issue of serving the order. It is set out in the Bill that the fact...

This reminds me of one of my constituents. He went to Somalia and then went to Djibouti, where he...

As I have said, when it is impossible to serve an order on an individual in person, it is standar...

Can we be clear on this point? Clause 9(4) states that when a relevant notice

“has not actu...

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, but as I have just said to the right ho...

What makes some of us uneasy about temporary exclusion orders—I was certainly uneasy about them f...

They are subject to a form of legal redress; it is called judicial review. The debate has not bee...

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The hon. Gentleman is welcome to intervene again.

The judicial process comes afterwards, and it can be very complex for the individual concerned. W...

I remind the hon. Gentleman that the power to remove a passport from an individual—the royal prer...

Let us be clear: a judicial review is not an appeal; it is an examination of process. It is no mo...

The point is that there is a process in which the courts consider whether the decision by the Sec...